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    Mate I have read every post you have done regards getting the Retirement Visa.

    As I have posted I've been to the Australian Embassy to confirm what you have told us regards Australians getting a Stat Dec from the Embassy regards funding.

    They confirmed what you have said so I will do exactly what you have told me and then post up a thread telling all about my success.

    I'm off to Perth September 17 and will return to Thailand with a new single entry 90 day non" O " type Visa. I'll then complete the process 60 day later at Chang Wattana.

    Regards your offer of help I may take you up on that.

    Thanks very much.

    Regards bringing in the 800 k. I can afford it, absolutely no problems there but last year I made 11.2 % on my investments.

    That's 89,600 Bht tax free.

    Why would ya park 800 K in a shitty Thai account when one don't need too. ???

    Some guys are dumb arses Eh.

    Thanks for all your posts, you have saved me quite a bit of money. TA.

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    This may be a bit different, but what about my (American) multiple-entry Non-Immigrant O-A visa issued on September 10, 2013. It says "Enter before September 9, 2014." It's my understanding that I will be good for one year after I (re)enter before September 9. I plan to go up to Mae Sai, leave and re-enter the same day. The people at Immigration in CM said OK, Mae Sai Immigration should just stamp me back in, but there was alot of "discussion" before that conclusion was reached. Any thoughts before I head up there?

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    "terp80"
    The Non-Immigrant Type-OA visa is indeed a whore from a different go-go bar, errr I mean a horse of a different color.

    That visa CAN'T be had anywhere in Asia and usually hasta be gotten where ever it is you're from BEFORE you wash up here. It's the one which requires the police background check, the hospital physical etc.

    If you bought the multi-entry version, it allows the holder an unlimited number of entries into thailand for a year and every time you enter right up until the day BEFORE the date stamped which says "enter before" you'll get stamped back into the country for a full year's "permission to stay until" stamp.

    Most Immigrations offices are clueless about this (hence the discussion they had when you showed up with it), because so few foreigners actually jump thru the hoops in their country to secure this type of visa.

    So here's how it works. Exit the country at least the day before the "enter before" date, re-enter and you'll be stamped in for another calendar year, end of story.

    However here's the catch to that visa. While it does indeed give you another calendar year as far as a "permission to stay until" stamp, the "multi-entry" part of the visa expires on the "enter before date" (in your case Sept 9th 2014). This means, IF you run-4-the-border, get another year's permission to stay but are gonna exit the country again during the year, AFTER the visa itself expired you have to buy a re-entry permit (1000baht single re-entry or 3800baht multiple re-entry) at immigrations. If you don't your permission of stay is done when you exit the country. The new re-entry permit you buy will be good for as long as your permission to stay until stamp is (or about a year). ..

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    That fund is surely a miracle machine for you, Terry.

    I see the furore over the LM Investment Management funds operated by Aussie Peter Drake is still blazing away. Many in Asia have been burned rotten by his scams but it could only have happened in Oz where the regulatory authorities are as weak as a Digger's resolve in a whore house.

    12 % in a difficult climate for everyone else in the world is truly remarkable.

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    Will keep my fingers crossed Terry, if it works will have a crack at it next year. Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    However here's the catch to that visa. While it does indeed give you another calendar year as far as a "permission to stay until" stamp, the "multi-entry" part of the visa expires on the "enter before date" (in your case Sept 9th 2014). This means, IF you run-4-the-border, get another year's permission to stay but are gonna exit the country again during the year, AFTER the visa itself expired you have to buy a re-entry permit (1000baht single re-entry or 3800baht multiple re-entry) at immigrations. If you don't your permission of stay is done when you exit the country. The new re-entry permit you buy will be good for as long as your permission to stay until stamp is (or about a year). ..
    Thanks Todd. I do plan to go back to the US in November and return to LOS around New Year's. Can I come back and pay upon re-entry? Or do I need another visa from the Thai Embassy in DC (where I live[d])? I plan to go back to US again in the Spring. Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Just to stick my nose in a little. I've only ever heard that it's Americans that need to swear they have the money, rather than prove it. Good luck Terry I hope I'm wrong.
    This is correct.
    Americans are not required to provide documented proof.

