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    Leave her cot? Did he marry Benjamin Button's sister or something?


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    Not a bad idea Bobcock. Will your wife be able to leave the her cot to join you?

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    Just how old you you buffoons think my wife is?

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    Just a follow up post. So, the missus arrived with my daughter just before Christmas 2016 on a visiting visa for 6 months. I arrived earlier in mid Sept. Finding a job here has proved much more frustrating than I'd anticipated. I'm still yet to secure a role.

    I'm currently in the position where my wife and daughter have to go back to Bangkok in June to apply for the settlement visa, however I don't yet have a job to show proof of minimum earnings of 22,400 or have 63,000 in a saving account for the last 6 months in the UK.

    My experience of trying to find a 'proper' job here has been met with "so, the business development and building businesses in Bangkok experiences are great. But, what have you done here in the UK?". My internal dialogue "It's different how?!...Oh, you mean much easier as I speak this language and understand this cultural fully!".

    Long and short, I somehow feel like I'm being penalised for doing something outside my own country. I'm still trying to work out if it's part jealousy on the employers/hiring person I'm meeting with, or some kind of defensive position they're adopting. Or in some cases it may be a legitimate thing that I may be unable to do business here in the country in which I was born - I'm not applying for anything that I don't have industry specific experience for.

    I've must have applied for well over 200+ jobs now and haven't yet landed anything after almost 4 months. Some of the people here will know my background exactly, some will know a little. Briefly, in the 15 years I spent in Bangkok 10 years were spent working in recruitment hiring for some of the biggest global companies. - I'm no stranger to interviews. The other 5 years I ran my own digital advertising company in which I sold my shares in order to return to England to educate my daughter. For those who may ask, why not put the money you got from selling your shares into a bank account in England, well, I didn't get 63,000 for them, and if I had, the money would still have to be in a UK account for 6 months.

    I'm putting this here, in a rather garbled way, for my own therapeutic needs, as I anticipate some decent advice, and the rest to be the usual trolls.
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    I suggest that a change in your passport is in order - Indian or Muslim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Lennon View Post
    I suggest that a change in your passport is in order - Indian or Muslim?
    Yes, get a Muslim passport.

    Really not the sharpest pixel on the screen are you, Johnny boy?


    As for experience in the UK being strongly preferred to experience in Thailand, and the job market being highly competitive...how is either of those things surprising?

    Good luck with it, mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filch
    I'm still trying to work out if it's part jealousy on the employers/hiring person I'm meeting with
    I suspect so. You are obviously bold and well traveled, so not necessarily grist for the mill.

    If you want to go back into recruitment I may have some company info but I gather they are more boiler room type recruitment. But maybe that is the way the industry has gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    Good luck with it, mind.
    Thanks. I'll keep plugging away.

    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal
    If you want to go back into recruitment
    Not particularly Neal. My experience of speaking with/using recruiters here has been woeful. Being an ex recruiter myself, the lack of professionalism, inability to read a simple CV or do the slightest bit of work beyond simply flinging a CV that has the right job title on it has been shocking. Of the 15+ recruiters I've dealt with only 2 have actually met me face to face!

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    and the rest to be the usual trolls.
    you rang ??

    "so, the business development and building businesses in Bangkok experiences are great. But, what have you done here in the UK?".
    thailands reputation in the UK is , well do i really need to spell it out?

    the country is regarded as a third world destination with low standards in just about everything related to work and business.... and more besides, basically it is an irrelevance on the world stage, and hence the calibre of westerners who work there becomes tarred with the same brush.

    I'm still trying to work out if it's part jealousy on the employers/hiring person I'm meeting with,
    jealousy of what exactly? that by working in thailand for 15 years you have more or less put your career on hold for 15 years.

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    Smeg will orgasm himself to death if he reads post #28.


    Anyway, good luck Filch, hope it all works out for ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    the country is regarded as a third world destination with low standards in just about everything related to work and business
    Which is simply wrong. I wasn't trading conch shells.

