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    Kor Ror 2

    I have continual problems get a marriage visa because i was married over seas, recently I applied at Veintane and was only issued with a tourist visa, so i guess I need a Kor Ror 2 ? I was divorced 40 years ago and i So my marriage certificate say that fact. can any one assist, what is a Kor Ror 2 and how does one get one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    I have continual problems get a marriage visa because i was married over seas, recently I applied at Veintane and was only issued with a tourist visa, so i guess I need a Kor Ror 2 ? I was divorced 40 years ago and i So my marriage certificate say that fact. can any one assist, what is a Kor Ror 2 and how does one get one?

    KR2 is an extract of your marriage record from the Amphur where you registered it.
    I don't know if you can register a foreign marriage at the Amphur.
    Has your marriage cert from O/S been translated? Maybe that would do.

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    thanks, I am in udon does that mean I have to make a trip to BKK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    thanks, I am in udon does that mean I have to make a trip to BKK?

    Your OP is a mess.
    Where did you marry Mrs Pan (the current one).

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    No idea Pete but surely having sired 2 Thai Children with your wife must mean something to these buffoons. Proving that you have supported Thais for the last 10 years????? must mean something rather than a piece of paper.

    I hope you get it sorted mate.

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    sorry i cant help but tod should be along shortly

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    PP, simple option, pop into the Amphor and register the marriage, 10 minutes and a few Baht later and you have a KR 1 and 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99
    Your OP is a mess. Where did you marry Mrs Pan (the current one).
    If I'm reading correctly he was previously divorced and the fact that he has been previously divorced is mentioned in his KR2, the marriage record of his current marriage.

    Since the KR2 is what is in the national database regarding his marriage he (or his current Mrs) can request a reprint of it from any Amphur if he can identify himself to their satisfaction.

    It's not necessary to return to the original Amphur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    10 minutes and a few Baht later and you have a KR 1 and 2.
    Correction, you'll have KR2 & KR3. 3 is the flowery border one for framing (should be 2 copies actually, 1 for bride and 1 for groom - they are identical except for a stamp saying which is which) and KR2 which is the important stuff about keeping maiden names, pre-nups, previous marriages etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan
    I am in udon does that mean I have to make a trip to BKK?
    You will have to if you do it by the "rules". Make sure you take the wife along with all her ID docs (passport, Thai ID card and house book).

    Go to the Kiwi embassy. They will certify your marriage cert is authentic.

    Then the certified marriage certification has to be translated to Thai by a gov certified translator. Plenty of them in bangers. Your embassy should have a ref.

    Take both your embassy certified marriage cert and the Thai translation to the Foreign Affiars Ministry on Chang Wattana Rd. They will stamp all the docs.

    Back to your local district office in Udon with all the docs. They will issue you a Thai Marriage Cert. As I recall the district off ice will give you 2 docs. A Kor Ror 2 and a Kor Ror 3. One a copy of the Marriage Registration and the other a copy of the Marriage Certificate. Can't recall which is which.

    Whole lot of certifying going on but we must feed the Thai bureaucracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    No idea Pete but surely having sired 2 Thai Children with your wife must mean something to these buffoons. Proving that you have supported Thais for the last 10 years????? must mean something rather than a piece of paper.

    I hope you get it sorted mate.
    You know, LT - there was a time when that carried a lot of weight....having Thai children from a Thai national. Especially if they were born in Thailand.

    Don't believe the immigration authorities [or authorities in general] look upon such things as it applies to foreigners and their immigration status as they once did.

    Don't know Pete's situation, but if his children [of a Thai mother] were born abroad that might heighten complications towards his looking to secure the type of immigration status that he might be after - adds to the layers of bureaucracy.

    Wish him the best anyway...

    Norton, above, seems to have shed light on this particular problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quimbian corholla View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    10 minutes and a few Baht later and you have a KR 1 and 2.
    Correction, you'll have KR2 & KR3. 3 is the flowery border one for framing (should be 2 copies actually, 1 for bride and 1 for groom - they are identical except for a stamp saying which is which) and KR2 which is the important stuff about keeping maiden names, pre-nups, previous marriages etc.
    I stand corrected, only look at them once a year, multi O, which I have to do next week in Savanhket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan
    I have continual problems get a marriage visa because i was married over seas, recently I applied at Veintane and was only issued with a tourist visa, so i guess I need a Kor Ror 2 ? I was divorced 40 years ago and i So my marriage certificate say that fact. can any one assist, what is a Kor Ror 2 and how does one get one?
    So why haven't you sorted this out before if it's continual? Surely the problem would have been highlighted the first time you applied and sorted for the next time? Just my view on things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    PP, simple option, pop into the Amphor and register the marriage, 10 minutes and a few Baht later and you have a KR 1 and 2.
    I would have to go with that concept (I know there was a comment on which docs you get later in the thread).

    As far as I am aware (note the caveat!) there is no problems in marrying the same woman under different legal systems.