    Your good word is suitable and quite adequate.
    The ONLY time u would not need a bank letter is if ur using the us notarized letter method ( no idea about Aust) that states ur receiving +66,000 baht/month . make sure its a bit more for currency fluctuation.

    Note in PHUKET they will not accept the us notarized letter alone an u need something to back it up whenu apply for your exteniosn , ( letter from your US bank, ss payment etc)

    The notarized us letter is only stating that they saw you sign the paper ( Thai immigration knows this) , not what your signing is true, BUT since lying when swearing is an offense.....

    If ur using 800,000 in the bank method, you MUST have the official letter from your thai bank ( SCB charges me 200 baht for this) no more than 1 day old. plus copies of EVERY page of your bank book.

    YOU can do the combo method ( how i keep my extension) show an certain amount of income an the rest to make up the 800,000 note this route the money does NOT need to be seasoned.

    Example
    SS income $1,200/month 38,400 baht/month using the us notarized letter ( 460,000/year) 800,000- 460,000= 340,000 i must show in the bank ( using the bank letter ) for at least 1 day plus a letter backing up my claim of the income
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    "terp80" - Once you run-4-the-border and get the new permission to stay until stamp (which will probably be dated 364 days out from the day you border run, so sometime around the beginning of Sept 2015), you'll have to get a re-entry permit BEFORE you leave thailand again OR your permission to stay is canceled when you leave.

    If, as you say, you're going to the US in Nov and then again in the spring of 2015, right after you do your border run next month why don't you just go to Thai Immigrations in Chiang Mai and buy a multiple re-entry permit (3800baht)?

    When you buy a re-entry permit it will be valid as long as your permission to stay stamp is. That way, you'll always be stamped back into the country until at least Sept 2015, no matter how many times you leave and come back during the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charleyboy
    ^ Why would you translate the letter into Thai? I've been using the 'letter' for years and never asked for a translation.
    "Once upon a time" I wanted the real marriage certificate. We went to the local office where marriage certificates were issued and asked what was needed.

    We obtained all the info requested and had them translated. The Bangkok Ministry took them and issued their official certificate, which had been requested. I returned to the local office went through the "examination" by the officer, who appeared to be satisfied and was sent upstairs to meet his boss who grilled us both, gave us both his blessing and it all looked good.

    Upon returning downstairs to the "Officer" for the issuance of the certificate, and went to get the book of marriage certificates and was in the process of completing our certificate. He then announced that although the embassy letter asked for details of previous marriages. This of course was shown and noted in the "embassy" letter and on the Thai ministry letter. He wanted a Thai translation of the original Decree Nisi which of course I didn't have. Somewhat frustrated we walked away and went for something to eat!

    Does anyone know if their is a time limit for these Embassy letters, Ministry letters or translations? Maybe I will try again, with the requested translation. Of course I will probably be seen by a different officer who will find something else is needed.

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    Different office, different interpretation of the rules?
    Tell me about it! But TIT
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post

    Will keep my fingers crossed Terry, if it works will have a crack at it next year. Jim

    This is quite complicated until one actually takes on board what the rules are.

    Many people fuk it up including myself until Todd clarified it. Its not fuking hard, just read the friggin rules.

    If one obtains the, " single entry, Non " O " type Visa biased on retirement within Thailand one must show 800 K in a Thai bank or 65000 per month in a pension fund in their bank book.

    If one obtains the Single entry Non O type visa based on retirement in their home country one does not need to have the 800 K in a Thai bank.

    If a person is an Australia or an American citizen they can then go to their embassy and sign a Stat Dec stating they have the required amount in their bank account.

    If you are not an Australian or a yank and will be applying for a Retirement visa you must show the money in a Thai bank account.

    Its not that fooking hard, just read the posts EH.

    In plain English, if you are not an Australian or a Yank you must have the 800K in a Thai bank to get the retirement Visa.

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    Mr Fireman...How fookin' long have you been visiting these shores?

    You're a coont, innit!

    Pikey Dave has more brains.

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    Only 27 years. Not that long Eh.

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    Rather [more than] obsessed with this Thai resident/long-term visa thing, aren't ya Tel?

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    Actually, I'm quite glad you raised that point Jeff.

    The amount of punters who do not know how the rules affect Australian and USA citizens regards the 800 K are huge.

