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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    I think the problem is with the airlines not immigration, Jim

    so that was not the overall answer
    That is a very good point, air lines work on different rules. Had problems with different carriers when the wife was expecting -[2 kids now ] some would carry others not.
    I probably didn't read the post properly. Jim

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    ^ fair enough

    what the airlines do is try not to get fined by the country they are flying into

    in addition, they may be forced to take the passenger back to where they came from

    this is why they make checks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    I think the problem is with the airlines not immigration, Jim

    so that was not the overall answer
    I think the answer is both, immigration can a problem for the airlines and the airlines don't want to let you cause that problem. This is what the thai mebassy in london say about the matter

    According to the Interior Ministerial Announcements dated 1 October B.E. 2545 (2002), 20 December B.E. 2545 (2002), 18 October B.E. 2547 (2004) and 6 May B.E. 2548 (2005), passport holders from 41 countries and 1 special administrative region - Hong Kong SAR - are not required to obtain a visa when entering Thailand for tourism purposes and will be permitted to stay in Thailand for a period not exceeding 30 days on each visit. If such foreigners enter Thailand at immigration checkpoints which border neighbouring countries (overland crossing), they will be allowed to stay for 15 days each time. The exemption to this is Malaysian nationals crossing overland from Malaysia who are granted a period of stay not exceeding 30 days each time.

    Foreigners who enter Thailand under the Tourist Visa Exemption category and would like to leave and re-enter may only stay for a cumulative duration which does not exceed 90 days and is within a 6-month period from the date of first entry. (Passport or travel document must be valid for at least 6 months after the date of first entry).

    Foreigners entering Thailand under the Tourist Visa Exemption category must provide proof of adequate finances for the duration of stay in Thailand at the port of entry (i.e., traveller’s cheque or cash equivalent to 10,000 Baht per person and 20,000 Baht per family).

    Foreigners entering Thailand by any means under the Tourist Visa Exemption category are required at the port of entry to have proof of onward travel (confirmed air, train, bus or boat tickets) to leave Thailand within 30 days of the arrival date (otherwise a tourist visa must be obtained).

    Please note that Tourist Visa Exemption only applies to foreigners holding passports issued by the countries listed below. Travel documents for aliens issued by these countries are not acceptable.
    And thats the problem. They want evidence you do not intend to overstay before they let you in on a visa exemption. reasonable enough. I think its an issue most airlines take seriously as every time I am returning to thailand without meeting this condition the airlines always have a good look for my visa.

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    The Travel Information Manual ( TIM )is the bible. It is updated annually in hard copy form and electronically to subscribing customers as and when countries alter their visa and passport policies.
    Any check in facility worth it's salt will have immediate access to it. However, in this age of electronic boarding pass issue 24 hours before travel it is possible to embark on one's journey at a regional airport making a direct transfer to the onward destination at the next connection port without actually having one 's passport properly scrutinised for any requisite visa. The boarding scrutiny itself is invariably a simple comparison between the bio data page and your face and confirmation of identity. So, it is possible to travel without a visa and still circumvent ticketing requirements.

    But I wouldn't want to bank on it. Every time I have travelled out of LHR and GTW check in or the baggage drop has made a point of verifying I hold a visa or that my itinerary provides for a departure from Thailand within 30 days yet at Bristol armed with an electronic boarding pass check in declined to even look at my passport saying it was unnecessary since I already had a pass and told me to proceed through security.

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    Last week I returned to LOS and for the first time in 12 years I was asked what my final destination was. BKK with them then on to Hat Yai. She then asked if I had a visa. I do. I questioned this and she said I would not have been allowed to board the flight with a 1 way ticket, no visa and no connecting flight in BKK to leave Thailand.

    Of course, I'd already flown from Aberdeen to Amsterdam to Moscow before this.

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    On all my recent travel to and from Argentina it's been cheaper to book R/T tickets than one way tickets.
    Where is the OP flying in from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by threestags View Post
    So providing you qualify for a visa on arrival then there is no problem as the airline has satisfied its obligations to the country in which the passenger disembarks.

    Not talking about a visa on arrival, the OP wants to enter on a visa exempt stamp.

    VOA BTW only gives you 15 day entry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbo View Post
    Hello guys,

    I am coming to Thailand from the USA WITHOUT a 60 day tourist visa because I will also book a trip to Angeles while in Bangkok and depart before day 30 when my visa upon arrival in Thailand expires.

    My question is Thai Immigration won't know that I am going to book the Angeles trip while in Bangkok and will only see my arrival day and my departure day roughly 75 days apart.

    Will this be ok with immigration???

    Thank you for any help,
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    Do the Phils side trip every time i go to Thailand avoiding the need to ever get a Thailand visa. Never a problem.

