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    Question Any traps for the unwary?

    Any traps for the unwary?

    I have a multiple entry ED visa. I arrived about two weeks ago.
    Next week I plan on taking a 3 day trip DMG - PEN - DMG.
    I believe this should be straightforward.
    No need to get permits or whatever and when I return the 90 day period will start again.

    Have I got this right? Please comment.

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    Me guess is that ya 90 days started at first entry

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    If he leaves the country and re-enters then the 90 day clock starts again when he re-enters

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    Ensure the TM4 arrival/departure card, is secured to the passport. You will need it and the info it contains next time you do 90 day reporting.

    You will need form TM47 for 90 day reporting. You can download it here:
    Immigration Bureau

    Best advice is to go to the immigration office early, they open at 8.30 am. Dress tidy and sober and show due respect. Mondays and Fridays they are usually very busy.

    Good luck and enjoy your trip.
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    Thumbs up

    Thanks for confirming my understanding guys.
    I didn't realise the Immigration office opened at 0830. Handy to know.

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    Always check what they stamp in Passport at entrance before leaving the immigration counter.
    Some times they just take the wrong stamp ! Had this once...

    It's to late for a change if you walk away.

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    News Flash there "chassamui";
    If indeed the O/P; Nutznbolts has a "Multiple Entry Non-Immigrant Type-ED Visa". Which BTW; you can't get from a Thai Embassy in any neighboring S/E Asian countries...

    They don't EVER do 90 day reporting at Thai Immigrations inside the country. So the anecdotal advice from "chassamui" about the 90 day reporting form, the Departure Card number while interesting to some extent is useless for the O/P.

    That visa is good for one year from the date of issue. The holder must depart the country every 90 days because that type of visa is good for a maximum of 90 days in country at a time.

    If you play the dates right, as in exit just before the date in the box on which says "must be utilized by" or "must be used by", they'll get another 90 days. In essence you can get almost 15 months outta that type of visa.

    I just want to clarify, I am taking the O/P's statement that they indeed has a Multiple Entry Non-Immigrant Type-ED visa at face value. Those visas are usually secured in what ever country you're from before you wash up here in S/E Asia. As I said, few if any Thai consulates or embassy's in S/E Asia issue them. Instead they issue a Single Entry 90 day Non-Immigrant Type-ED visa..

    BTW; the ED in the Type-ED visa is for education....

    The other advice by "forreachingme" about checking the date that you're stamped in until when you re-enter the country is correct. In fact, I won't even budge off the desk at Passport Control in the airport until I make sure I've got the stamp for the correct "permission to stay until" date.

    Good Luck, check back in and let us know if you (the O/P) indeed have a multi-entry Non-ED visa. It'd have the date of issue and the "must be used by" date almost exactly a year apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    They don't EVER do 90 day reporting at Thai Immigrations inside the country. So the anecdotal advice from "chassamui" about the 90 day reporting form, the Departure Card number while interesting to some extent is useless for the O/P.
    I came here on a one year Non immi O type multi entry visa. I was stll required to report to immigration every 90 days. my visa was obtained from a Thai consulate.
    If his Ed visa requires him to leave the country every 90 days he will still need proof of the means that he entered the country.
    90 day reporting merely confirms your current address.

    Was it your intention to help the OP or insult me? No need to be nasty.

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    "chassamui" I am not slamming you or your post; just saying your information may be of little relevance to the O/P.

    What I was trying to say is; if indeed the O/P has the visa he says he has, there's NO need for him to do "in country" extensions of stay period. He can "run-4-the-border" and get another 90 day permitted to stay until stamp for the duration of that visa.

    Plus, unless I'm mistaken, once you do an "in-country extension of stay", the multiple re-entry part of the original visa is voided. Or at least it has been explained to me by Thai Immigrations at Chaengwattana as being that way.

    The visa the O/P holds entitles them to be in the country for up to 90 days at a time, and then then exit, re-enter and get another 90 days. There is NO requirement to do 90 day reporting because he can't stay in the country longer than 90 days at a time on that visa, unless he does an in-country extension of stay, which sorta make the multiple entry non-ed visa not that good of a thing to have.

    Again, I'm not casting dispersions, err aspersions at your information, only saying it might not be relevant at all to the O/P's particular situation given the visa they have.

    I still have no idea how you came here on a one year multiple entry Non-O and had to do reporting. Unless you did an in country extension of stay, you couldn't have stayed longer than 90 days, and therefore don't report. I also have no idea about "proof of means that he entered the country", nor what confirming your address has to do with the O/P's situation..

    Sorry, maybe I'm thick or maybe you're explaining it in a way I can't wrap my head around it..

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    I think maybe both chassamui and toddaniels are right.
    After all 2 + 2 can seem to equal 176.333 in the kingdom. Of course, confusion and misunderstanding are part of the fun and frustration when dealing with people who speak a VERY different language and are not expert in English.

    In the spirit of doing something other than whinging, I decided to learn Thai.

