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    Multiple Non immigrant type 'o'( requirements)

    Is it still possible to get that from savanakhet?

    what's required?

    married with kids and can provide all documents,

    currently Marriage visa,

    Thanks in advance, will return later to distribute the greens.

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    Savannakhet is easily the most "user friendly" Thai consulate issuing year long multi entry Non-O visas to foreigners based on marriage to a Thai national. They don't care about you having half thai kids; mostly because the fact you're listed on their birth certificate doesn't give you ANY parental rights or the ability to use them as a means to stay here. To get parental rights assigned to you is done only by court order. Anyway,

    You will need;
    • The application that the Savannakhet Thai Consulate uses for for the visa and a photo
    • The originals and copies of Kor Ror 2 & 3 (those are the documents you got from the Amphur when you registered the marriage), signed by you and your wife
    • A copy of your thai wife's I/D card (front & back) signed by your wife
    • A copy of your wife's house book called the Tabien Baan (ทะเบียนบ้าน) showing her name on it signed by your wife.
    • A letter from your wife asking the consulate to issue you this visa (not always required but can't hurt).
    That's it, they don't require ANY financial proof at all. I think it's 5000K baht for the visa there. They also have "same day service" now. You turn in the app in the morning and pick up your passport with the visa in it in the afternoon.

    This one requires you to border run every 90 days to get another 90 day permission to stay stamp but if you play the dates right it's good for almost 15 months in country.
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    I just got a single entry non-o based on having children (not married) here from Vientiane.

    They would only give me a single entry (90 days).

    I know I can extend for 60 days when that's up and then do it all again, but the guy at the embassy gave me a piece of paper which had a flow chart showing how to convert this into a 1 year non o.

    It says.

    Now I should go to Chaengwattana and

    1: Fill in form TM.7
    2: Provide copy of passport
    3: Proof of family relationship e.g birth certificate

    Then...

    "Extension Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 1 year at a time"

    Then..

    1: Apply for Re-Entry (before leaving the Kingdom) Single or Multiple Re-Entry - (Form TM.8)
    2: Then notify my address every 90 days. (Form TM.47)

    Not extremely clear but I think I get the main idea.

    Does this make sense to you Tod?
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    Got a multi-entry non o about 2 and half months ago in Savanakhet. Showed everything that Todd said except the letter from the wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post
    I just got a single entry non-o based on having children (not married) here from Vientiane.

    They would only give me a single entry (90 days).

    I know I can extend for 60 days when that's up and then do it all again, but the guy at the embassy gave me a piece of paper which had a flow chart showing how to convert this into a 1 year non o.

    It says.

    Now I should go to Chaengwattana and

    1: Fill in form TM.7
    2: Provide copy of passport
    3: Proof of family relationship e.g birth certificate

    Then...

    "Extension Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 1 year at a time"

    Then..

    1: Apply for Re-Entry (before leaving the Kingdom) Single or Multiple Re-Entry - (Form TM.8)
    2: Then notify my address every 90 days. (Form TM.47)

    Not extremely clear but I think I get the main idea.

    Does this make sense to you Tod?
    That's a yes and no one, think they are talking about child support extension.
    400,000 in the bank for one day, no seeding period.
    Phi Bun used to give them out, change of management, different policy. If married only spouse extension, if separated, divorced, you need a letter from the courts proving you support the child.

    Different offices different interpretations, worth a try though. Jim

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    ^We'll see what happens.

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    Albert Shagnastier; I coulda told you they wouldn't give a year long multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type-O at Savannakhet for having half thai kids. I don't recall ever reading that they would. Most people got what you did, a single entry 90 day Non-O.

    This is the translation from Tilleke & Gibbins for the Royal Thai Police Order 777/2551 which is followed now.
    Here's the section which pertains to you applying for a yearly extension of stay based on being the father of half-thai kidz.