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    Thank you

    Thank you Lorenzo and all of the other posters. I appreciate the help. Lorenzo, I assume you book your Philippines side trip while in Bangkok?

    Dumbo

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    Yes book after arrival but could do anytime as I purchase online from either: Tiger Air, Cebu Pacific, Kuwait Air. Air Asia just bought Zest Air and I hear AIr Asia will fly Clark or Manila also. Cebu Pacific now flies BKK CEBU direct but pricy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Not talking about a visa on arrival, the OP wants to enter on a visa exempt stamp.

    VOA BTW only gives you 15 day entry.
    I've always been given 30 days on arrival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threestags
    I've always been given 30 days on arrival.
    So that's not a VOA

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    Quote Originally Posted by threestags View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Not talking about a visa on arrival, the OP wants to enter on a visa exempt stamp.

    VOA BTW only gives you 15 day entry.
    I've always been given 30 days on arrival.
    I suggest you go read up on the differences between visa exempt entry and visa on arrival.

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    30 days whenever you arrive by air, who gives a crap about the terminology

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorenzo View Post
    30 days whenever you arrive by air, who gives a crap about the terminology

    You will if you rock up to passport control and ask for a visa on arrival and they then give you 15 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by threestags
    I've always been given 30 days on arrival.
    So that's not a VOA
    Nope
    is a visa exempt

    Thing is terminology matters especially if ur from a country where u do not get a 30 day visa exempt and need to BUY a visa on arrival if its allowed.
    Since most of us are western we do not realize there are others not as lucky as us
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    Thai Visa on arrival

    I'm a little cloudy about your reference to departure 75 days after arrival - put that aside. You arrive in Thai, you obtain a 30 day visa, you depart before expiry: This is your legal responsibility and obligation under the terms of the 'on arrival visa'. Immigration, as a rule, and unless you are on a 'black' list, are not interested in your future movements.

    Incidentally, I noticed a few comments about 'one-way tickets. I can only speak for Oz. It is not the responsibility of airline check-in staff you have a return ticket, this absolute. However uninformed/poorly trained staff may pull you up on it. I have personally experienced this with Jetstar, Melbourne, with a 60 day visa, and it was a case of politely and firmluy explaining it is not their role. The lass 'phoned a superior and was pissed off to find I was right. Even for an on arrival visa, a one-way ticket is perfectly fine. To reiterate, it is the traveller's responsibility to abide by visa conditions - not the airline. Hope this assists. Incidentally I worked with Federal authorities associated with I
    mmigration/Customs/Quarantine in Oz for 30 years

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    Wow some of you just cannot get it through your thick skulls the 30 day permission to enter is a VISA EXEMPT entry, NOT a fookin visa on arrival.

    FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phuketrichard
    Thing is terminology matters
    Absolutely. 100%. Nail on the head.
    It causes no end of confusion.
    Any posts other than OP's will be trashed if the advice given is confused by wrong terminology.

    If I slip up please report it.
    We all make mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbo View Post
    Hello guys,

    I am coming to Thailand from the USA WITHOUT a 60 day tourist visa because I will also book a trip to Angeles while in Bangkok and depart before day 30 when my visa upon arrival in Thailand expires.

    My question is Thai Immigration won't know that I am going to book the Angeles trip while in Bangkok and will only see my arrival day and my departure day roughly 75 days apart.

    Will this be ok with immigration???

    Thank you for any help,
    Dumbo
    I have traveled to Thailand from the UK several times on a one way ticket. Never had a problem. As I am now living in Thailand I have to purchase my air ticket in Thailand and have never been asked by any airline in the UK for proof of visa prior to boarding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Stocks View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbo View Post
    Hello guys,

    I am coming to Thailand from the USA WITHOUT a 60 day tourist visa because I will also book a trip to Angeles while in Bangkok and depart before day 30 when my visa upon arrival in Thailand expires.

    My question is Thai Immigration won't know that I am going to book the Angeles trip while in Bangkok and will only see my arrival day and my departure day roughly 75 days apart.

    Will this be ok with immigration???

    Thank you for any help,
    Dumbo
    I have traveled to Thailand from the UK several times on a one way ticket. Never had a problem. As I am now living in Thailand I have to purchase my air ticket in Thailand and have never been asked by any airline in the UK for proof of visa prior to boarding.

    You are living in Thailand on 30 day entry visa exempt stamps ?
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    When I left Australia to come to work in Singapore, Qantas refused to allow me to fly with a one way ticket.