    Marrying different ones of course does have certain implications!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan
    I was divorced 40 years ago
    You might want to take your original Divorce certificate to your embassy and get them to certify that as well, and also a Thai translation, to the ministry prior to visiting the local Ampur office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Then the certified marriage certification has to be translated to Thai by a gov certified translator.
    Actually there is no such thing as a gov certified translator in Thailand, it is not like somebody can apply and get a license as with a notary public or something. The translators that embassies list are just companies who have produced results for their nationalities before.

    A translation company (as a legal entity) stamps their work as a "certified correct translation" but only in the same way as somebody making an affidavit for example signs a line certifying that the info is true and correct to the best of their knowledge. It is when the translation has been submitted to the MFA and got their stamp of approval over the stamp of the translator that it carries any weight.

    You can translate you own documents and submit to the MFA for approval of the translation if you want, we did that when I got my Statutory Declaration from UK embassy prior to nipping down to the Amphur while I was on a lunch break to seal my fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    PP, simple option, pop into the Amphor and register the marriage, 10 minutes and a few Baht later and you have a KR 1 and 2.
    I would have to go with that concept (I know there was a comment on which docs you get later in the thread).

    As far as I am aware (note the caveat!) there is no problems in marrying the same woman under different legal systems.



    Marrying different ones of course does have certain implications!!


    I don't think that is correct, you can renew vows with a priest, but not actually get a record of marriage again. It's like being born.
    For Oz here you have to sign a stat dec saying you are not currently married to get a Amphur marriage and that would be a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quimbian corholla
    Actually there is no such thing as a gov certified translator in Thailand
    You are correct. Not gov certified. As you say, translators who have a track record dealing with government entities. The one I use is government registered however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    PP, simple option, pop into the Amphor and register the marriage, 10 minutes and a few Baht later and you have a KR 1 and 2.
    I would have to go with that concept (I know there was a comment on which docs you get later in the thread).

    As far as I am aware (note the caveat!) there is no problems in marrying the same woman under different legal systems.



    Marrying different ones of course does have certain implications!!


    I don't think that is correct, you can renew vows with a priest, but not actually get a record of marriage again. It's like being born.
    For Oz here you have to sign a stat dec saying you are not currently married to get a Amphur marriage and that would be a lie.
    Confusing registering a marriage, with church weddings, no reason you can't get a blessing and register the marriage in Thailand and then marry in Australia and get an OZ wedding certificate.
    And you can have 2 birth certificates, or more, PP just needs a stat dec that he's free to marry his wife, or there are a lot of bigamists out there.
    Many have Thai and foreign weddings, makes it easier on name changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    PP just needs a stat dec that he's free to marry his wife
    PP needs a Thai marriage Cert. He's already legally married in NZ. He's not looking to be free to marry his current wife again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    PP just needs a stat dec that he's free to marry his wife
    PP needs a Thai marriage Cert. He's already legally married in NZ. He's not looking to be free to marry his current wife again.
    He wants a piece of paper from the Amphor, it's a registration of the union, not a marriage per-say.
    No big deal, he registers the wedding and gets the paper.

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    Sounds like you will need to be officially married in Thailand.

    To do this you may (in BKK you do) need to get a letter from your embassy stating that you are married to ****** , or are not currently married thus free to marry ******.

    I had to put my employment info and salary on mine (embassy wanted it on).

    Your full birth-cert (I only had my short one so had to get that from the government at home).

    Translated in to Thai by a registered translator.
    These stamped by the MFA.

    Then taken to the marriage office within 4 weeks.

    You get the Kor Ror 3 that day. It's your Thai marriage Cert.


    You can also get the Kor Ror 2 from your local amphur in the future to show that you are still married, once the the KR2 is a few years old. Some people have been refused marriage visas because their marriage cert was 5 yrs old and they could have been since divorced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    PP just needs a stat dec that he's free to marry his wife
    PP needs a Thai marriage Cert. He's already legally married in NZ. He's not looking to be free to marry his current wife again.
    He wants a piece of paper from the Amphor, it's a registration of the union, not a marriage per-say.
    No big deal, he registers the wedding and gets the paper.
    Big deal at many amphurs.

    You don't get the KR2 without the KR3.

    You don't get the KR3 without official translations of your docs by the MFA.


    Officers and offices do differ, but this the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBell View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    PP just needs a stat dec that he's free to marry his wife
    PP needs a Thai marriage Cert. He's already legally married in NZ. He's not looking to be free to marry his current wife again.
    He wants a piece of paper from the Amphor, it's a registration of the union, not a marriage per-say.
    No big deal, he registers the wedding and gets the paper.
    Big deal at many amphurs.

    You don't get the KR2 without the KR3.

    You don't get the KR3 without official translations of your docs by the MFA.


    Officers and offices do differ, but this the norm.
    Been married a long time now, things change over time.
    Friend married in Ubon last year, Embassy letter, free to marry, took no time at all, piss up lasted 2 days though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    PP just needs a stat dec that he's free to marry his wife
    PP needs a Thai marriage Cert. He's already legally married in NZ. He's not looking to be free to marry his current wife again.
    true jim\norts I don't want to get married again I just want to be able to present my marriage cert without a load of supporting shite, I have two thai daughters and normally that would carry some weight, but it seems not. but thanks for the help, lots of useful info here.

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