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    Advice needed for a Lao woman applying for a non Imm "O".

    So here's the story;

    Step son, wifes son, hooks up with a Lao girl who was in Thailand working in agriculture. Probably illegally.
    Relationship developed, girl moved in, sprog was born. Our granddaughter.
    Birth registered in Thailand. Granddaughter is Thai.
    But the mother is Laos and was here illegally.

    The grand daughter is now 3 years old.

    I decided to push things a bit and the mother now has a Lao ID card and a Lao Passport.

    Hooray, she no longer gets fined whenever she leaves the village.

    So, she's done a couple of 1 month visa hops but she really needs to get a Non Imm "O" based on having a Thai daughter to look after and support.

    We were in the Immigration office at the bridge in ChiangKong today and the officer there confirmed this.

    He also said she must got to Vientiane to get the Non Imm O.

    What he couldn't tell us was what documentation she'd need and as to whether or not her defacto partner, my step son, should go with her.

    I'm trying to find out what the best options are and will then confer with my wife and stepson as to how we're going to sort it out.

    What I'm really desperate to do is to ensure that the mother of my grand child is free to travel in Thailand and that she will not be confined to a very small village in the middle of nowhere. Such incarceration could well lead to a breakdown of the relationship, one or other of the couple losing the granddaughter, and a breakdown of the whole family, pain and suffering all round most importantly for the child.

    I'm happy to pay whatever it costs to resolve the situation. So far it's not been much to get the ID card and Passport sorted. Now we need to get the right visa.

    The Thai Embassy website for Vientiane is all in Thai and, embarrassing as it is, I still don't speak enough.

    So, if any of you fine folk have any experience in these issues your advice and suggestions will be gratefully received by us all.

    This is the one we're trying to protect;

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    The Thai Embassy website for Vientiane is all in Thai and, embarrassing as it is, I still don't speak enough.
    Get yer wife to read it and then call them to confirm any info.

    (+856 21) 214581-3


    Savannakhet is known to be easier for Non-O visas, so perhaps better to contact them first.

    Good luck, shouldn't be too difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    What I'm really desperate to do is to ensure that the mother of my grand child is free to travel in Thailand and that she will not be confined to a very small village in the middle of nowhere.
    If she has a Lao passport and is doing border runs, she enters with a PoS (Permission of Stay) stamp of 30, 60 or 90 days.

    Why is she confined to one area?

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    As she is a ASEAN citizen, proven with her Laos ID, why does she need a visa, surely she can go to any ASEAN country to work, no?

    I may be premature:

    "The ASEAN Economic Community (AEC) that will integrate the economies of the 10-member states will “transform ASEAN into a region with free movement of goods, services, investment, skilled labor, and freer flow of capital” which simply means the ASEAN will become one big single market and production base.”
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    The EC, it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    Get yer wife to read it and then call them to confirm any info.

    (+856 21) 214581-3


    Savannakhet is known to be easier for Non-O visas, so perhaps better to contact them first.

    Good luck, shouldn't be too difficult.
    Apparently Laotians must use the Vientiane Embassy.
    Though Savannakhet, which I've used myself a few times is certainly user friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    If she has a Lao passport and is doing border runs, she enters with a PoS (Permission of Stay) stamp of 30, 60 or 90 days.

    Why is she confined to one area?
    She isn't confined now that we've finally got her passport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    Apparently Laotians must use the Vientiane Embassy.
    Ahh.

    Sounds like you might have a nice family holiday up there soon enough.


    Good luck. I'd get the wife to get the info in Thai off the net, then call them to confirm while noting down the info and name and position of the person giving it. Then head on up there and talk to them in person and hopefully get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    As she is a ASEAN citizen, proven with her Laos ID, why does she need a visa, surely she can go to any ASEAN country to work, no?

    I may be premature:

    "The ASEAN Economic Community (AEC) that will integrate the economies of the 10-member states will “transform ASEAN into a region with free movement of goods, services, investment, skilled labor, and freer flow of capital” which simply means the ASEAN will become one big single market and production base.”

    That's exactly what I thought and hoped but it's not the case according to the local immigration officials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    , skilled labor,
    It's for degree holders in such sectors as IT, medical, etc.


    There was hope as the AEC was coming together that it would be for unskilled labor - bye bye useless Thai service staff and hello decent Filipino service staff. But, no, many member states stipulated that it would only be for skilled professionals in certain sectors. The crap Thai service staff keep their jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    It's for degree holders in such sectors as IT, medical, etc.

    Indeed. Not rice pickers and pomello pickers.

    She's a lovely girl, salt of the earth, a great mother and probably a loyal wife for the time being.
    My worry is that there's a certain attitude towards Lao folk from the local Thai folk.
    They seem to be seen as second class, second rate and there to be used and abused.
    Racism is alive and well in most societies but particularly in simple remote agrarian communities throughout the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    there's a certain attitude towards Lao folk
    Typically worse for Khmer and Burmese.


