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    HELP Tod, filing a TM 30

    I am moving into a house an need change my certificate of residency
    new rental is owned by a Farang via a thai company
    SO i can provide
    1.copy of lease
    2. copy of taam bien bann
    3. BUT landlord is who??
    i suggested he give me a copy of the shareholders of the thai company
    and than a copy of one of the Thai shareholders ID card
    what do you think???
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    TM 30 isn't your problem. You can't be penalised for not reporting. It's the duty of the property owner.

    https://perfecthomes.co.th/tm030-registration-thailand/

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    Both have a duty, Prag. The owner to report a foreigner staying in his property (TM30), and the foreigner to provide the address he's staying.
    Last edited by Neverna; 03-01-2018 at 03:38 PM.

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    Since when has a tourist gone to immigration, after arriving, and reported the hotel he's staying in?

    it’s the owner that will be fined, so the overall responsibility is with the owner.
    The farang only has to show his address upon doing his 90 day report for the first time and confirming it thereafter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Since when has a tourist gone to immigration, after arriving, and reported the hotel he's staying in?
    He's not a tourist. On the reporting where you live front, for 12 years of 90 day reports I never changed my registered address from the condo I stayed in for my first 3 months. I assume the owners of places I rented notified the authorities when I moved in. No-one ever noticed any discrepancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    It's the duty of the property owner
    Correct. It can be done on line.

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    In response to PhuketRichard's query

    According to section 38 of the 1979 immigration act, "House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national." If there is no immigration office in the province or locality of the respective house or hotel, the notification is made to the local police station. In Bangkok the notification is made to the Immigration Bureau. The notification of residence of foreign nationals is made by the manager of licensed hotels according to the hotel act, owners of guesthouses, mansions, apartments and rented houses using the form TM. 30.
    The notification of residence of foreign nationals within 24 hours can be made in a number of ways to make the notification as convenient as possible:


    In person at the respective office, or
    Through an authorised person at the respective office, or
    By registered mail, or
    Via internet.



    Filling in the foreign national residence notification form (TM. 30)

    Please fill in all requested information according to the foreign national's passport, as often arriving passengers do not fill in the correct data on the arrival card. The form can be typed or handwritten in clear block letters. Leave a space between name, middle name, and surname.


    If the passport number is preceded or followed by a letter, fill in the letter too.

    Write the arrival card number (TM. 6) in the respective field. The arrival card is stapled into the passport. Both letters and numbers of the arrival card number must be filled in.

    Arrival date means the date of arrival in Thailand. Date of accommodation must be filled in on the front page of the notification sheet.

    After the officer in charge has verified the information on the notification sheet (TM. 30), he accepts the notification and hands over the lower part of the form to the person making the notification. This part must be kept for further checking.


    For details contact 0-2141-7881
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    Business licence or signed copy of business registration confirmation
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    Fill in the form provided by the officer (download)
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    I suggest people read the OP again. We have the usual TD thing of people responding to questions that nobody actually asked

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    He's not a tourist.
    I was generalising and not just referring to the OP's question. The OP is not a one off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Filling in the foreign national residence notification form (TM. 30)

    Please fill in all requested information according to the foreign national's passport, as often arriving passengers do not fill in the correct data on the arrival card.
    The above wording confirms the owner of the property has to file the farang staying at their abode.

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    The OP needs a certificate of residency and would like to know who his landlord actually is. Not sure what any of that has to do with a TM30.

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    A Certificate of Residency can be obtained from immigration but only if he's registered at that office. His landlord should have submitted a TM30 prior to him asking for a CoR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    A Certificate of Residency can be obtained from immigration but only if he's registered at that office. His landlord should have submitted a TM30 prior to him asking for a CoR.
    Yes. And he wants to know who his landlord is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phuketrichard View Post
    BUT landlord is who??
    A lot of drivel about reporting and the usual irrelevant cut n pastes whenever anyone asks an immi question is not going to help with that.

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    His landlord is the person who filed the TM30 for Christ sake. Not hard is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Yes. And he wants to know who his landlord is.