    2.18 In the case of being a family member of a Thai national (applicable only to parents, spouse, children, adopted children, or spouse's children): Each permission shall be granted for no more than one year.
    (1) The alien must have been granted a Non Immigrant Visa (NON-IM)
    (2) The alien must have proof of relationship
    (3) In case of spouse, the relationship must be de jure and de facto; or
    (4) In the case of children, adopted children, or spouse's children, said children, adopted children or spouse's children must not be married, must live with the alien as part of the family and must not be over 20 years of age; or
    (5) In the case of parents, the father or mother must maintain an average annual income of no less than Baht 40,000 per month throughout the year or must have deposited funds of no less than Baht 400,000 to cover expenses for one year
    For other necessary cases, the Commissioner or Deputy Commissioner of Immigration Bureau is granted the authority to make decisions regarding approval on a case by case basis.
    Here's the thai version of the same thing. When there's ambiguity in the english, Immigrations ALWAYS uses the thai version, so have a thai read it for you. (Although I can read thai just fine and it's really pretty darned close to the Tilleke & Gibbins version.
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    ให้อนุญาตครั้งละไม่เกิน ๑ ปี
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    (๓) กรณีคู่สมรสต้องมีความสัมพันธ์กันทั้งทางนิตินัยและพ ฤตินัย หรือ
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    ไม่ได้สมรส และอยู่อาศัยเป็นส่วนแห่งครัวเรือนนั้น และต้องมีอายุไม่เกิน ๒๐ ปี
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    ๔๐,๐๐๐ บาท หรือต้องมีเงินฝากไม่น้อยกว่า
    ๔๐๐,๐๐๐ บาท เพื่อไว้ใช้จ่ายในรอบ ๑ ปี
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    Reading either of them it would appear that "jamescollister" is correct; there is NO mention of seasoning of the 400K baht. Also, there is no requirement showing you went thru the court system and got parental rights granted.

    It seems is all you need is the birth certificate, listing you as the father. If I was a betting man I'd probably say you would need their mother's I/D card, the Tabien Baan listing the mother and kids address AND that it matches your address but that's just a guess. I've never shepherded an acquaintance thru Immigrations getting a yearly extension of stay bases solely on having kids but not being married to thai.

    I am heading out to Chaengwattana at the beginning of the week and I'll ask if what I outlined is correct and report back what I find out.

    It'd be good info for me to know anyway. . .

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    Thanks for the info Tod - much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    I am heading out to Chaengwattana at the beginning of the week and I'll ask if what I outlined is correct and report back what I find out.
    Tod, I too would be very interested to read your report of your visit to Chaengwattana

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    No money requirements there nor the embassy letter. Drop off in the morning and collect the following afternoon. Piece of cake.

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    "coolhandluke" your cryptic bit 'o wisdom is for exactly what type of visa, gotten where?

    A little more information would go a lot further than your assurance it's a "piece of cake".

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels View Post
    "coolhandluke" your cryptic bit 'o wisdom is for exactly what type of visa, gotten where?

    A little more information would go a lot further than your assurance it's a "piece of cake".
    Sorry. Type 'O' based up being married.

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    As I have said for quite a while. Foreigners married to thai nationals who want a solution to stay in thailand but don't meet the financial requirements for a yearly extension of stay inside the country should go to to the Thai consulate in Savannakhet Lao. It's across the river from Mukdahan Thailand. .

    They now offer same day service; drop it off in the morning and pick it up in the afternoon. A year long multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type-O visa is 5000 baht I think.

    That lets you stay in thailand for 90 days at a time, border hop and activate another 90 day permission to stay, You can stay almost 15 months in thailand if you time the dates you run-4-the-border.

    The criteria is minimal, and right now it's to GO-2 place.

    I'd wager that they are not gonna be a soft touch like this for a lot longer. They're getting totally hammered due to the visa exempt changes here, so if you're needing a visa like that, get after it!

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    Sorry guys, I can't remember where I said I was going to scope out how to get a yearly extension of stay IF you have a half thai child but aren't married to the mother..


    Here's the pic of the requirements;


    This is what I found out;
    If you are wanting to secure a yearly extension of stay based on being the father of thai kids but not married, you can either have the 400K banked in an account in your name only here in Thailand OR proof of 40K baht a month income OR minimum 400K baht balance by the "embassy letter".

    You'll also need the original birth certificate and a copy of it, the copy of the page which has the child listed in the Thabien Baan (house book), the page which lists the mother, a picture of you, your child's mother and the child standing in front of your address numbers, a map to your house AND a certified copy from the Amphur showing an extract from their ledger where they register births. It's just a copy of the notation on a ledger showing the name, date, time when the birth was registered at the Amphur. It also has the stamp from the Amphur showing it's a real copy. You also have to take your child and your child's mother with you.

    Unfortunately the jury is out about them accepting the embassy letter w/out any bank statements to back it up. Some were of the mind that if you already had a single entry Non-O and were after just a yearly extension of stay, you didn't need it.

    If that's the case I'd say hoof-it to Savannakhet and get a single entry 90 day Non-O first based on having a half thai child, then get the yearly extension of stay when that winds down, because that way you sure don't need to prove the amount you list on the embassy letter.

    Now if you're gonna apply for a Non-O visa HERE at Bangkok Immigrations and go the embassy letter route you're gonna hafta show proof that the number you put on the letter is real (bank statements, etc). That area at Chaengwattana which issues those is area "C" and they're hard as nailz about it. They'll take it under review for 2 weeks, then you go back get the single entry 90 day Non-O stamped into your passport along with a new "permission to stay until stamp". When that winds down to 30 days or less you go back out with a new "embassy letter" and apply for a yearly extension of stay.