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    you have more or less put your career on hold for 15 years.
    How so? I would say pitching and winning business with clients like Nestle, Campbell Food, PKF, KPMG, Intel and working on both recruitment and digital advertising projects etc... is no different in Bangkok as it would be here. If anything, I'd say my time in Bangkok elevated me to a much higher position than I'd would have attained in the same length of time here in the UK. In Bangkok I was dealing with C level decision makers and heads of industry. I fail to see your 'career on hold' case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi
    good luck Filch, hope it all works out for ya.
    Cheers Luigi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filch
    I'd say my time in Bangkok elevated me to a much higher position than I'd would have attained in the same length of time here in the UK. In Bangkok I was dealing with C level decision makers and heads of industry.
    But the proof of the pudding appears to be in the eating.
    Does it?
    in the cooking ?

    I don't know, but the fact remains, you're not getting jobs in the UK in your chosen field so, obviously, your time in LOS means nothing.

    I feel for you.

    Good luck in the future.

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    So the stumbling block is not having a job paying 22,500 per year? Getting a job earning that amount is not a problem, even if it's something you don't like just look at it as a means to an end then jack it in and go do something you want to when the misses safely arrives on her settlement visas. To break it down 22.5k is roughly 400 a week or 10 p/h for a 40 hour week, you'll get that labouring on a building site or driving a 7.5T truck. Maybe shit jobs but as I said just a means to an end only have to do it for 3-6 months, get the visa sorted then happy days.
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    How so? I would say pitching and winning business with clients like Nestle, Campbell Food, PKF, KPMG, Intel and working on both recruitment and digital advertising projects etc... is no different in Bangkok as it would be here. If anything, I'd say my time in Bangkok elevated me to a much higher position than I'd would have attained in the same length of time here in the UK. In Bangkok I was dealing with C level decision makers and heads of industry. I fail to see your 'career on hold' case.


    do you really think that 15 years working experience in bkk is equivalent to 15 years in london or frankfurt or paris?

    ones perceptions of ones abilities rarely matches the reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    How so? I would say pitching and winning business with clients like Nestle, Campbell Food, PKF, KPMG, Intel and working on both recruitment and digital advertising projects etc... is no different in Bangkok as it would be here. If anything, I'd say my time in Bangkok elevated me to a much higher position than I'd would have attained in the same length of time here in the UK. In Bangkok I was dealing with C level decision makers and heads of industry. I fail to see your 'career on hold' case.


    do you really think that 15 years working experience in bkk is equivalent to 15 years in london or frankfurt or paris?

    ones perceptions of ones abilities rarely matches the reality.
    I'll agree with this as my old man was a chartered quantity surveyor and he started working overseas (far East) in the late seventies and he tried to return in the nineties but no one was interested even though he'd been working on $billion projects for Sumitomo for over a decade, so thought fuk this and returned back to the far East.

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    I fail to see your 'career on hold' case.

    I've must have applied for well over 200+ jobs now and haven't yet landed anything after almost 4 months.

    to me it seems obvious.

    perhaps a little humility and some reassessment is in order if you are to achieve the honourable and worthwhile goal of uniting your family in an advanced and civilised society after 15 years in thailand, during which most peoples reality is in a permanent state of distortion.

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    I went exactly same route - the mrs and kids came over here in December 2014 on a tourist visa, returned to Thailand in June so we could apply for the settlement - and six long months later they finally arrived back after a huge, huge, amount of faffing and fucking about with reams of paperwork.

    My kids were four & five when they came over here, so, although they'd already been brought up in a totally different culture, it wasn't long at all before they melded into GREAT BRITISH (read, boring as fuck and dark and expensive) society and will now take a plate of ham, egg and chips over a bowl of rice soup any day of the week, thanks all the same, peasant.

    What I'm trying to say is that if your daughter is still under the age of five or six, or seven at a push, then you have time and can make this work. Stick with it and bow your head against the surge of stiff-upper lips and general twattish type people who seem to populate this little country in alarming numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    do you really think that 15 years working experience in bkk is equivalent to 15 years in london or frankfurt or paris?
    Yes and no. Yes to the extent the the individual decision makers I deal are essentially the same people. No in the sense that it's much harder working in Bangkok as opposed those other countries due to a difference in having to almost micromanage every aspect of what you've promised to deliver.

    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    So the stumbling block is not having a job paying 22,500 per year?
    That's exactly right, and I may be finding myself doing exactly as you suggested given my time constraints. I do have a few issues with going down the 'getting any old job' path however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somtamslap
    Stick with it
    Tiz' all one can do.

