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    Visa assistance/advice

    Hello all, I will apologise in advance as I am certain this question will have been asked and probably answered many times previously. I have had a trawl through the forum and to be completely honest I remain nothing less than confused as to what is the correct answer. I am sure the answer will be known by the majority on here as most will have been in the same or a similar position previously.

    I am currently on a 60 day visitor visa that I will extend for a further 30 days, I am residing with my girlfriend here. Once this visa expires I will return to Australia with my girlfriend for a period of time yet to be decided (will depend on her visa and visa type).

    The plan is to then return to Thailand with the intention of residing here. I am 46 years old and if possible would like to be able to obtain work of some form or another once we return here.

    Essentially my question is, what is the appropriate visa that will allow m to reside in Thailand for the foreseeable future and if possible also work?

    Thanks in advance and again I apologise to those that rolled their eyes and said "oh no not this again!"

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    As far as I know there are these.Ive lived here on a variety of marraige work and retirement visas all done myself no fees ever paid, there are corrupt money seasoning even dodgy stamps as at KL until cracjdown.I advise you strongly esp if you wish to settle go legal even if hassle until aged 50

    NB if oz passport holder read this
    http://www.apec.org/about-us/about-a...avel-card.aspx

    Fast and efficient travel for business people within the APEC region contributes to APEC's goal of free and open trade and investment. To this end APEC has created an APEC Business Travel Card (ABTC). The ABTC allows business travelers pre-cleared, facilitated short-term entry to participating member economies.

    Until 50

    1 Marry a Thai simple then 400,ooobahts in bank cA$16,000 of course marrying is hardly a good reason to straddle visa stuff
    3 Get a job on the few areas legal for foreigners typically Int contrac hire or TEFL teacher
    4 Become a monk
    5 Elite card but a costly way if money no problem
    Visa Privilege & Immigration Service
    6 Become a missionary and many other arcane rare routes
    7 NO agent or lawyer can do any more than you can legally do.

    If content to spend only half time here you can bounce around on visa runs holidays in Oz or nearby but dpends on cash and whether you need support partners costs visas

    After 50 retirement so called basically 800,ooo bahtA$32 in bank or 65k baht verified incomei.

    All such stuff is at their discretion see

    http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004...?page=download

    Read all of this
    http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908

    good luck written in good faith but practice varies between consuls emabssies and local offices although the laws are the same, if you have the cash there's always a way
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    Quote Originally Posted by idareu View Post
    Essentially my question is, what is the appropriate visa that will allow m to reside in Thailand for the foreseeable future and if possible also work?
    A non-immigrant B visa will allow you to work. You will have to get a job/job offer before getting the visa. No job or job offer, no non-imm B visa, so you won't be able to get the visa in order to "maybe" get a job if you feel like it at some point. The visa will be valid for 3 months, to be extended afterwards, usually for a year.

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    Types of Visas

    1. TRANSIT VISA
    1. Requirement: This type of visa is issued to applicants who wish to enter the Kingdom for the following purposes :
    to travel in transit through the Kingdom in order to proceed to the country of destination or to re-enter his/her own country (category "TS")
    to participate in sports activities (sportsmen, sportswomen, etc.)(category "S") ***
    the person in charge or crew of a conveyance coming to a port, station or area in the Kingdom (category "C")
    *** Those who are scheduled to stay in the Kingdom longer than one month , Non-Immigrant Visa category “O” can be issued to them
    2. Documents Required
    Passport or travel document with validity not less than 6 months
    Visa application form completely filled out
    Recent( 4 x 6 cm.) photograph of the applicant
    Evidence of travel from Thailand (confirmed air ticket paid in full)
    Evidence of adequate finance (20,000 Baht per person and 40,000 Baht per family)
    Visa of a third country in a passport or travel document
    Letter of invitation stating the application's participation in sports activities in the Kingdom
    Consular officers reserve the rights to request additional documents as deemed necessary
    3. Visa Fee: 800 Baht per entry
    (Visa fee may be changed without prior notice)
    4. Validity of Visa: The validity of a visa is three months.
    5. Period of Stay: Travellers coming to Thailand with this type of visa will be permitted to stay in the Kingdom for a period not exceeding 30 days.
    6. Extension of Stay: Those who wish to stay longer or may wish to change their type of visa must file an application for permission at the Office of Immigration Bureau located on Soi Suan Plu, off South Sathorn Road, Bangkok 10120 , Tel 02 287-3101-10 (or at Immigration Bureau Website ). The extension of stay as well as the change of certain type of visa is solely at the discretion of the Immigration officer.
    7. Additional Requirements: Nationals of certain countries are required to apply for a visa only at the Thai Embassy or Consulate-General in their home/residence country or at the designated Thai Embassy. Thereford, travellers are advised to contact the nearest Thai Embassy or Consulate-General to find out where they may apply for a visa to Thailand before departure.