    A lot of drivel about reporting and the usual irrelevant cut n pastes whenever anyone asks an immi question is not going to help with that.
    Especially when the new "reply to quote" thing removes the previous (nested) quotes in a quoted post.

    Probably, the OP should describe the scenario rather than leaping to asking for some info that might not always be what they need.

    Cue deluge of bitty responses and a bit of forum tennis over some minute detail that's probably misunderstood by both interlocutors. Isn't there FAQ now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phuketrichard View Post
    BUT landlord is who??
    You will need Chanote or Title Deed to determine landowner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    In response to PhuketRichard's query



    Immigration Division 1

    Don't forget the Thailand factor. Reality might different to what the immigration website says.
    Perhaps in theory, yet not universally practiced.

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    ok, it's been determined that this is off topic from the OP's initial query, but regarding the TM 30....

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Correct. It can be done on line.
    do you have a link for that?

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    Everybody is off topic unless your name is Tod!

    HELP Tod


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    The OP needs a certificate of residency and would like to know who his landlord actually is. Not sure what any of that has to do with a TM30.
    What are u all about?? I have NEVER rented anywhere and had my landlord report meas living in their house an doubt anyone here that rents has

    The owner ( landlord??) is Farang, the taam bien baan has ONLY the Thai company listed on it ( no thais listed as living there)
    i think what i can do is get a copy of the Company docs showing Shareholders and than get the id's of one of the shareholders ( must be the same one signing my lease)

    Obviously, by these responses NONE of u all has done it this way.

    THE tm 30 is the Notification from house master. the bottom section is than cut off and placed in the Farangs passport.
    Usually this from is taken to immigration by the renter....( at least thats how its done in Phuket

    Thanks all for the misleading, unnecessary info not answering my OP :-)

    PS New ( well really old) rules are being enforced that whenever a person on a long term exteniosn leaves his residency ( be it staying in a hotel or leaving the country) he must report within 24 hours of returning home.
    Before, in Phuket if u DID NOT change ur residency u did not have to file a new report, NOW they are enforcing that you do have to file a new TM 30 again
    Last edited by Phuketrichard; 04-01-2018 at 10:13 AM.

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    Copy of rental contract is enough for the 90 day reporting.
    You don't need to prove that landlord has reported your presence as this should be automatic on the landlords part if they are used to renting to the white man.

    Only half arsed cowboy landlords/owners wouldn't bother doing this, which is highly likely in a cheap shit place. Its worth checking for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Pat View Post
    Copy of rental contract is enough for the 90 day reporting.
    You don't need to prove that landlord has reported your presence as this should be automatic on the landlords part if they are used to renting to the white man.

    Only half ared tinpot fly-by-night landlords/owners wouldn't bother doing this.
    90 day reporting is not the tm 30 which must be done, did u read my post above.
    and u dont need anything here in phuket but ur previous 90 day reporting paper in your passport


    NEVER ,nor do i know anyone living here, renting a house, that the landlord registered the tenet.

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    TBH, Richard, your OP is a bit confusing (it appears you don't really want a "certificate of residency"), hence the differing responses to the thread. Your last post isn't much better. A clearer OP would have got better responses. Just sayin', like, innit.

    One more thing, for next time, it's not "taam bien baan. It's "tabien baan/ta-bien baan".

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    Who's names are in the housebook for the property?

    In my experience, a signed copy of the housebook and a signed copy of the owner's ID card is enough for a private residential property, but that wasn't in Phuket so YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Who's names are in the housebook for the property?

    In my experience, a signed copy of the housebook and a signed copy of the owner's ID card is enough for a private residential property, but that wasn't in Phuket so YMMV.
    NONE. land paper is in Company's name, no thai names in Blue book

    In my experience, a signed copy of the housebook and a signed copy of the owner's ID card is enough for a private residential property


    CORRECT for ur experience..... BUT the owner is a company and the director is a Brit. NOT thai.
    if it was a thai I would not have asked anything here, as i know what is required.

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