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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilbaz View Post
    Phuketrichard - last "mix and match" extension I had done at Phuket (December 2013) the lady Captain who signs off everything sent me away (another border run) because the "Balance" had only been in KBank for two weeks!
    I even, in exasperation, showed her a copy of the Royal Police Order in Thai related to "mix & match" but her reply was "Three months in bank - same as 800K deposit - I'm the Boss here" !

    So, I'm about to "season" my estimated "balance +" next week for a December renewal of extension based on retirement.
    (I get an OZ pension plus two from Canada - proof of funds required in Phuket to prove the Embassy/Consulate letter).
    The Letter can be done locally in Phuket again - even though the new OZ Consul hasn't been officially approved.


    And Terry - no need to get on your high horse about this - after many months you still haven't grasped all the "rules" nor appreciated the varying processes!
    You also need to be Nostradamus on FX rates for 3+ months.
    I just did mine in June and they didn't look at the bank letter at all ( in fact they didn't look at any of the letters including the us notarized one) only checked to see i had them and the money was only there 4 days. But then they know me there as have been using phuket immigration for ever it seems :-)
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    ^ ^

    I agree entirely with you, I am indeed no expert in obtaining and extending the Retirement Visa.

    Thought I had it all sorted but apparently not. I'm not the only one though.

    You must admit , there are a lot of confused people out there regards this issue, certainly not crystal clear.

    Anyway, I'm going to employ Toddaniels to assist me in getting my Retirement Visa.

    I'm not going to take any chances of fuking it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels View Post

    The only part where "terry57" was wrong about is the fact that according to the Thai Immigration regulations, ANYONE of any nationality can go the "embassy letter" route to show adequate monthly funds (40K marriage/65K retirement) to secure a yearly extension of stay at Thai Immigrations.
    I'm getting close to being correct then.

    I was not commenting on the Extension of stay but only on getting a Retirement Visa.

    So I reckon I'm full bottle on this gig now.

    Australians and Americans never need to show money in the bank either to gain an Retirement Visa or to gain an Extension of stay based on retirement.

    Other nationalities can have a crack getting a Stat Dec from their Embassy but more than likely will need to show proof of Income.

    A Stat Dec from our embassy will do the job without needing to show proof of income. Brilliant.

    Thanks for all your info.

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    That's not what I know or have heard.

    Been with several Aussies who have waited with me clutching their BKK bank books.

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    ^^
    Last edited by charleyboy; 27-08-2014 at 05:41 AM.

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    "thegent"; The fact that you have seen Aussiez waiting w/you clutching their BKK bank books doesn't mean that the Stat Dec form from the Oz Embassy can't be used as proof to show income. It only means that they might not have known about it, are applying in a zone where proof of the amount put on it is required or plain and simple didn't go that route.

    I'd have to say, of the many, many, MANY people I've shepherded thru the process; hands down the banked money is the most popular method of meeting the financial requirements both for retirement an marriage extensions.

    "Evilbaz" I'm not sayin' it didn't happen to you; only that unless you already held some visa from outside the country, another border bounce getting you 30 days wouldn't have seasoned the money long enough (unless you're one of those nationalities who gets more than 30 days on a border bounce).

    You mentioned the money had been in the bank only 2 weeks and 30 days more wouldn't hit the required seasoning times. Extensions of stay based on marriage to a thai require 2 months seasoning all the time, extensions of stay based on retirement requires a 2 month seasoning for the first year, and 90 days seasoning from then on for each year after that..

    The attitude exhibited by the immigrations officer in the story "Evilbaz" relates is the exact reason I don't do field trips anymore. I woulda called Bangkok Immigrations on that one for sure, while I was sitting there.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't EVER try to circumvent the rules as they're written but after 5+ years fooling with visas for people here I do have a reasonable expectation that immigrations at least in Bangkok follows them pretty close.

    I can't even count the numbers of foreigners I've declined to accompany to immigrations because they didn't meet all the requirements. I can say almost everyone I talk to about their extension has the wrong information or starts their statements with "my thai g/f said", "I heard from someone", or "a friend of a friend said".

    The reason I share the information I know on forums is not because I'm a good person (because in reality I'm pretty much an asshole). I share information because, even though I'm just a dumb hillbilly from Ohio, if I can figure out how to give immigrations the documentation they want; anyone who really tries can too. I'm not pretending to saying I know everything visa-wise, not by a long shot. I'm only saying I know what works and has worked for me at Bangkok Immigrations time and again. It might or might not work for you, your mileage may vary..

    Also I've never greased the wheels out at immigrations, not once. It really rankles me that people will pay more just to get someone to do the job they're already being paid to do. I used to tell the immigrations officers I was a ผู้ช่วย (helper) but now I say I'm a ผู้เชียร์ (cheering section). I even have a stick on name tag dealy made up with มิสเตอร์ ท้อด (Mister Tod) and it has ผู้ช่วย (helper) crossed out with ผู้เชียร์ (cheering section) written under it. I'm most definitely NOT a visa agent, which is why I call what I do "shepherding" when I post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    ^ ^

    I agree entirely with you, I am indeed no expert in obtaining and extending the Retirement Visa.

