Thread: Visa Long Long Overstay

Originally Posted by toddaniels

thaimeme; actually turning yourself in and going thru the system is NOT fraught with peril but if you don't time it right it is a fuck up as you camp in IDC until you leave.. Not to mention you're officially "deported". Now if you just show up at Suvarnabhumo and fly out you're just fined, "stamped as an overstay" and sent on your way.

Yep...

I accept what people are saying but to be honest none of it is new to me or more importantly definitive, I had hoped that since this forum has been going for many years and many members here consider themselves Thailand experts that I could get a respeonse I could rely on.

My misgiving comes from the fact opions here are contradictory and contract with opions in other similar threads here and other similar sites.

Obviously my goal is to minimize as much as possible cost, risk and unpleasantness. To do this one needs to plan and to plan one needs reliable accurate information.

I'll ask and check around

brw - the airport immigration route can be complicated if the entry visa not in the passport as is my case. I would still have my old passport so it should still be in there.
Some people suggest going to immigration in Bangkok, paying the 20k and getting a 1 week visa, Then flight booking can be made.

Originally Posted by Denatu

And if court fine is 3k I'd rather a night in IDC and save 17k

Feck that's stupid.

Have fun.

Originally Posted by Denatu

I accept what people are saying but to be honest none of it is new to me or more importantly definitive, I had hoped that since this forum has been going for many years and many members here consider themselves Thailand experts that I could get a respeonse I could rely on.

Trollin' I'd say....well done, sir!

Originally Posted by Denatu

I accept what people are saying but to be honest none of it is new to me or more importantly definitive, I had hoped that since this forum has been going for many years and many members here consider themselves Thailand experts that I could get a respeonse I could rely on.

My misgiving comes from the fact opions here are contradictory and contract with opions in other similar threads here and other similar sites.

That's because nobody knows - Thai officialdom is rather erratic and as much to do with their emotions at that moment, the pressures upon them at that moment, the policy some bigwig Somchai decided to enforce that day, etc, as an actual law or process. Your 10 years here, might have afforded you that information... Have a pleasant day and please report back your experiences in the detention centre.

@toddaniels - I'm not fishing for answers as such. I asked what I thought is not too unusual a question and merely hoped somebody here would have practical and accurate information, Aside from you, that seems not to be the case. It is as you say speculation etc.

I did email the person you suggested and the email came back as undelivered. I planned to phone him tommorow to ask for email. And yes he seems to be in a posttion where he would know as opposed to guessing.

I've only been posting in this thread to answer questions (that's politeness isn't it) and to point out the potential pitfalls in some of the suggestions.

Surprise about your British Airways comment but thats the sort of info I welcome and need to verify.

Yes thank you for the contact, thats the sort of help I was hoping for.

And yes that's the problem with the airport immigration route. 50250 is not the odds I lik, especially when it means losing the airfare. But on the other hand I dont know how much faith I put in Embassy advice. They are restricted in what they can say or recommend.

As I said I'll ask around, get facts then make decision accordingly. Thanks again for your help.

Save yourself worry and try not too be cheap, just go to the airport and pay 20K and your off..............

Originally Posted by Denatu

@jamescollister - Yes I considered that option but the problem is nobody seems to know for sure. Even you, you live next to the border but you say "Don't know if this would work". The danger in that option is if you get caught before leaving then its a lot more serious and costly than turning oneself in volounarily. And officials near the border may well be headhunters on the lookout for farangs to check visa and if not in order collect their bounty !!
I want to returrn to UK anyway but a solution like yours would then allow me to book flight and leave without visa problems.
This is precisely why I posted. I am hoping somebody knows not guesses. I've looked at old posts on same subject but all come down to "I guess" or "maybe". Appreciate your trying to help though.

No officials, no passport needed, Buntharik 2 border soldiers Thai side, couple of Lao customs guys.
I go over to buy cigarettes, no immigration police, just a border market in the jungle.
Give one of the stall owner some baht to take you to the nearest town, then on to the airport.
Shanta ou, pardon the spelling, everyone, Thai, Lao or farang, just walk back and forward.
There's another one for Cambodia near Nam Yuen, 11 years here and I or no one I know has ever been ask to show a passport.
It's a border soldier area, they wouldn't know what a visa looks like.

Originally Posted by Denatu

the problem with the airport immigration route. 50250 is not the odds I lik, especially when it means losing the airfare

Buy a fully refundable ticket, although your problems it seems are brought on by a lack of funds.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Give one of the stall owner some baht to take you to the nearest town, then on to the airport.

And how will he get through the airport with no entry stamp ?

Are you totally stupid? Just go to airport and pay 20k then no blacklisting !

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Give one of the stall owner some baht to take you to the nearest town, then on to the airport.

And how will he get through the airport with no entry stamp ?

That I don't know, but seems farangs have done it before, one I recall running from a murder charge.
Do they arrest you, then deport you, or just let you leave and say good ridden.

