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    Tod what is this Hotloine we --my wife and I would like to have a go with it

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    Tod, I think in many instances the Immigration officers don't know whats required officially.
    Been going to the Immigration office in Chiang Saen for my 90 day reports for almost a year now. No problems until this weeks trip. "We don't do the 90 day reports here any longer, only the first one. Now you must go to Mae Sai."
    No problem in Mae Sai. Must be the new government that has all the Immigration offices running scared?
    Tried to get a letter of Residence as well for the transfer of a auto sale to a Bangkok buyer. Got the 11 mile stare and a compliment, "handsome man," she said.
    The wife got an official residence registration after that exchange. WTF?
    Toyota is still dicking about trying to figure out how to transfer vehicle ownership from me to them or a third party buyer not necessarily living in Thailand? this is the part of the problem they are reselling outside Thailand. Second problem obvious, they don't know whats required, but I must go to Immigration to get a proper paper stating my residence location? Again WTF? Last part of this fiasco, the requirement is strictly dealing within the Department of Transportation IMO, and they should have had me sign a transfer on the blue book when traded in. Toyota Chiang Rai is now asking Toyota Bangkok to return the Blue Book for necessary signatures and Transportation Department requirements.

    Every government agency in Thailand is a complete fuck around and its not going to change. Least not to leave the private sector in Thailand out, but the screwing around does not end with ferangs alone.

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    Thai consul in Adelaide told me today - go for marriage visa not retirement.

    I just need to supply marriage certificate with translation, copy of wife's house book and good to go - will be issued in Oz.

    She said the paperwork required was far less onerous than retirement visa.

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    ^ That'll be until you get over here and extend!

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    The Thai Government hotline is 1111 and Thai Immigrations hotline is 1178. Either will direct the call to the right person.

    Even though I've been to Bangkok Immigrations probably 200 times in the 5+ years I've been shepherding acquaintances thru the extension process, I still ALWAYS take the Thai version of Police Order governing what ever extension I'm goin' for AND the hand outs they have at the Customer Service Counter which outlines both the process and the paperwork required. They follow them pretty much to the letter.

    "ltnt": I dunno if you have it, but here's a copy of the Residence Certificate Application you fill out in Bangkok. Seeing as it's not addressed to anyone I'd imagine they use it country wide, but this being thailand I dunno. They mail you a letter stating you live here about a week later via EMS.

    Here in Bangkok, they'll only do one for you if you're on an extension of stay and do 90 day reporting.

    Iceman;
    I think the Adelaide consulate got their wires crossed. They were thinking you wanted a Non-Immigrant Type-OA visa which is also called a "long stay" visa. That's the one which requires the police clearance background check, the hospital physical, etc.

    What I imagine they're gonna give you for being married to a Thai is probably a year long multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type-O visa. That visa will let you stay 90 days at at time, then you run-4-the-border exit/reenter and get another 90 days.

    You could ask them for just a single entry Non-Immigrant Type-O based on marriage to a thai (or being old enough to apply for an extension based on retirement inside Thailand) and then apply for a yearly extension of stay at your local Immigrations Office when you have 30 days left on your permission to stay stamp.
    "Whoever said `Money can`t buy you love or joy` obviously was not making enough money." <- quote by Gene $immon$ of the rock group KISS

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    Tod, I downloaded a different version of the same thing. Interesting no official form number? My version had the official Thai Seal at the top as well. Officials at Immigration could care less. Not interested in auto transfers, go to Thailand Transportation office I was told. Same statement made to Toyota Dealer rep. as well. My form is called: Application Form For Residence Certificate In Thailand.

    Statement same with new address or official address of applicant, as wel statement that "I wish to apply for residence certificate and the following reason: Drivers license box, and box other, where I stated "Car transfer of ownership."

    No official form number simply the National Thai official logo.
    Thanks I'll download your form for future use if need be.

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    Visa based on marriage to Retirement and back

    Well the time came. I went for my 1st retirement visa instead of the visa based on marriage...OMG was that easy, simple, and the officer even talked to me since I was the only one sitting at her desk.

    It was a great experience....now I see what you all mean...thanks!

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    The main reason Immigrations tries to shoe-horn people who are married to thai nationals into an extension of stay based on being over 50 ('retirement') instead of marriage IS pure laziness on their part, nothing more.

    In theory during the 30 day "under review" period for yearly extensions of stay based on marriage they (immigrations) is supposed to show up at your house and really check to see if you're married to who ever you say you are.