    2. TOURIST VISA
    1. REQUIREMENT: This type of visa is issued to applicants who wish to enter the Kingdom for tourism purposes .
    2. DOCUMENTS REQUIRED
    - Passport or travel document with validity not less than 6 months
    - Visa application form completely filled out
    - Recent( 4 x 6 cm.) photograph of the applicant
    - Evidence of travel from Thailand (air ticket paid in full)
    - Evidence of adequate finance (10,000 Baht per person and 20,000 Baht per family)
    - Consular officers reserve the rights to request additional documents as deemed necessary
    3. VISA FEE
    1,000 Baht per entry
    (Visa fee may be changed without prior notice)
    4. VALIDITY OF A VISA
    The validity of a visa is 3 months or 6 months.
    5. PERIOD OF STAY
    Upon arrival, travellers with this type of visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for a period of not exceeding 30 days or 60 days.
    Nationals of countries which are on Thailand’s Tourist Visa Exemption list or have bilateral agreements on visa exemption with Thailand will be permitted to stay for a period of not exceeding 60 days. Nationals from other countries who hold a tourist visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for a period of not exceeding 30 days.
    6. EXTENSION OF STAY
    Those who wish to stay longer or may wish to change their type of visa must file an application for permission at the Office of Immigration Bureau in Samut Prakan. If they are in Bangkok, they should go to the Immigration Bureau in Chaeng Wattana: Government Center Chaeng Wattana Building B, Nr. 120, Moo 3, ChaengWattana Road Soi 7, Tung Song Hong Subdistrict, Laksi, Bangkok 10210. The extension of stay as well as the change of certain type of visa is solely at the discretion of the Immigration officer..
    7. ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS
    Nationals of certain countries are required to apply for a visa only at the Thai Embassy or Consulate-General in their home/residence country or at the designated Thai Embassy. Therefor, travellers are adivised to contact the nearest Thai Embassy or Consulate-General to find out where they may apply for a visa to Thailand before departure.
    Information on lacation and contact number of all Thai Embassies and Consulates-General is available at /web/10.php