    Quote Originally Posted by somtamslap
    and bow your head against the surge of stiff-upper lips and general twattish type people who seem to populate this little country in alarming numbers.
    Always more of a culture shock coming back to this fair little isle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    do you really think that 15 years working experience in bkk is equivalent to 15 years in london or frankfurt or paris?
    Yes and no. Yes to the extent the the individual decision makers I deal are essentially the same people. No in the sense that it's much harder working in Bangkok as opposed those other countries due to a difference in having to almost micromanage every aspect of what you've promised to deliver.

    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    So the stumbling block is not having a job paying 22,500 per year?
    That's exactly right, and I may be finding myself doing exactly as you suggested given my time constraints. I do have a few issues with going down the 'getting any old job' path however.
    As I said it's just a case of swallowing your pride for a means to an end, 6 months doing a shit job and your misses and kid get to the UK, if no other option I wouldn't even think twice about it. All I can say is thank fuk I did it back in 2008 from Thailand as you didn't need to be resident in the UK with a job back then, when myself, misses and kid landed in the UK all together I personally hadn't set foot in the UK for over 7 years.

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    Taking a crap job for 22.5k p/a for 6 months might well be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by filch View Post
    Just a follow up post. So, the missus arrived with my daughter just before Christmas 2016 on a visiting visa for 6 months. I arrived earlier in mid Sept. Finding a job here has proved much more frustrating than I'd anticipated. I'm still yet to secure a role.

    I'm currently in the position where my wife and daughter have to go back to Bangkok in June to apply for the settlement visa, however I don't yet have a job to show proof of minimum earnings of 22,400 or have 63,000 in a saving account for the last 6 months in the UK.

    My experience of trying to find a 'proper' job here has been met with "so, the business development and building businesses in Bangkok experiences are great. But, what have you done here in the UK?". My internal dialogue "It's different how?!...Oh, you mean much easier as I speak this language and understand this cultural fully!".

    Long and short, I somehow feel like I'm being penalised for doing something outside my own country. I'm still trying to work out if it's part jealousy on the employers/hiring person I'm meeting with, or some kind of defensive position they're adopting. Or in some cases it may be a legitimate thing that I may be unable to do business here in the country in which I was born - I'm not applying for anything that I don't have industry specific experience for.

    I've must have applied for well over 200+ jobs now and haven't yet landed anything after almost 4 months. Some of the people here will know my background exactly, some will know a little. Briefly, in the 15 years I spent in Bangkok 10 years were spent working in recruitment hiring for some of the biggest global companies. - I'm no stranger to interviews. The other 5 years I ran my own digital advertising company in which I sold my shares in order to return to England to educate my daughter. For those who may ask, why not put the money you got from selling your shares into a bank account in England, well, I didn't get 63,000 for them, and if I had, the money would still have to be in a UK account for 6 months.

    I'm putting this here, in a rather garbled way, for my own therapeutic needs, as I anticipate some decent advice, and the rest to be the usual trolls.
    filch, if you are posting that many applications off, then that might indicate part of the problem: they might be too generic and "so what"-ish.

    I don't want to come across like I'm an expert or patronising, so I'll try to tread sensitively, as I've been through this for myself and puying. This is just my idea:

    I think it's really important that you define yourself as a brand more deeply.What I mean by that is, rather than say "I'm an x, and can do a, b, and c" I would actually narrow down on a very specific field of work that you want to do, and reassemble your CV and "story" to show that that's what you have always done or wanted to do, and that's who you are as a worker. An employer wants to hire with confidence that the person is confident in doing what they do, and committed to doing it well and for a decent length of time, so that there's some stability there. I think you need to have a fully developed story to tell them, one that is convincing and memorable.