    The extension of stay based on being over 50 is granted right on the spot, no review, no waiting and it's the least work an immigrations officer has to do compared to marriage or supporting half-thai kids extensions..

    In anecdotal and only semi-related news; IF you've applied for a yearly extension of stay based on marriage at Chaengwattana and you're going back after the 30 day under review period, get a queue number for section "L", but DON'T wait for it to be called!

    Instead go right to the first cubby hole err cubicle as you enter the section where there's a sign saying "results" and show the gurl there you're receipt. She'll dig out your file and process the extension.

    I watched a guy who didn't know what to do sit and wait for almost 2 hours before his queue number was called only for him to be sent to that cubby for the results!

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    Hey Tod, what's your take on farang females, married to a Thai males, not having to show monies in the bank? There's no way the cnut of a Thai male, where I live, supports his wife.

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    Yeah, that always struck me as strange too.

    If a foreign gurl marries a thai guy they hafta show nothing in the bank.

    Then again on the occasions where I've met foreign women married to thai guyz (especially foreign white women), they seem to be not your stereo-typical thai guy, well off, good job, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    If a foreign gurl marries a thai guy they hafta show nothing in the bank.
    Strange also that a male with a Thai wife, and 3 kids, only has to show 400K in the bank. Whereas a single male, retired, has to show 800K. I'd have thought it to be the other way around?

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    There you go "ltnt" and others; looking for logic where there is NONE to be had.

    Not to mention over estimating your own self importance here to anyone other than the passle 'o thaiz who's existence you offset! You me and every other foreigner here isn't nearly as important in the eyez of the thaiz as we imagine ourselves to be.

    To counter your points;
    • Pay into the economy in what seems to be greater amounts than Thais - you could live like a thai lives
    • provide jobs - you could do work yourself
    • nice houses - you could live in a shack
    • cars - buy a second hand moto cy or borrow one like the thaiz
    • provide education for our children and sometimes children not ours - send 'em to government school for free
    • support for extended family's and workers - have the thaiz work for money like the rest of the people in the world.
    Every one of the things you outlined are personal choices YOU make in regards to those decisions, no one's twistin' your arm to do it the way you are and not one single thai is gonna say "good job, way to man up".

    It's all on you I'm afraid. As Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz movie said to her dog; "I don't think we're in Kansas anymore Toto".

    Then again if you're married to a thai woman, after three years of unbroken extensions of stay, working legally with a work permit and paying into the tax system you can apply for thai citizenship and "become card carrying thai" yourself!

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    KHON KAEN:-- A study recently carried out by Khon Kaen University has found that foreign men who are married to women from Isaan have boosted gross domestic product in the region by almost 9 billion baht.

    The findings of the study, which looked at the impact foreign husbands have on the economy in the north east of Thailand were unveiled by Asst Prof Kalapapruek Piwthongngam, from the Faculty of Management Science at the E-saan Centre for Business and Economic Research, reports Daily News Online.

    According to the study, after a woman from north east Thailand gets married to or engages in a long term relationship with a foreigner, on average she will normally send approximately 9,600 Baht per month back to her family in the region. This money is normally used to help the family with living expenses, purchasing food, paying for utility bills and education.

    The study also found that on average, the wife and foreign husband will normally return to the wifes family home in the region at least once a year, sometimes staying for as long as one month, which results in a dramatic increase in financial spending in the local area.

    This increase in spending is mostly seen in the automotive, retail and wholesale sectors, as well as in the local property market. The purchase of household goods, personal items and gold also normally increase during this time.

    The E-saan Centre for Business and Economic Research also estimated that this spending helped to create nearly 747,000 jobs in the region.

    The centre found that increasingly more women aged between 20 and 40 years old from the north east are marrying foreign men, with a definite trend developing, according to Asst Prof Kalapapruek.

    The study found that most foreign men marrying women from north east Thailand came from the United Kingdom, Netherlands, Germany, Sweden and Switzerland.
    Farang husbands providing massive boost to Isaan economy - Isaan Forum - Thailand Forum

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    Pragmatic:
    As was posted on another forum by someone who cared far more about this totally b/s news than I do; Here's a reality check...
    As for the contribution foreigners make to the Isaan economy, we'd need to see what the GDP is for that area in order to determine if this amount represents that large of a contribution. I recall crunching some numbers not long ago to try and determine the overall contribution "long term" stayers had on the Thai economy as a whole, and it turns out they were nowhere near the "economic" force they thought they were.