    3. NON-IMMIGRANT VISA
    1. REQUIREMENT
    This type of visa is issued to applicants who wish to enter the Kingdom for the following purposes:
    - to perform official duties (Category "F")
    - to conduct business / to work (Category "B")
    - to invest with the concurrence of the Thai Ministries and Government Departments concerned (Category "IM")
    - to invest or perform other activities relating to investment, subject to the provision of the established laws on investment promotion (Category "IB")
    - to study, to come on a work study tour or observation tour , to participate in projects or seminars , to attend a conference or training course , to study as a foreign Buddhist monk (Category "ED")
    - to work as a film-producer, journalist or reporter (Category "M")
    - to perform missionary work or other religious activities with the concurrence of the Thai Ministries or Government Departments concerned (Category "R")
    - to conduct scientific research or training or teaching in a research institute (Category "RS")
    - to undertake skilled work or to work as an expert or specialist (Category "EX")
    - other activities (Category "O") as follows:
    to stay with the family, to perfrom duties for the state enterprise or social welfare organizations, to stay after retirement for the elderly, to receive medical treatment, to be a sport coach as required by Thai Government, to be a contestant or witness for the judicial process.
    2. DOCUMENTS REQUIRED
    2.1 The applicants must submit the following relevant documents depending on the purpose of their visit.
    - Visa application form completely filled out
    - Passport or travel document with validity not less than 6 months. The validity of 18 months is required for one year visa application.
    - (4 x 6 cm) protograph of the applicant, taken within the past six months
    - Evidence of adequate finance ( 20,000 Baht per person and 40,000 Baht per family )
    - Birth Certificate ("O")
    - Certifcate of Marriage or its equivalents ("O")
    - Transcript / Letter of acceptance from the concerned schools/universities or institutes ("ED")
    - Letter from Thailand's Board of Investment. ("IB")
    - Official Note certifying the purpose of travel from the Government Agencies /Embassies and Consulates / International Organizations / State Enterprises inThailand. ("F" / "B" / "ED" / "M" / "R") - Letter of approval from the Ministry of Labour (To obtain this letter, the prospective employer in Thailand is required to submit Form WP3 at the Office of Foreign Workers Administration, Department of Employment, Ministry of Labour Tel 02-2452745, 02-2453209 or at a Provincial Employment Office in the respective province. Further information is available at www.doe.go.th/workpermit/index.html) ("B")
    - Letter from a company stating the objective of the visit to Thailand ("B")
    - Document showing correspondence with trading partners in Thailand. ("B") - Letter of invitation from companies qualified to employ foreigners. ("B")
    - Employment contract indicating rationale for employing the applicant as well as his/her salary, position and qualifications (document must be signed by authorized managing director and affixed the seal of the company) ("B")
    - Copy of Work Permit issued by the Ministry of Labour (only in case the applicant has previously worked in the Kingdom ) ("B")
    - Copy of corporate documents; namely 1) list of shareholders 2) business registration and business license 3) company profile 4) details of business operation 5) list of foreign workers stating names, nationalities and positions 6) map indicating the location of the company 7) Balance sheet, statement of Income Tax and Business Tax (Por Ngor Dor 50 and Por Ngor Dor 30) of the latest year 8) Alien income tax return (Por Ngor Dor 91) and 9) Value-added tax registration (Por Ngor Dor 20) , etc.("B")
    - Copy of educational records of the applicant and letters of recommendation from the prior employers, identifying job description and length of service time. ("B")
    - Document indicating the number of foreign tourists (for tourism business only) ,or document indicating export transactions issued by banks (for export business only)("B")
    2.2 The document to be submitted for non-immigrant visa application is contingent upon necessities and appropriateness of purposes stated in the application form.
    2.3 Consular officers reserve the rights to request additional documents as deemed necessary.
    2.4 Copies of company documents must be signed by Board of Directors and affixed the seal of the company.
    2.5 In the absence of a required document, a letter explaining the unavailability of such document must be provided.
    2.6 The applicant must sign on each page of the copy.
    2.7 Documents in foreign languages must be translated into Thai. If translated into English, it should be notarized by notary organs or the applicant’s diplomatic/ consular mission.
    3. VISA FEE
    2,000 Baht for single entry and 5,000 Baht for multiple entries.
    4. VALIDITY OF A VISA
    Single-entry and multiple-entry visas are valid for three months. Multiple-entry visas could also be valid for one year.
    5. PERIOD OF STAY
    The holders of this type of visa are initially granted a period of stay in the Kingdom not exceeding 90 days unless otherwise instructed by the Office of Immigration Bureau.
    6. EXTENSION OF STAY
    Those qualified persons can obtain an additional one year stay permit counting from the date of entry in the Kingdom pertaining to the Office of the Immigration Bureau's regulations on extension of stay. The extension of stay is at the discretion of the Immigration officer.
    N.B. Applicants wishing to stay in the Kingdom longer than 90 days have to file their application either at the Thai consular mission aboard or at the Office of Immigration Bureau in Bangkok located on Soi Suan Plu, off South Sathorn Road,Bangkok 10120 , Tel 02 287-3101-10 (or website at (http://www.immgration.go.th ) . The consular officer must refer the case to the Office of Immigration Bureau for approval. Upon receiving approval, the consular officer may issue the visa as instructed by the Bureau
    7. ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS
    Nationals of certain countries are required to apply for a visa only at the Thai Embassy or Consulate-General in their home/residence country or at the designated Thai Embassy. Therefore, travellers are advised to contact the nearest Thai Embassy or Consulate-General to find out where they may apply for a visa to Thailand before departure.
    Information on lacation and contact number of Thai Embassies and Consulates-General is available at /web/10.php

    4. DIPLOMATIC / OFFICIAL VISA
    - Upon official request, Thai Embassies and Consulates-General may grant visas to diplomatic or official passport-holders who wish to assume duties at a foreign Diplomatic Mission or Consulate or International Organization in the Kingdom and to their family members.
    - Supporting documents are Note Verbal and/or documents issued by the foreign government or international organization, certifying the identity of the person concerned and his/her purposes while residing in the Kingdom.

    5. COURTESY VISA
    - Upon official request, Thai Embassies and Consulates-General may grant courtesy visas to diplomatic/official/ordinary passport-holders who wish to enter the Kingdom on official duty and/or other purposes.
    - Supporting documents are documents issued by the governmental agency, foreign government or international organization, certifying the identity of the person concerned and his/her purposes while visiting the Kingdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    The visa will be valid for 3 months
    not to nitpick pretty sure my was 90 days which may be relevant if booking tickets

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    The visa will be valid for 3 months
    not to nitpick pretty sure my was 90 days which may be relevant if booking tickets
    90 days, yes.