    If you go this route you're also going to need double the documentation (once when you apply for the Non-O single entry) and once again when you apply for the yearly extension of stay, AND you're gonna hafta take your child and the child's mother with you both times too. (You won't have to take them when you go back after the 2 week review period and get the Non-O stamped into your passport, just when you apply for the Non-O and again when you apply for the year's extension of stay)

    Guys, honestly, that's the best I can do. I know it's sorta convoluted and really I'm sorry for that.

    As I said, I've never done a yearly extension of stay OR applied for a single entry Non-O visa inside the country based on a foreigner having a half thai child. It took me spending a good couple hours out there today talking to 4 different people in three areas AND the customer information manager to get the information I got.

    Hope it helps.
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    P/S; if this was the wrong thread, I'm really sorry about that... If anyone wants the thai or the english full size pix I took of the requirements send me a P/M..

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    The child extension of stay seems very local interpretation based.
    My kids were born in Australia, births registered, Thai consulate Canberra, birth certs issued by them.
    Thai passports issued Ubon, Phi Bun immigration advised me to get a child support extension of stay, piece of cake, 400,000 in the bank, one day, no questions about where the money came from, no need for lots of paper work.
    Year later, new boss, different rules, same laws, go figure. Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels View Post
    Sorry guys, I can't remember where I said I was going to scope out how to get a yearly extension of stay IF you have a half thai child but aren't married to the mother..


    Here's the pic of the requirements;


    This is what I found out;
    If you are wanting to secure a yearly extension of stay based on being the father of thai kids but not married, you can either have the 400K banked in an account in your name only here in Thailand OR proof of 40K baht a month income OR minimum 400K baht balance by the "embassy letter".

    You'll also need the original birth certificate and a copy of it, the copy of the page which has the child listed in the Thabien Baan (house book), the page which lists the mother, a picture of you, your child's mother and the child standing in front of your address numbers, a map to your house AND a certified copy from the Amphur showing an extract from their ledger where they register births. It's just a copy of the notation on a ledger showing the name, date, time when the birth was registered at the Amphur. It also has the stamp from the Amphur showing it's a real copy. You also have to take your child and your child's mother with you.

    Unfortunately the jury is out about them accepting the embassy letter w/out any bank statements to back it up. Some were of the mind that if you already had a single entry Non-O and were after just a yearly extension of stay, you didn't need it.

    If that's the case I'd say hoof-it to Savannakhet and get a single entry 90 day Non-O first based on having a half thai child, then get the yearly extension of stay when that winds down, because that way you sure don't need to prove the amount you list on the embassy letter.

    Now if you're gonna apply for a Non-O visa HERE at Bangkok Immigrations and go the embassy letter route you're gonna hafta show proof that the number you put on the letter is real (bank statements, etc). That area at Chaengwattana which issues those is area "C" and they're hard as nailz about it. They'll take it under review for 2 weeks, then you go back get the single entry 90 day Non-O stamped into your passport along with a new "permission to stay until stamp". When that winds down to 30 days or less you go back out with a new "embassy letter" and apply for a yearly extension of stay.

    If you go this route you're also going to need double the documentation (once when you apply for the Non-O single entry) and once again when you apply for the yearly extension of stay, AND you're gonna hafta take your child and the child's mother with you both times too. (You won't have to take them when you go back after the 2 week review period and get the Non-O stamped into your passport, just when you apply for the Non-O and again when you apply for the year's extension of stay)

    Guys, honestly, that's the best I can do. I know it's sorta convoluted and really I'm sorry for that.

    As I said, I've never done a yearly extension of stay OR applied for a single entry Non-O visa inside the country based on a foreigner having a half thai child. It took me spending a good couple hours out there today talking to 4 different people in three areas AND the customer information manager to get the information I got.

    Hope it helps.
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    P/S; if this was the wrong thread, I'm really sorry about that... If anyone wants the thai or the english full size pix I took of the requirements send me a P/M..
    Thanks for taking the time Tod - great information.

    I just got a single o from Vientienne and will be doing this in the next few months and post back how it goes.

    Once again - much appreciated.

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    Tod,
    I can only reiterate what Albert has posted.

    Many thanks indeed

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    Believe me it's not a problem to post information about how foreigners can stay here who have "thaiz" err I mean ties to this country.

    I didn't know how to do it, because I never did it. I thought I'd go find out and I gave it the college try sussing out what's what as well as what the different areas out at Immigrations wanted concerning documentation and how they wanted it handed to them, etc.

    Now all I need is a "test case" to see if it really flies and I can add it to my files of "in Bangkok this works for this visa extension".

    Honestly, I am an asshole, I'm hard core and I don't take shit off people, but really it's no problem sharing information. I think a person could take what I've posted and fly themselves thru the process, with very little hiccups.