    So many punters are under the option they must show the 800 K in the bank.

    Read through the threads regards this point and you won't post up the above shit like you have.

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    Best of luck Terry, keep us posted on how you go.
    Laws are one thing, but how they are interpreted are another.
    As you know, have 2 kids and entitled to a child support extension of stay, 2 years ago, no problem. today no chance. Jim

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    The thing is Jim,

    If you apply at a place outside Chang Wattana Bangkok the Immigration officials some times make up their own rules. We know this as a fact.

    Hence Jeff posting up his interpretation of how thing are but in reality they are not.

    If you need to get things sorted properly you are best to come to Bangkok and get it sorted 100 %.

    If you rely on upcountry Immigration and don't get a suitable outcome it can be expected.

    Chang Wattana work by the current rules.

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    Further more Jim,

    If it is that Important to you consider hiring a professional to accompany you to Chang Wattana.

    It is well worth it to get your desired outcome.

    Up to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    I will be very pissed off if I get turned around at Chang Wattana I can tell you.
    There's no reason for getting pissed, just take it as a man. You have after all
    gambled on a loophole which even your embassy acknowledge as it being one when saying that they don't guarantee that the Stat Dec will be accepted.

    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    It can be a tad confusing until it sinks in that only American and Australian citizens can do it this way. Don't ask me why.
    There will come a time when this loophole gets closed and not only for Aussies and Yanks but also for people from countries whose embassy checked that the stated amount existed. That's how it has worked in the past, the cheaters and abusers destroys it for the honest ones.

    Now for your loss Terry, you are not really good at maths.
    You already have 500K here so would only need to transfer 300K and it is on that amount you should calculate your loss. 30-35K baht it is on one of the golden years but more likely 20K baht in average and less than that on some years. Big fokking deal you girlie blouse crybaby

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    The only part where "terry57" was wrong about is the fact that according to the Thai Immigration regulations, ANYONE of any nationality can go the "embassy letter" route to show adequate monthly funds (40K marriage/65K retirement) to secure a yearly extension of stay at Thai Immigrations.

    It's just that some embassies don't issue them, some require proof you actually have receive the amount of money you put on the letter, some embassy's even write the letter FOR you after you submit the proof to them. It takes a call to your embassy to find out if they issue the letter or not.

    There is also the ability to go the "combo route" this is where some of the money is banked in thailand and some is on the income letter from your embassy. As long as the total meets the financial requirements that's fine. Now really there is nothing written in the rules about seasoning the money in a thai account (not for even a day), but some immigration offices want it seasoned. Again, their interpretation of a rule which doesn't even exist!

    It's like "Phuketrichard" saying that Phuket Immigrations wants proof of funds to back up the embassy letter for yearly extensions of stay, but here in Bangkok they don't. Also in Bangkok, they don't care if the letter from your thai bank verifying funds is a week old (although with all the banks in the basement willing to do the letter for you while you wait, it's hard not to have a "fresh" letter). Chaengwattana only cares that you update the balance of your account in your bank book on the day you apply for the extension and the total isn't LESS than the bank letter.

    I had a Canuck kicked back trying to get an income affidavit letter from the Canadian Embassy here in Bangkok. He holds a green card for the US, lives and banks there. Even with proof of the monthly deposits the Canadian Embassy wouldn't issue the letter for him. They told him to go to the US Embassy, but because he ain't American they wouldn't do it either. He finally had to go the banked money route.

    This creative license that different offices take in the interpretation of the rules as they're written is one of the reasons I stopped doing field trips up country to shepherd people thru the process. I ONLY fool with Bangkok.


    FWIW: here's a pic of the letter you fill out at the American Citizens Services office at the US Embassy in Bangkok.

    Note the word "affirm" = state as a fact. . .


    "lom" it is most definitely NOT a loophole, no matter how you wanna look at it. It's what Thai Immigrations rules state, now if some countries have different criteria for issuing the letter, that's on those countries. You're barking up the wrong tree thinking the cheaters and abusers destroy it for the honest ones. What ever that means.... Following the letter of the rules as they're made up and written down by the thaiz is hardly circumventing the system. It is after all their system..

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
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    The thing is Jim,

    If you apply at a place outside Chang Wattana Bangkok the Immigration officials some times make up their own rules. We know this as a fact.