    Not to nit-pick, David, but don't forget he wants to stay in Thailand (return to Thailand with the intention of residing here) and possibly work so tourist visas and transit visas are irrelevant, as are visas for retirement and, I would guess, diplomatic staff.


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    david44, how about posting your opinion, rather than cut-n-pasting material which anyone can data mine off the inter-web? Some of that stuff you posted is WAY outdated information; like where it says you get extensions at Soi Suan Plu on South Sathorn, which we haven't done in 5+ years in Bangkok!!!

    Unfortunately for the O/P his choices are some what limited.. He doesn't say where he's gonna live once he gets here either and that can further limit his options visa-wise

    I'd say, IF the O/P wants to maximize their stay here BEFORE they've found a job, or decided if they want to go the ED visa route studying thai or any of the things an ED visa lets you study, he should apply for the 6 month METV (multi-entry, touris visa) when he's back in Oz.. He needs to apply for it as close to the time he's returning to the glorious "Land 'o Thaiz" to maximize the visa.

    That visa is good for 6 months from the date it's issued, gives the person unlimited entries/exits into thailand for that period with each entry getting a 60 day permission to stay stamp. When the 60 days are up, the holder would "border-bounce" (stamp out of thailand, stamp into and out of another country and stamp back into thailand) to get another 60 day stamp. If you time your dates correctly you can pull almost 9 months out of that visa, (by extending the final 60 day stamp by the additional 30 days at your local immigration office.

    I don't think holding an APEC card is really gonna give the O/P much "bang-4-the-baht". The thai elite card program is definitely a good way to go, if they can swing it. The lowest price point of 500K baht does give FIVE - 1 year visas with unlimited entries/exits into the country. I believe over the 5 years it works out to just under 300baht a day.

    As the initial post of the O/P is a little sketchy about the time they're gonna spend in Oz, and when they're intending to come back I'd say they should weigh in closer to their return date to see if anything changed visa-wise..

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    Sorry to have posted and then disappeared!\

    Thanks for the advice so far, Todd what you have posted is probably more of what I am after, unfortunately everything is so far up in the air it continues to change. So I'll try to provide what answers that I think I can.

    Currently the plan is I will return to Oz later this year, the lovely girlfriend will be coming with me, at this stage hopefully on a student visa as there is an excellent course she would like to complete that is available back home. Once that course is completed we would then like to return to Thailand to take up our residence. At this stage we will not be married but it is certainly part of the plan and has been openly discussed. We wouldn't get married until we return to Thailand as her family are very traditional and I wouldn't want to take that day away from her and her Mum.

    In regards to where will we reside, well that's a tough one, initial thoughts are we would buy a block of land from her mother and build our home on that, if that was the case we would reside in Uttaradit. Part of me really likes that idea as I like a simple life, I have moved myself past wanting most of the "materialistic" things of back home and am looking to wind myself back after what has been to date a very busy and demanding career. People are likely to say "you'll go mad up there, there is nothing there!" but that is part of the appeal. The land fronts the Nan River and has quite a pleasant outlook, her family are very good and I enjoy spending time with them too. That said a part of me completely contradicts that train of thought and would prefer to live somewhere like Hua Hin or similar where there is still a farang population and, most likely, a better chance of finding a more appealing job. In my opinion if we end up in Uttaradit I can only see myself purchasing and operating a business. Any decisions regarding the purchasing of the land or a house would ony be undertaken once we have married, not prior.

    The METV sounds like a logical choice from what you have explained, I'm sure the Thai Elite card is a sound option but I don't want to drop anywhere near that amount of coin on a visa(s). The issuance of my Thai visa for this trip was done overnight, I assume the same could be achieved for the METV?

    With this information does that change my options? If you marry a Thai are you still restricted to having to border bounce or return home all the time?

    Thanks again everyone and apologies for my tardiness

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    For your first foray back to thailand after you and your significant thai other spend time in Oz, I'd say the METV gives you the most time with the least hassle until you find out what you're really gonna do.

    Once you figure that out and decide if/when you want to get married, a yearly extension of stay based on marriage to a thai national will provide you a year in country (with NO border bounces). It's also the type of extension that should you find work you can pull a work permit off too.

    Just so you know, that "dog-n-pony-show" thai wedding party, replete with the 9 mumbling monks, the food, the alcohol, the party the showing the "sin-sod" etc DOESN'T mean you're married at all.