One for the Lao/ Cambodia forum.

Originally Posted by Denatu

I had hoped that since this forum has been going for many years and many members here consider themselves Thailand experts that I could get a respeonse I could rely on.

You've been given a wealth of good advice and still you want more, or some kind of absolute certainty? Well here's my two penny's worth, take you're sorry overstaying self down to swampy and hope for the best, chances are after the Bangkok bombing you're fukt six ways till Sunday. Have fun in the monkey house

Originally Posted by jamescollister

That I don't know, but seems farangs have done it before, one I recall running from a murder charge.
Do they arrest you, then deport you, or just let you leave and say good ridden.
One for the Lao/ Cambodia forum.

jamescollister, while I do agree you live in bum-fuck thailand, and are the go-to guy for a foreigner to farm rubber here as well as the guy with more problems from the thai in-laws and out-laws who live up there bleeding you dry, you might not have the best overstay advice for the O/P..

Let's say, by chance he crosses the border (which anyone can cross as it's more porous than the southern US border is). Then he's in what ever country (Lao/Cambodia) sans visa, sans exit stamp from thailand, sans entry stamp from that pissant shit hole third world country. Don't you think the fines and/or repercussions would be worse than being here on overstay and just trying to work thru the system? More importantly do you know (as in know, not heard) that it'd be easier for him?

I just don't see enough "visa related" stuff that you've posted which actually has any relevance other than anecdotally as in "I recall", "I heard", "I remember that"..

I'm most definitely NOT throwin' stones but.. do you know anything at all first hand about this topic or are you just posting to up your post count?

No respect is intended or implied errr, I think I mean no dis-respect, I'm not quite sure..

Todd, Aldhouse managed it, for a bit more then overstay.
As said don't know the rules in Cambo or Laos, but doubt they put an INTERPOL alert out for overstay in Thailand.

Couple of my mates over the years on long overstay, ticket in hand, nice smile to the officer, hand over 20,000 baht...No problem.

One friend was deported for a misdemeanor, had a child here and was blacklisted.
Advice given by a senior officer. Your crime was not serious, go home and change your name (he did by deed poll) Came back and no problems. Sadly, he died here a couple of years ago.

@toddaniels - It's a nuisance not being able to reply to your pm's. I spotted the address error in the first pm from the second pm. An "i" missing in first word. Thanks agaian for your help.

@jamescollister - yes I'm sure there is a route there but without a roadmap it would be pathfinding in the unknown.

@stinky - Yes Ive been given a wealth of opinion. I'm not seeking more as I'm sure it would be more of the same. And following the bombing and impending drop in tourism I don't see the logic in getting tough on the farang. But if I do decide to go the monkey house route like a friend of mine did then later at least I'll be able to provide first hand information to others. Thank you for your kind input.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Don't know if this would work, but people do skip the country to Cambo and Lao, an official/unoffical crossing near me. No passport required, just walk over to the market [Lao] Fly out of Lao, or Cambodia, when returning to Thailand, play dumb, say you left years ago.
Chong Mek and other crossing only got computerized a few years back, pick one, say you left there, departure cards get lost, no compute record.

Question would be, how hard to leave Cambo or Lao without an arrival visa, seems lots of farangs wanted by police leave that way.

Yes...leave by "other means"..return home,lost your passport, apply for new issue, return to Thailand

I'm thinking Denatu is a load of Codswhallop. A newbie, way to much fishing for Visa Info. Smacks of Denaru sitting in a Thai Immigration Jail, desperately trying to fish in a few more suckers, to justify the existence of Immigration Bureaucrats collecting well paid lolly, for doing little tough field work. I doubt if someone who writes so eruditely, would be so incredibly stupid to overstay one's visa for 10 years? Surely some Thai neighbour or extended family member, would have already ratted him out to the local Police Chief, in order to escape a personal legal problem? Just sayin' ... Otherwise, I sincerely hope the Thai's slap Denatu in a traditional Thai jail for a few months of "diet restriction"; then deport him permanently. He's giving the Brit Expat Community a bad reputation.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Todd, Aldhouse managed it, for a bit more then overstay.
As said don't know the rules in Cambo or Laos, but doubt they put an INTERPOL alert out for overstay in Thailand.

Aldhouse crossed the border legally at Had Lek.

Originally Posted by Denatu

@stinky - Yes Ive been given a wealth of opinion. I'm not seeking more as I'm sure it would be more of the same.

Yes you are you've already said exactly that.

And following the bombing and impending drop in tourism I don't see the logic in getting tough on the farang.

Even though they immediately and with no evidence implicated a foreigner, and what with you being a farang criminal too, it ain't looking too good for you so far.

But if I do decide to go the monkey house route like a friend of mine did then later at least I'll be able to provide first hand information to others. Thank you for your kind input.

It won't be you're decision to go to the monkey house, you've already shown scant regard for Thai immigration laws, the smart money's on you going down.