    So this process would involve interrogating yourself to whittle down your job or career parameters to what you want or need as criteria, and then what the medium and longer term plan is for your career, to help you fend off those tedious unimaginitive competency-based questions they tend to throw at you. Then you could search and collect job adverts and what things they need or want, and do a bit of reading around to get a sense of what is hot or not in terms of skills and experience in that area. Then start building your profile (and maybe filling in any gaps) to depict yourself as fitting this imagined job, and put together a LinkedIn thing, and put all the nice keywords in. Make a nice simple 1-side CV packing in your "spec" of yourself, and generate a cover letter template, that you can amend to match a job and company... try this site for tips on structure: https://www.kent.ac.uk/careers/cv/coveringletters.htm
    Burrow down into that detail that only your experience can show... avoid the generic stuff that anyone can say. I've done things in interviews that I'm surprised others are surprised about, in terms of show and tell (nothing biblical, mind ;p ).
    Audition for the job, don't let them interview you: drive the questions and the dialogue; there are some great killer questions you can throw at people, but they are wasted on recruitment monkeys.
    Leave recruitment consultants alone completely, and start researching companies that do the thing you want to do, where you want to do it, and learn them. Approach them directly, either website or even knock on the door.

    I think whatever you do in life, you are always a contractor, and you need to have a living portfolio, and a convincing career narrative for your show and tell.
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    ...maybe they see you as "passed your selby date" and are looking for a spotty faced virgin. just saying ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    How so? I would say pitching and winning business with clients like Nestle, Campbell Food, PKF, KPMG, Intel and working on both recruitment and digital advertising projects etc... is no different in Bangkok as it would be here. If anything, I'd say my time in Bangkok elevated me to a much higher position than I'd would have attained in the same length of time here in the UK. In Bangkok I was dealing with C level decision makers and heads of industry. I fail to see your 'career on hold' case.


    do you really think that 15 years working experience in bkk is equivalent to 15 years in london or frankfurt or paris?
    It depends. It certainly didn't do me any harm, or any of the other people I know on the expat circuit who returned to the UK to work. "Normal" people's perceptions of South East Asia are very different from the tiresome "third-world" nonsense so beloved of retirees living back of Buriram.

    Two things I see here, one is that the jaded refrain of how useless a stint in Thailand is on a CV generally comes from those who retired to Thailand rather than those who moved on from working in Thailand to working back in the West and the other is that it seems to be the type of work which makes the difference.

    From what you say in your posts, Filch, it seems that your particular career is one in which there are far too many candidates for each position and those candidates, being I would say mainly European, are both fully qualified and willing to work for considerably less that what would otherwise be the going rate. I interview a considerable number people yearly for my company and I can say that for every British applicant who applies to us or whose CV is sent by an agency we also get 50 to 60 Eastern European applicants.
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    Oh dear, the OP really does have it bad.

    Irrespective of his own perception of his expertise and experience, it remains the case that he imagines himself to have been a big fish in what was, and in truth is, a small pool of little consequence to the western world.

    You may well consider your time developing your skills in Thailand was well spent and affords you X amount of valuable expertise in your chosen fields of endeavour but, really, to any decent employer based in the UK/Western Europe it means diddlysquat. In order to understand their perspective, imagine you were not in Thailand but were the leading digital web designer and recruitment consultant in Kiribati or Laos. See? Who gives a shit, eh.

    I assume you are in your mid to late thirties and that you are the step father to your wife's child. There are any number of jobs available in the UK offering that money to intelligent, hard-working indigenous British folk. The problem is, they tend to be in areas where living costs are high and the neighbourhoods less than salubrious.

    If it were me, I would concentrate on areas with a better quality of life and take any job that comes along in order to establish a residence qualifying sponsorship of my family. Once established one can then consider prospects for self - employment/consultancy work. Remember, you can "capitalise" any savings over 16,000 and add this to your annual remuneration bringing it up to the required threshold of 22,300 odd.

    Once your child is in school and settled, your wife can also find work which on the care/cleaning sectors is almost limitless anywhere in the UK because the English are too fucking lazy and useless to forego their benefits.

    I do have great sympathy for you. Theresa May is the Cvunt that created this dreadful minefield and was solely responsible for its management and development which she implemented in the Home Office during her 6 years there. She of course is a barren, desiccated, raddled old husk of a post-menopausal sow who couldn't have children and the attack on British spouses and their foreign wives is merely her way of coping with her disability and childlessness.

    You could send correspondence to her at Westminster informing her that upon her demise you will crack open a bottle of the finest Champagne in celebration. It won't do you any good of course but it might make you feel better.

    Deal with problems in practical ways and eschew any notion of self-perceived worth arising out of your conceit and vanity. it won't pay the bills.

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