    I had to purchase an onward journey and then apply for a refund ( minus service charge ) after I had my employment pass sorted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorenzo View Post
    30 days whenever you arrive by air, who gives a crap about the terminology

    You will if you rock up to passport control and ask for a visa on arrival and they then give you 15 days.
    Wonder if this is accurate Fondles. Have only gotten a 15 day at a border crossing. In 15 years always got 30 days at the airport. Never asked for anything though, just handed the peasant my passport and got 30. Kind of like a Russian gulag where they hand out 30 year sentences no questions asked.

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    Because you get a 30 day visa exempt entry and NOT a visa on arrival.

    Why is this so hard to understand ?

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    fly in
    30 day VISA EXEMPT
    cross a land border 15 days VISA EXEMPT

    VOA ( an it usually costs) only applies to certain countries that are not eligible for visa exempt

    Note MY BOLDS

    The VISA ON ARRIVAL allows passport holders of 19* countries to enter Thailand under this rule provided that they meet these requirements:
    1. The visit is strictly for tourism purposes.
    2. They must have a confirmed return ticket to show that they are flying out of Thailand within 30 or 15 days of entry, as appropriate. Open tickets do not qualify. Travelling overland out of Thailand by train, bus, etc to Cambodia, Laos, Malaysia (including en route to Singapore), Myanmar, etc is not accepted as proof of exiting Thailand.
      You may be asked to show your flight ticket on entering Thailand. If you do not possess a flight ticket to show you will be exiting Thailand within 30 or 15 days of entry you will be most likely to be refused entry.
    3. It will also be necessary to prove that you have funds of at least 20,000 THB per person during your stay in Thailand. A fee of 1,900 THB is payable upon entry and is subject to change without notice.
      However, persons who are not eligible to enter Thailand under the VISA ON ARRIVAL and VISA EXEMPTION RULE are advised to obtain visas with the Royal Thai Embassy prior to their visit.
    *19 Countries eligible to enter Thailand under the VISA ON ARRIVAL rule:
    1. Bhutan
    2. China
    3. Cyprus
    4. Czech Republic
    5. Estonia
    6. Hungary
    7. India
    8. Kazakhstan
    9. Latvia
    10. Liechtenstein
    11. Lithuania
    12. Maldives
    13. Mauritius
    14. Poland
    15. Saudi Arabia
    16. Slovakia
    17. Slovenia
    18. Taiwan
    19. Ukraine
    Visa Exemption

    Passport Holders who can enter Thailand without a Visa
    The VISA EXEMPTION RULE allows tourists from 48* countries to enter without a visa. They are granted a stay of maximum 30 days but only if entering Thailand via an international airport. However, persons, entering through a land border checkpoint from neighboring countries will be granted a maximum stay of 15 days.
    Under the new provisions of the VISA EXEMPTION RULE effective December 6, 2008, passport holders of 48* countries are entitled to enter Thailand under this rule provided that they meet the following criteria:
    1. The visit is strictly for tourism purposes.
    2. They must have a confirmed return ticket to show that they are flying out of Thailand within 30 or 15 days of entry, as appropriate. Open tickets do not qualify. Travelling overland out of Thailand by train, bus, etc to Cambodia, Laos, Malaysia (including en route to Singapore), Myanmar, etc is not accepted as proof of exiting Thailand. You may be asked to show your flight ticket on entering Thailand. If you do not possess a flight ticket to show you will be exiting Thailand within 30 or 15 days of entry you will be most likely to be refused entry.
    3. It will also be necessary to prove that you have funds of at least 20,000 THB per person during your stay in Thailand.
    A fee may be levied on persons entering Thailand under the VISA EXEMPTION RULE.
    *48 Countries allowed to enter Thailand under the VISA EXEMPTION RULE:
    1. Argentina
    2. Australia
    3. Austria
    4. Bahrain
    5. Belgium
    6. Brazil
    7. Brunei
    8. Canada
    9. Chile
    10. Denmark
    11. Finland
    12. France
    13. Germany
    14. Greece
    15. Hong Kong
    16. Iceland
    17. Indonesia
    18. Ireland
    19. Israel
    20. Italy
    21. Japan
    22. Korea
    23. Kuwait
    24. Laos
    25. Luxembourg
    26. Macau
    27. Malaysia
    28. Monaco
    29. Mongolia
    30. Netherlands
    31. New Zealand
    32. Norway
    33. Oman
    34. Peru
    35. Philippines
    36. Portugal
    37. Qatar
    38. Russia
    39. Singapore
    40. South Africa
    41. Spain
    42. Sweden
    43. Switzerland
    44. Turkey
    45. United Arab Emirates
    46. United Kingdom
    47. United States
    48. Vietnam
    The above is the LAW, how immigration interprets it is up to them.
    amazing how many think headed people there are. Do they work at it or does it come natural?

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