    Some more info from me, might help.... or it might not. Mai pen rai.

    Yes, I am on a multiple entry ED (education) visa; issued in Sydney.

    Yes, I have had sincere people at the (BKK) language school and the SYD Thai consulate tell me both stories (90 day reporting and take a trip).

    Haven't come across this one though - Plus, unless I'm mistaken, once you do an "in-country extension of stay", the multiple re-entry part of the original visa is voided. Or at least it has been explained to me by Thai Immigrations at Chaengwattana as being that way.
    Thanks toddaniels for the heads up!

    I'm not concerned about either way, just leery of having to deal with a giant bureaucratic SNAFU.

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    Just an FYI;
    There are TONZ, as in a gazillion foreigners on ED visas in Bangokok. They parade out to Thai Immigrations at the Government Complex in Chaengwattana to extend their visas another 90 days using the paperwork provided by the school and the Ministry of Education.

    That area easily has the longest queue, and I know of some people who were there for 6+ hours just to get their 90 day extension for 1900baht each time.

    Seeing as you have a multi-entry non-ed visa you could "run-4-the-border" with any number of companies which lug people to the border and back for about 2k baht here in Bangkok. That's an all in price; transportation, meal, visa for the other country and they hold your hand thru the process.

    Don't forget once you get an in-country extension of stay (which will only be for another 90 days) you'll also have to do 90 day reporting, as you've been in-country longer than 90 days.

    Now while 90 day reporting is free, it still takes time to go thru the queue and get your receipt of reporting back.

    You can do your 90 day report up to 14 days early and 7 days late of your actual 90th day. BUT if you forget, and report a day later than the 7 day grace period, you are fined 2000 baht.

    Again I'm not tryin' to get into a pissing match with anyone; just pointing out the O/P has a visa which will let them stay in Thailand almost 15 months, without every having to go get an in-country extension of stay OR do a 90 day report. Those are the reasons a person usually gets that specific type of visa..

    At the end of the day it's up to the O/P if he wants to deal with Thai Immigrations and the paperwork required, or just run-4-the-border with a visa run company.

    Either way, good luck..

    Oh BTW: can you say where you're studying Thai and if you like it so far? I review Thai language schools in Bangkok and any info about them is always helpful.. You can send me a P/M if you don't wanna post it on the forum..

    Again, good luck...

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    No need to turn up at Immigration for the 90 Day Reporting. With each entry back to LOS, that takes care of the reporting requirement. Be aware of that date you last entered the country and didn't leave during a three month period because then you'll need to report.
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    Glad to comment on the language school, however.........it aint that simple.

    To have the visa paperwork delivered to Oz I gave the school staff a prepaid - self addressed EMS satchel.
    • I've used EMS before and found them reliable.
    • Prepaid.
    • I know my home address in Oz.
    • I can write my address.

    I work with risk management, so to me this arrangement should be successful. Right?

    Err no; no doubt for good but totally unfathomable reasons the school delayed sending the satchel to me for a month.
    Really deep breath here and kick a cat.
    That means I've missed the start of the classes.

    Hopefully, I'll begin classes in two weeks. Then I can comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutznbolts
    DMG - PEN - DMG.
    I think you mean DMK, Don Muang Airport.

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    Why not just look at your entry stamp.
    It will tell you when to get the f*ck out of Thailand.
    Simple innit ?

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    Red face

    Yep, I did mean DMK, Don Muang Airport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutznbolts
    Any traps for the unwary?
    100's - So be wary!

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    You will find most if not all Thai companies pretty sorry as far as timely response to emails, timely sending of documents, etc. It's the norm rather than the exception.

    Once in a great while I'll get a Thai company to respond to my email inquiry (which BTW: are written in Thai, so it ain't the language barrier holdin' 'em back). Often I'll call them, ask if they've gotten my email, which they say they have, then I'll ask why didn't you answer it? To a business, they always say, we knew you would call... Figures... I guess they got me trained now.

    Good Luck man, remember when you re-enter Thailand make sure you get another 90 days, and the people at Thai Passport control in the airport don't mistakenly stamp you in for 30 or 60 days.

    This actually happens so often that there's a counter at Thai Immigrations which does nothing but correct wrong stamps (for free); so check it before you walk away from the counter at Passport Control comin' in.

    Make sure to write your visa number on the TM.6 arrival card, and put it in the passport on the page where the visa is. This helps them so they don't screw up the stamp, sometimes..

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    Happy to report there were no problems, nothing unusual in the immigration process at DMK.
    Departure card was accepted without comment.
    Entry - departure was stamped in for another 90 days.
    In my experience DMK is so much better than BKK. So, thanks to Thai Immigration and to all who commented here.
    BTW, Penang was great.
    We went for my Hindu friend's son's wedding. Makes us anglos look very staid. Stayed at the Cheong Fatt Tze in Georgetown. Hmm, OK once, if you take the missus.
    Food was great, Red Garden, Kapital and a handful of vendors.

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