    9 billion is a large number of course, but needs to be taken in context. For example "Although Isaan accounts for around a third of Thailand’s population and a third of its area, it produces only 8.9% of GDP. Its economy grew at 6.2% per annum during the 1990s."

    The latest numbers I see show the Thai GDP as - THB11.375 trillion (USD366 billion)(2012). If you attribute 10% of that to coming from Isaan that means the whole contribution from the region is about 1.14 trillion.

    9 billion from foreigners would represent about 0.79 % of that total.

    To put it another way, Isaan has a population of approx 22 million. 9 billion would equal about 410 baht per person (per year). Not exactly earth-shattering.
    Foreigners married to Isaanites help no doubt about it. But there you go again believing b/s news AND putting way too much importance on your contributions to the in-lawz and out-lawz which comprise the extended thai family whose existence you offset up in Nakhon Nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels View Post
    The Thai Government hotline is 1111 and Thai Immigrations hotline is 1178. Either will direct the call to the right person.

    Even though I've been to Bangkok Immigrations probably 200 times in the 5+ years I've been shepherding acquaintances thru the extension process, I still ALWAYS take the Thai version of Police Order governing what ever extension I'm goin' for AND the hand outs they have at the Customer Service Counter which outlines both the process and the paperwork required. They follow them pretty much to the letter.

    "ltnt": I dunno if you have it, but here's a copy of the Residence Certificate Application you fill out in Bangkok. Seeing as it's not addressed to anyone I'd imagine they use it country wide, but this being thailand I dunno. They mail you a letter stating you live here about a week later via EMS.

    Here in Bangkok, they'll only do one for you if you're on an extension of stay and do 90 day reporting.

    Iceman;
    I think the Adelaide consulate got their wires crossed. They were thinking you wanted a Non-Immigrant Type-OA visa which is also called a "long stay" visa. That's the one which requires the police clearance background check, the hospital physical, etc.

    What I imagine they're gonna give you for being married to a Thai is probably a year long multi-entry Non-Immigrant Type-O visa. That visa will let you stay 90 days at at time, then you run-4-the-border exit/reenter and get another 90 days.

    You could ask them for just a single entry Non-Immigrant Type-O based on marriage to a thai (or being old enough to apply for an extension based on retirement inside Thailand) and then apply for a yearly extension of stay at your local Immigrations Office when you have 30 days left on your permission to stay stamp.
    Todd,

    Do you happen to know when you go out for another 90 day stamp, can you go across the border and then just turn back around and come back into Thailand without exiting for 24 hours? I have heard both and will be going across the Thai/Lao border on Tuesday for another 90 day stamp for my 1 year multiple entry O visa. I have obtained many 90 day stamps before in the past in Nong Khai, but have always spent the night in Lao. This time, I prefer to come right back in. Thanks
    Last edited by rickschoppers; 08-11-2014 at 03:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Todd,

    Do you happen to know when you go out for another 90 day stamp, can you go across the border and then just turn back around and come back into Thailand without exiting for 24 hours? I have heard both and will be going across the Thai/Lao border on Tuesday for another 90 day stamp for my 1 year multiple entry O visa. I have obtained many 90 day stamps before in the past in Nong Khai, but have always spent the night in Lao. This time, I prefer to come right back in. Thanks
    Hi,
    There is NO rule about how long you "must be outta Thailand".. The only thing is you MUST have an entry/exit stamp from what ever country you cross into.

    You can't just stamp outta thailand turn around and walk back in without entering and exiting the country which borders wherever you're leaving thailand.

    You're crossin' into Lao so it won't matter, but anecdotally I was told by someone, there is a rule in Cambodia which says you'll spend at least 24 hours in the country when you buy a visa and enter via a land border. Sometimes that's why they try to jack up the price. I dunno if it's true or not, as I haven't had to "run-4-the-border" in quite a number of years now..

    Good Luck..

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    Thanks Todd. I will find out on Tuesday. Obviously, I will have to buy a Lao visa to exit the border immigration and walk back across to the exit area. I never have had a Thai officer look at my Lao visa, but I do need the exit stamp on the Lao visa to reach the Thai side. That would be the only point where they can say I have to stay at least 24 hours.

    I think it is still up to the Lao immigration officer and I am hoping they do not change their regs as often as the Thais do.