    You get married legally in thailand at the local Amphur (city hall).. I know a TON of people who've done the village wedding thinkin' they're 'married' but can't get extensions of stay based on marriage because they aren't married legally.

    You're still quite a ways off from knowing what you're gonna do here or even knowing when it is you're comin' back long term..

    Anymore questions, ask away. Good Luck..

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    Reading that recent post is really quite depressing, isn't it?

    The buying land from his friend's mother and building on it was quite a hoot.

    The best solution is to build a property now in the boonies and settle his g/f's family into a business which they can bleed dry while the OP stays in OZ but visits every couple of months. He should also buy a pick-up for them if he hasn't done so already.

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    Oh lord.

    Where to start...

    How about do not 'buy' land off your wife's relatives.

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    Methinks twill not end well.

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    Then again, good luck to the bloke.

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    Of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    Oh lord. Where to start...
    A few links to threads here my educate him, the good and the bad. Visas are a requirement but are nothing to the heartache he may be heading for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    Methinks twill not end well.
    Considering he hasn't stated his or his GFs situation at all on what do you base that statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo
    Considering he hasn't stated his or his GFs situation at all on what do you base that statement?
    The ideas and intentions he's outlined so far, obviously.
    I also wished him the best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    Methinks twill not end well.
    Considering he hasn't stated his or his GFs situation at all on what do you base that statement?
    Oh dear, have you suffered a stroke recently or some other debilitating event which has evidently diminished your already modest intellect?

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    Non-Imm F-O might suffice.


    For being F(ucked) O(ver)


    It's for those that are going to be F-O'd here. 90 day single entry and 12 month multi-entry versions available. May I suggest the 90 day single entry version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    Methinks twill not end well.
    Considering he hasn't stated his or his GFs situation at all on what do you base that statement?
    Oh dear, have you suffered a stroke recently or some other debilitating event which has evidently diminished your already modest intellect?
    Calm down you pompous old queen.

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    Single entry romance may be the way to go.

    However our sincere punter is beyond the point of no efund I fear

    Apologies linky old but supplied this year by imm liason , the rules are written but interpreted differently up country .

    Folks told me you cannot have 2 active live visas in a passpoert until I showed em

    His only real issue and interval between reality checks beyond LOS,
    If you can afford not to work after 50 you can alnmost certainly find a legal way to way to stay

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    Thank you to those that have provided an insight into my intellect and my ability to assess and comprehend a situation. Fair to say there have been a few assumptions made, or read into my post, not sure what they were but apparently I'm a pussy struck ignorant fool about to part with everything I own.

    I appreciate your assistance and your advice, especially in regards to my initial question on the thread.

    Not everyone in a relationship with a Thai struck it up whilst bar hopping on a bender. I am exploring my options, I am considering each of the different facts and what will work for me and for her.

    Excuse me now whilst I head over to the real estate pages to search for some property to bequeath to her family, To save me some time, does anyone have a reference to a stand up car salesman? I need to buy a pick up truck

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    ^You will do well if you keep that attitude, in Thailand as well as this forum. Welcome to the madhouse.

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    Look, if it is indeed her mother's land then the proper form is for the old biddy to give it to her as part of her legacy. Sin sod will have to be paid but forking out for land on which to build your matrimonial home paying the mother is nothing more than a fucking scam.
    Clearly, you do not have your wits about you, otherwise you would not have posted such a naive account on a forum such as this.

    Have you tried exploring the comments page on Lonely Planet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by idareu View Post
    I am considering each of the different facts and what will work for me and for her.
    I think it'd behoove you to think much more about what will work for you, living next to your mother-in-law in a one buffalo village up in Nakhon Nowhere. I wouldn't put much thought into what'll work for your thai g/f and the unruly mob of in-laws & out-laws which comprise most extended thai families here. She'll adapt, cope with what ever you decide to do or she won't and you'll have cut your losses early on.

    In thai there's a saying about taming buffaloes. First they สนตะพาย (sŏn dtà-paai) put the rope thru a hole in their nose. Then even the most stubborn buffalo can be จูงจมูก (joong jà-mòok) lead by the nose. All to many white buffaloes (foreigners) here are complacently led by their noses here by their thai significant others.

    Plan your work, then work your plan. Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see, and above all don't trust the thais, and trust the foreigners here less!! If you follow those words 'o wisdom and you just might make it. <- "just might" are the operative words in that last sentence..

    Sincerely good luck to you.

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