    The Thais never did get over them stealing their gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    They seem to be seen as second class,
    Not seem to be seen, they are seen as lower, secondary citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    bye bye useless Thai service staff and hello decent Filipino service staff. .
    Hello Sirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Have a nice day Sirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

    Be careful what you wish for. It'd drive you up the wall after a while.

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    Better than waiting 40 minutes to be given the wrong order, and then charged for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    Not seem to be seen, they are seen as lower, secondary citizens.
    Absolutely right.
    There are, amongst the immediate family, those that see her, the mother, to be simply a vessel that's been used and can now be abused till she goes.
    I don't want that to happen and my message is slowly getting through, I hope.
    Hence the effort to get her legal and imbued with a sense of worth and self.
    The step son is an intelligent educated young man and I think that now he knows I'm on their side he's supportive and involved.
    The elders and olders who have propagated this long held idea that the Laos are scum to be used and abused might be coming round.

    Well, in this particular case any way.

    Fingers crossed.

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    CJ, think you have a lot of problems sorting this out, first, a child born in Thailand by a Lao mother [unmarried] does not have a right to Thai citizenship.

    Child is a Lao citizen, until the father can prove otherwise, no wedding certificate, father could be anyone.

    It's also against the law in Lao to have a child out of wedlock [if you can believe it], so that could be problematic.

    Girl, from the sound of it, was in Thailand illegally, ergo breaking Thai immigration laws, if she is on the immigration computer, getting a long term visa could be difficult.

    Think your SIL needs to get legally married for a start and work up from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    CJ, think you have a lot of problems sorting this out, first, a child born in Thailand by a Lao mother [unmarried] does not have a right to Thai citizenship.

    Child is a Lao citizen, until the father can prove otherwise, no wedding certificate, father could be anyone.

    It's also against the law in Lao to have a child out of wedlock [if you can believe it], so that could be problematic.

    Girl, from the sound of it, was in Thailand illegally, ergo breaking Thai immigration laws, if she is on the immigration computer, getting a long term visa could be difficult.

    Think your SIL needs to get legally married for a start and work up from there.
    Hi Jim,

    Thanks, I think, for the input.

    As far as I know the document registering the childs birth here in Thailand testifies to the fact that the father is a Thai national and the mother a Lao national.
    I'm led to believe that the same document states that the child is a Thai national.

    I will recheck this ASAP

    Your point about marriage is well found and something I've been pushing for.
    Maybe time to up the anti.

    Thanks again, it's most helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    I'm led to believe that the same document states that the child is a Thai national.
    Start looking at getting the kid a Thai passport.

    I had all the docs ready to go for both a Thai passport and European passport by the time my kid was born.


    Obviously needs a Thai birth certificate and Thai parent with Thai ID card/passport and Tabien Baan.

    Good luck.


    If the kid gets that (Thai passport), look at then getting her a Lao one as well. The more options made available to her when older, the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    Start looking at getting the kid a Thai passport.

    I had all the docs ready to go for both a Thai passport and European passport by the time my kid was born.


    Obviously needs a Thai birth certificate and Thai parent with Thai ID card/passport and Tabien Baan.

    Good luck.


    If the kid gets that (Thai passport), look at then getting her a Lao one as well. The more options made available to her when older, the better.
    Very good points, well made, mate.

    We have Thai birth certificate and Thai parent with Thai ID card/passport and Tabien Baan.

    I'll get on it.

    Thank you.

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    Very welcome Sir.

    It's quite straight forward. Takes maybe an hour or two, going to a few different desks in the department for them to stamp and sign stuff, photograph her etc. Was around 1,000thb.



    Compared to getting the European one it was like peeling a banana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    We have Thai birth certificate and Thai parent with Thai ID card/passport and Tabien Baan.
    I forget now, it was a few years ago. The Thai parent might also need to bring their Thai birth certificate. Best to call ahead and ask. We did it in Chaeng Wattana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    Very welcome Sir.

    It's quite straight forward. Takes maybe an hour or two, going to a few different desks in the department for them to stamp and sign stuff, photograph her etc. Was around 1,000thb.



    Compared to getting the European one it was like peeling a banana.
    I'm sure you're right. It's a shame we live so far away.
    Never mind, the kids passport is essential I agree.
    It will be done. I'm not called Fluke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    I forget now, it was a few years ago. The Thai parent might also need to bring their Thai birth certificate. Best to call ahead and ask. We did it in Chaeng Wattana.
    We'll follow that up, mate. Thanks.

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    This may be way off as I have not done a border run in 26 years. But I read.. Why not just come into Thailand as normal. IE she is an English teacher. Then here in Thailand covert the tourist visa into the one you want. You then have the Thai system, language, and maybe some influence.

    What would be the difference of a Lao citizen changing a visa as compared to me an American is the bottom line. It would seem she has much more compelling reasons to stay than I would as a young buck Tefler... Plus if you have to apply a little grease it might be easier..

    You will have to come to BKK for this. I am close to immigration as I know Lulu is..

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