    Hence Jeff posting up his interpretation of how thing are but in reality they are not.

    If you need to get things sorted properly you are best to come to Bangkok and get it sorted 100 %.

    If you rely on upcountry Immigration and don't get a suitable outcome it can be expected.

    Chang Wattana work by the current rules.
    Under the impression that I need to apply where I live, can't go office shopping, TD may know the rules.
    If I can, will go to where the old immigration chief was transferred to and get a child support. Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    It's what Thai Immigrations rules state,
    Same could be said for the extention that used to exist in 2007 which was 'Support of Thai child' whereby no money had to be shown on the basis that as per the Thai way a child can support an adult.
    I obtained this extention as a matter of princable and quoted the rules til I was blue in the face, no money needed to be shown. In the end the sum became negotiable and they settled at seeing 200,000 in the bank, as I recall. 2008 this extention was non obtainable.

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    "jamescollister" is correct, he can't just pick and choose where he goes to garner yearly extensions of stay.

    Ever since they went to that Zone Immigrations dealy it locked people into going to the immigrations office which controls the zone where they live.

    Before that people used to FLOCK to Jomtien in droves, even when Bangkokians had to go to the old Suan Plu office (which was a pretty soft touch back then). Jomtien is still the easiest immigrations office in the country to deal with as far as interpretation of the rules and what documents are required.
    Here's the map and the breakdown of the zones from a sign out at Chaengwattana, you gotta go where they tell you to go.


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    Lost on interpretation!

    I can see were Lom is coming from.
    The US and Aussies, not having to prove their income is wide open to abuse.
    Some of the Immigrations are now wise to this, hence, having to prove the income.

    I've been here quite a long time and seen some of the requirments change, in part, due to cheats!

    Just look at the seasoning requirement. That was changed because people were swapping the money around...I borrowed off you for a day, day after someone else 'borrowed it.'

    As lom implied, maybe one day, we'll all be jumping through hoops to verify our income to Immigration (Thai.)

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    Phuketrichard - last "mix and match" extension I had done at Phuket (December 2013) the lady Captain who signs off everything sent me away (another border run) because the "Balance" had only been in KBank for two weeks!
    I even, in exasperation, showed her a copy of the Royal Police Order in Thai related to "mix & match" but her reply was "Three months in bank - same as 800K deposit - I'm the Boss here" !

    So, I'm about to "season" my estimated "balance +" next week for a December renewal of extension based on retirement.
    (I get an OZ pension plus two from Canada - proof of funds required in Phuket to prove the Embassy/Consulate letter).
    The Letter can be done locally in Phuket again - even though the new OZ Consul hasn't been officially approved.


    And Terry - no need to get on your high horse about this - after many months you still haven't grasped all the "rules" nor appreciated the varying processes!
    You also need to be Nostradamus on FX rates for 3+ months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post

    Will keep my fingers crossed Terry, if it works will have a crack at it next year. Jim

    This is quite complicated until one actually takes on board what the rules are.

    Many people fuk it up including myself until Todd clarified it. Its not fuking hard, just read the friggin rules.

    If one obtains the, " single entry, Non " O " type Visa biased on retirement within Thailand one must show 800 K in a Thai bank or 65000 per month in a pension fund in their bank book.

    If one obtains the Single entry Non O type visa based on retirement in their home country one does not need to have the 800 K in a Thai bank.

    If a person is an Australia or an American citizen they can then go to their embassy and sign a Stat Dec stating they have the required amount in their bank account.

    If you are not an Australian or a yank and will be applying for a Retirement visa you must show the money in a Thai bank account.

    Its not that fooking hard, just read the posts EH.

    In plain English, if you are not an Australian or a Yank you must have the 800K in a Thai bank to get the retirement Visa.
    Terry; your better off not telling people anything;
    this is way off;

    You get a single entry non o visa outside Thailand for reason of retirement, YOU do not need show money in any bank, ONLY when you go d othe EXTENSION do u need show money in the bank

    The us statement says u make $xxx /month NOT how much u have in your bank

    If ur American or ANYONE you do not need 800,000 in the bank
    that is ONE way to get the extension

    you can also get one if u have an income of 66,000++baht/month
    or a COMBINATION of the two

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