    Thought I had it all sorted but apparently not. I'm not the only one though.

    You must admit , there are a lot of confused people out there regards this issue, certainly not crystal clear.

    Anyway, I'm going to employ Toddaniels to assist me in getting my Retirement Visa.

    I'm not going to take any chances of fuking it up.
    wasting your money, its so fucking simple

    NOTE your getting a non imm type O visa for reason of retirement ( outsider Thailand)
    than your APPLYING for 1 year EXTENSION> ( inside Thailand)

    its words, i know but they make a dif,

    also make sure u get at least 1 re enrty permit at the same time ( 1,000 baht ) or multiple ( 3,800) if u plan on leaving more than 4 times in a year

    PLEASE STOP SAYING THIS!!!!!!! its not correct!!!!!!!
    Australians and Americans never need to show money in the bank either to gain an Retirement Visa or to gain an Extension of stay based on retirement.

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    "thegent"; The fact that you have seen Aussiez waiting w/you clutching their BKK bank books doesn't mean that the Stat Dec form from the Oz Embassy can't be used as proof to show income. It only means that they might not have known about it, are applying in a zone where proof of the amount put on it is required or plain and simple didn't go that route.
    The letter IS ONLY NEEDED if your using your outside Thailand income to get your extension. ( or using the combo method) I know lots of people that for 10++ years have NEVER had to pay $60 to get the US letter. Otherwise your thai bank book is required as well as the letter form te Thai bank.

    TO me ur making it more confusing to everyone. The us letter as u have shown does NOT SAY how much you have in the bank. ONLY what your MONTHLY income is, The bank book shows what you have.

    I don't know about the oz letter, perhaps u can post that one for us
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phuketrichard View Post

    PLEASE STOP SAYING THIS!!!!!!! its not correct!!!!!!!


    Australians and Americans never need to show money in the bank either to gain an Retirement Visa or to gain an Extension of stay based on retirement.

    It is correct if one gets his Non O type 90 day single entry visa based on retirement outside of Thailand.

    If the Visa is obtained inside Thailand one must show the funds seasoned in the Bank.

    Having trouble understanding this bit aren't you.?

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    Now now, "Phuketrichard" we all can't be as dialed into the visa rules as you are!!!

    I think "terry57" has done remarkably well tryin' to understand the inz-n-outz of a screwy system which works different at almost every immigrations office in this country!

    Weighing in on what's what in Phuket, provides very little "bang-4-the-baht" in terms of terry57's plan of using Chaengwattana because Bangkok AIN'T Phuket. I mean what's the point, other than being anecdotally interesting that the Phuket immigrations officers are one way pricks about stuff?

    Christ I'd be dollars to durian, right now terry57 could use a Pattaya hotel address as proof of residence in that province, show up at Jomtien Immigrations with two stat decs and get not only a 90 day Non-O stamped into his passport BUT also get his yearly extension of stay based on retirement at the exact same time, which would give him a permission to stay of 15 months! There's no office in the country doin' this as a single step anymore that I know of except Jomtien!

    I will agree with you about the fact he needs to stop saying "Australians and Americans never need to show money in the bank either to gain an Retirement Visa or to gain an Extension of stay based on retirement." I actually thought after repeated chiding we'd got him on track about that, but from looking at his last post, alas we have not.

    Be that as it many, in the bigger picture it doesn't matter because he is a Aussie and he CAN use a stat dec. Both to secure a single entry 90 day Non-O inside the country (with proof to back up the stat dec document) if he wanted to go that route and to secure a yearly extension of stay (with no proof needed in Bangkok).

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    I dunno, I think maybe Terry needs to consider this a bit more.


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    ^

    I'm doing OK though. I am only keep fuking up one aspect of this gig.

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    Terry, you were a fireman, state government, WA different than Vic. fireman get government guaranteed pensions. Letter from the fund showing your pension, all the other problems go away. Jim

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    Just called the Oz Embassy here, because I didn't wanna waste a trip down there just to pick up the stat dec form.

    They were nice enough to email it to me!

    Christ I can hardly get the US Embassy to answer the phone on some days, yet the girl at the Oz embassy asked me if I wanted her to email it to me!

    Anyway, here's a pic of it.


    jamescollister is correct, all terry57 would need is a year end statement showing the monthly pay outs and it'd serve as proof in the eyez of the thaiz

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    But that was never in any doubt.

    I thought the issue under debate was that irrespective of nationality anyone going down the lump sum route intending to obtain a retirement extension has to produce evidence of 800k in a Thai bank account, either seasoned for 2 months or 3 depending on whether it is the first application.

    Or have I missed something?

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    "thegent" you are abso-tively posi-lutely 100% correct!

    Anyone going the "banked money" route to secure a yearly extension of stay based on retirement has to show 800K in a thai bank account in their name only for the required seasoning period. Which you also correctly pointed out is; 60 day for the first year and 3 months for subsequent years.