    In the 10+ years I've been in this country I've learned one thing; knowledge is power! If you know how to do something you can.

    The more we know, the better we can work within their system to stay here.

    Good luck you guyz
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    I've got a quick question for yer...

    In the past, I've had a 12-month multi-entry O visa (from the Hull consulate), based on purely my spouse status... I don't think they even looked at my finances at all (maybe something's changed since then?).

    I'm wondering, what are the options for getting a weeny long non-imm o visa? Can you get longer than a year?
    If you want to change to a visa for work (such as a b visa to work for your thai family's company or a teacher visa), is that simple and cheap or complicated and expensive?

    Playing along with the "dual thai citizenship" thing, which if true, would obviously make life easier, are there things to do or avoid in terms of your sequence of visas in the build-up to such an application, worth thinking about?

    I'm not trolling btw, just actually fishing for things to check up on.
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    I believe that multi-entry visas are no longer issued by the Consulates in the UK. This is regardless of the class of visa. Hull have not updated rheir site to reflect this change.

    Cardiff have updated theirs -

    Welcome to the Royal Thai Consulate, Cardiff

    as have Liverpool

    http://www.royalthaiconsul.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo View Post
    I've got a quick question for yer...
    Digby Fantona is correct, you're not gonna pull a year-long, multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type O visa from Hull. You go to London to get them now. You're not able to get them from most of the honorary consulates in the US either. Multi-entry visas (of any type) now can only be had from the thai consulates in New York, Washington DC, LA or Chicago.

    Inside the country there is NO extension of stay for any reason that is longer than a year. Outside the country if you're wanting a visa based on marriage to a thai All you're gonna get is either a year-long, multi-entry Non-immigrant O visa <-where you border-bounce every 90 days. The other option is to apply for a yearly extension of stay inside thailand at the immigration office.

    Honestly now, if I was wanting a year-long, multi-entry Non-O based on marriage to a thai I wouldn't fool with ANY consulate in the west. I'd go to the thai consulate in Savannakhet. Hands down they're the easiest thai consulate to get that visa from.

    FWIW: if you have a Non-O visa OR an extension of stay based on marriage to a thai you can get a work permit and work here.

    To get on the "naturalized thai" train you'd need unbroken "yearly extensions of stays" NOT year-long, multi-entry visas where you leave every 90 days <-those don't count.

    You'd also need to legally work here, pay and file taxes etc along with a plethora of other things..

    Good luck

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    Todd, I currently have a 1 year Non-Immigrant O visa based on marriage to a Thai that I obtained from LA last August. I plan to do a border bounce a couple of weeks before expiration to give myself another 90 days. Would it be wiser to head for Savannakhet and obtain a new visa, or go to immigration here for an extension on my current visa? I would prefer the former. Hopefully Savannakhet will not change their position between now and next year, or anytime for that matter.

    I would apply for an extension in Udon Thani where I find immigration a bit difficult depending on who I talk to.

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    rickschoppers; I have no idea if Savannakhet is gonna change their requirements as far as that year-long, multi-entry Non-O based on marriage. Right now they're the only one that'll issue it with NO finances (Penang used to but now won't without proof of the money). The Non-O based on marriage to a thai is the ONLY one they'll issue as year-long, multi-entry, all the rest of the reasons (over 50, raising kids, volunteering, etc) only get a 90 day single entry.

    It's totally up to you whether you apply for a yearly extension of stay based on marriage at your immigration office OR if you go to Savannakhet and pull another year-long multi-entry Non-O.

    That visa in Savannakhet is 5000baht, where as an extension of stay & a multi-entry permit is 5700baht. <- Plus that extension takes a pile-'o-paperwork, has a 30 day under-consideration wait, and possibly a home visit from the immigration officers to verify you're really married and living together. True with the multi-entry Non-O you border-bounce every 90 days to get another 90 day stamp, so there's the cost of a visa to another country, travel time etc to factor in, but all in all it's a pretty trouble-free visa to hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    I would apply for an extension in Udon Thani where I find immigration a bit difficult depending on who I talk to.
    I appreciate that your question was aimed specifically at Todd but he has answered it already. Assuming that you have a long term commitment to Thailand, there really is no need to seek "fresh" visas every year and the way to go is by extension.

    In my own case I have two options - marriage or retirement. I can decide which to side with when I get to Thailand. I don't know what the situation is for American citizens but I know that I can get an O visa to enter the Kingdom at my local Thai Consulate simply by showing that I am in receipt of a state pension. That will get me into the country then I need to open a bank account, transfer funds and go through the process of "extension", marriage or retirement.

    By doing as Todd implies in his previous reply you might well find yourself in a position when you could apply for permanent residency. This could never be achieved if you continued the current practice of obtaining "fresh" visas every year.

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