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    The Thai consulate in Savannakhet Lao offers same day visa service for thai visas. I've sent quite a lotta people there who cross in the morning, get their thai visa and high tail it outta Lao that same afternoon!

    I don't think Lao has any rule about it. You just need the entry/exit stamp from them to get back into Thailand is all.

    Lao Passport control at the border doesn't care, I mean you already bought a visa to their country! I'd bet dollars to donuts they won't say a word to you.

    You certainly ain't the first "border-bouncer" to ever enter/exit their country to further your stay in thailand!

    Do report back, just so we know what's what though okay?

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    Will do.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    But there you go again believing b/s news AND putting way too much importance on your contributions to the in-lawz and out-lawz which comprise the extended thai family whose existence you offset up in Nakhon Nowhere.
    You know fcuk all about me and yet you throw criticism my way. First you say I shouldn't take my wife with me when I renew my Retirement Extension/Visa.
    There's not a single reason you could give me for luggin' her along.
    I gave you a justified reason.
    And now you claim I pay contributions to the 'in-lawz and out-lawz'. As I said 'you know fcuk all about me'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    According to the study, after a woman from north east Thailand gets married to or engages in a long term relationship with a foreigner, on average she will normally send approximately 9,600 Baht per month back to her family in the region. This money is normally used to help the family with living expenses, purchasing food, paying for utility bills and education.
    I assume the typical north east Thai families response to this is "Where do I sign my daughter up?"


    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Pragmatic again.
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    Now, now "Pragmatic" don't get your panties wadded up so tightly. It can cut off the circulation to your. . . Well, let's just skip what the down side to getting your panties wound too tightly can do to your nether regions, shall we?

    True I "don't know jack" about you and yourz. I'm simply goin' by the possibly thousands (okay at least several hundreds) of foreign guys married to thai gurls I've met who end up supporting the in-lawz and out-lawz in various "get rich slow" or "not get rich at all" schemes, while having it pawned off as "thai culture" to them! You may or may NOT resemble the above, as I said I dunno you from Somchai!

    I still am of the mind that there isn't a valid reason to take your thai wife to immigrations when getting an extension of stay simply by being over 50, aka; "retirement".

    I have found immigrations isn't impressed you've managed to A) marry a thai, or B) have half thai children by her either, ESPECIALLY when you're getting an extension of stay totally unrelated to either A or B. I am speaking from personal experience that IMHO, it cuts no ice with them. You have your reasons, I have my "no-tag-along-thaiz" policy on retirement extensions of stay. So on this point of contention; let's just agree to disagree, okay?

    Whew, I thought the wording under your user name was "Thai Expert", then I really looked and saw it just said "Thai Expat", you really had me goin' for a second ..

    In other news; anything from "rickschopper" on whether he was shanghaied into spending 24 hourz outta the glorious "Land 'O Thaiz"?? Enquiring minds want to know, or at least I do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    I still am of the mind that there isn't a valid reason to take your thai wife to immigrations when getting an extension of stay simply by being over 50, aka; "retirement".
    The reasons I took my wife and 3 kids with me was because it was school holidays and a trip to the border market, just down the road, after visiting the immigration office is a day out. Total round trip of about 220km.

    Why did I take them in the office with me? I can't very well leave them outside in the sun when they can just as easily sit in an aircon office. And no I don't need to impress the immigration staff by showing my family. May be that's the BKK way of things but out in the rural areas a little forward planning makes a better day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    I still am of the mind that there isn't a valid reason to take your thai wife to immigrations when getting an extension of stay simply by being over 50, aka; "retirement".
    The reasons I took my wife and 3 kids with me was because it was school holidays and a trip to the border market, just down the road, after visiting the immigration office is a day out. Total round trip of about 220km.

    Why did I take them in the office with me? I can't very well leave them outside in the sun when they can just as easily sit in an aircon office. And no I don't need to impress the immigration staff by showing my family. May be that's the BKK way of things but out in the rural areas a little forward planning makes a better day.
    Chances are the results will be the same regardless of where you're doing your business and who might be with you - solo, few friends, or accompanying family.

    Even though it might be officialdom business, it is still rather social in Thai eyes.

    I find it baffling that some [Farang] might make an issue of trivialities.
    Might derive from those whom don't have attached family nor keep a Thai social.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    I find it baffling that some [Farang] might make an issue of trivialities. Might derive from those whom don't have attached family nor keep a Thai social. __________________ สิ่งที่ไม่เคยสิ่งที่พวกเขาดูเหมือนจะเป็น
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