    One last time, here's the translation provided by Siam Legal of the newest Police Order 327/2557 which takes effect this Friday the 29th.
    2.22 In the case of retirement: Each permission shall be granted for no more than one year.
    (1) Must have been granted a nonimmigrant visa (NONIM).
    (2) Must be 50 years of age or over.
    (3) Must have evidence of having income of no less than Baht 65,000 per month: OR
    (4) On the filing date, the applicant must have funds deposited in a bank in Thailand of no less than Baht 800,000 for the past three months. For the first year only, the applicant must have proof of a deposit account in which said amount of funds has been maintained for no less than 60 days prior to the filing date:
    OR
    (5) Must have an annual earning and fluids deposited with a bank totaling no less than Baht 800,0000 as of the filing date.
    Now honestly for #5 I have no idea what "fluids" they require or which bank teller I should deposit those fluids in, err with. Now in reading the thai I see that #5 is the "combination method" where you use banked money and a statement of income from abroad.

    Still you're right on the mark there 'thegent'

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    Just in case you read somewhere where someone says you can't get a Non-O visa inside the country, here's a pic of a 90 day Non-Immigrant Type-O visa an acquaintance got at the end of last year. Note how it says Immigrations Bureau Thailand, that'd be the clue in that it was had INSIDE the country.


    Here's the new 90 day permission to stay stamp he got with it. Where it says NON "O" then has thai ใช่ชีวิตบั้นปลาย that translates as "live out the end of your life" which is the real "category" of the visa we all call retirement.


    We then went out and got him the yearly extension of stay after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels View Post

    The only part where "terry57" was wrong about is the fact that according to the Thai Immigration regulations, ANYONE of any nationality can go the "embassy letter" route to show adequate monthly funds (40K marriage/65K retirement) to secure a yearly extension of stay at Thai Immigrations.

    It's just that some embassies don't issue them, some require proof you actually have receive the amount of money you put on the letter, some embassy's even write the letter FOR you after you submit the proof to them. It takes a call to your embassy to find out if they issue the letter or not.

    So what it boils down to is that if one is an Australian or American the Proof of income letter will suffice as long as one has gains the 90 day single entry Non O visa based on retirement outside of Thailand.

    When going for the extension the letter is good for the Aus and USA people.

    That's how I'm reading it and have for a while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels View Post

    I will agree with you about the fact he needs to stop saying "Australians and Americans never need to show money in the bank either to gain an Retirement Visa or to gain an Extension of stay based on retirement."

    Be that as it many, in the bigger picture it doesn't matter because he is a Aussie and he CAN use a stat dec. Both to secure a single entry 90 day Non-O inside the country (with proof to back up the stat dec document) if he wanted to go that route and to secure a yearly extension of stay (with no proof needed in Bangkok).

    That's what I have been saying But something has been getting lost in translation.

    Get the Non O outside Thailand and no need for me to show money in the Bank but get the Non O inside Thailand and i must show money in the bank.

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    I wish Gravey Dave would explain this to the thick coont!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post


    Terry, you were a fireman, state government, WA different than Vic. fireman get government guaranteed pensions. Letter from the fund showing your pension, all the other problems go away. Jim

    Jim, I ain't got no problem.

    I can put the 800 K in my Thai bank in a heart beat but will not do it if I do not need to simply because I am making good money in Interest on the 800 K at home.

    Further more I do not draw a pension, no need to, I just pull money when I need it.
    I can set up a set amount monthly pension but simply have no need to.

    And further more, many Australians in Thailand live on their pension Funds and rely on them making money to get their play money.

    I'll bet good money that many Australians have placed their 800 K in a Thai bank so they can get their Retirement visa when they did not need to.

    Many are ignorant to the fact that they do not need to do this if they Obtained their Non O type 90 day single entry Visa biased on Retirement outside of the Country.

    Friggin nuts to have 800 K sitting in Thailand if no need to, either that or one don't give a toss simply because one has a shit load of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charleyboy View Post

    I wish Gravey Dave would explain this to the thick coont!


    Don't talk about phuketrichard like that. He did not mean to fuk it all up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charleyboy View Post
    I wish Gravey Dave would explain this to the thick coont!
    ..or just get on with the simple process and the expected thread to accompany.

    Worse than any Lakorn Thai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels View Post


    jamescollister is correct, all terry57 would need is a year end statement showing the monthly pay outs and it'd serve as proof in the eyez of the thaiz


    But I don't need to show proof of income because I'm going to get my Non O back in Perth. Right.

    I'm just going to fill that Stat Dec out declaring I'm flush with cash and meet the Requirements of Income.

    Chaeng Wattana will take that as proof of income. Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post

    I thought the issue under debate was that irrespective of nationality anyone going down the lump sum route intending to obtain a retirement extension has to produce evidence of 800k in a Thai bank account, either seasoned for 2 months or 3 depending on whether it is the first application.

    Easy to understand that.

    But in the case where the Aus or American punter has obtained a Retirement Visa by declaring the Stat Dec and not going the lump sum route the stat dec will siffice for the extension. Yes

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