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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post


    you or your friend obviously threw your morals and pride out of the window when you arrived in thailand if you think that is the correct way to handle that situation.



    the more that people kow tow to these extorting jobsworths and their sleazy ways the more they become empowered and brazen in their demands.

    there would be no corruption if people refused to pay these government employed crooks.

    your friend made the mistake by withdrawing the money, he should have accepted responsibility for that error and made the trip to hong kong, not bribed an official to overlook it.
    Exactly if they truly were "kind and helpful" they would NOT be trying to take advantage of people over a small one day mistake. The whole 90 day money in the bank is rather burdensome and I'm sure many people left Thailand because of it, ending up hurting the locals who made modest livings from thier trade.
    Those cnuts dont care about anything but thier little power trips and take great pleasure in gouging foreigners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    They asked him how much it would cost to go to HK for him and his wife ( as her visa is tied to his ) stay in hotel, apply for new visa etc etc, then offered to make it all right for 10,000 baht.
    OK corruption but it saved him double that and time.
    you or your friend obviously threw your morals and pride out of the window when you arrived in thailand if you think that is the correct way to handle that situation.



    the more that people kow tow to these extorting jobsworths and their sleazy ways the more they become empowered and brazen in their demands.

    there would be no corruption if people refused to pay these government employed crooks.

    your friend made the mistake by withdrawing the money, he should have accepted responsibility for that error and made the trip to hong kong, not bribed an official to overlook it.
    How long have u lived here? i would imagine a short time if any. Morals/Pride?? This is Thailand and if you want keep those i suggest pick a western country where those things matter. My friend fucked up and paid for it.
    IF Earl had acted nice an given the choice of paying a few baht rather than dealing with all the hassles of flying out and starting over do u seriously think he still would have chosen to travel? I doubt it.

    IN any other country it would have cost more or been imposible to make a msitake correct but as long as u know they rules THEY play by u can enjoy ur stay/life here
    otherwise you become a bitter old fuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phuketrichard View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    They asked him how much it would cost to go to HK for him and his wife ( as her visa is tied to his ) stay in hotel, apply for new visa etc etc, then offered to make it all right for 10,000 baht.
    OK corruption but it saved him double that and time.
    you or your friend obviously threw your morals and pride out of the window when you arrived in thailand if you think that is the correct way to handle that situation.



    the more that people kow tow to these extorting jobsworths and their sleazy ways the more they become empowered and brazen in their demands.

    there would be no corruption if people refused to pay these government employed crooks.

    your friend made the mistake by withdrawing the money, he should have accepted responsibility for that error and made the trip to hong kong, not bribed an official to overlook it.
    How long have u lived here? i would imagine a short time if any. Morals/Pride?? This is Thailand and if you want keep those i suggest pick a western country where those things matter. My friend fucked up and paid for it.
    IF Earl had acted nice an given the choice of paying a few baht rather than dealing with all the hassles of flying out and starting over do u seriously think he still would have chosen to travel? I doubt it.

    IN any other country it would have cost more or been imposible to make a msitake correct but as long as u know they rules THEY play by u can enjoy ur stay/life here
    otherwise you become a bitter old fuck

    "forget it Jake, it's Chinatown"
    Just to clarify, are you:

    A. Advocating bribery and corruption in whatever country you are in as a harmless way of getting things done?

    Or

    B. Are you saying that you'd never advocate bribery and corruption in a more sophisticated country than one like Thailand?
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    How long have u lived here? i would imagine a short time if any. Morals/Pride?? This is Thailand and if you want keep those i suggest pick a western country where those things matter. My friend fucked up and paid for it.
    IF Earl had acted nice an given the choice of paying a few baht rather than dealing with all the hassles of flying out and starting over do u seriously think he still would have chosen to travel? I doubt it.

    IN any other country it would have cost more or been imposible to make a msitake correct but as long as u know they rules THEY play by u can enjoy ur stay/life here
    otherwise you become a bitter old fuck
    ive been here 7 years now, and i would never pay one of these greedy fucks a bribe.
    and i make sure all my paperwork is done on time.

    i could never lower myself to their corrupt level.

    how you can call them polite and helpful is beyond me, they are thieves plain and simple, taking advantage of foreigners, the very foreigners they beg to come here and welcome with open arms.

    they laugh at us and spit in our faces, and you froth at the mouth with praise for them


    My friend fucked up and paid for it.
    your friend fucked up and paid them for it, its pathetic, conniving with their dishonesty, you become no better than them, you sink to their level, you become an active contributor to the immoral system here that deprives so many in thailand to a fair deal, that enriches the dishonest and keeps the deserving in poverty.

    in short you are a prick.

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    Harsh words Tax Exile, but very honest unlike Tricky Dicky here

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    OA is only available outside of Thailand in your home country, ......

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    I don't know what ur complaining about.. my immigration officer in January was very helpful ..
    had a 60 day tourist visa that was near its end and I wanted an extension .
    he sat me down and said "how long do u want?".. I said well I have work in may but 30days extension would be good then I can do a couple of boarder runs to Cambodia ....
    he shook his head and said ill give u till the end of may.. ok?..
    I said that'll be nice but is it going to cost me? he said 1900 bt...
    I tried to give him a drink and he declined saying "I'm rich enough"..
    what a nice man!!! had a smile on his face too!!!

    hence to say I've made a note of his name!!!!!

    it must be those overcrowded places where they're not helpful .. or ur looks!!!
    will not put up wiv the "Nanny state" so don't push it on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phuketrichard
    otherwise you become a bitter old fuck
    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    in short you are a prick.
    oh dear, a little visa hassle and all hell breaks loose

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    You seem to have been in Thailand a long time.............................................
    YET.............You've learnt nothing....................???????????????

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    The longer I stay in Thailand the less I know I reckon. Eights years ago it seemed to me Phuket immigration was NOT staffed by a gang of greedy wankers who actually harbour a profound hatred of the very foreigners who provide them jobs.
    Regarding the so called rules. These wankers just make them up as they go along.
    Paying the 10k baht bribe because the fellow was one day off with his bank statement is pure bullshit. As was denying my visa application simply because it was the last day of my current visa..
    Sure if some actually overstays their visa there are established penalties.
    Deffending these power tripping greedy wankers is nearly incomprehensible to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    The longer I stay in Thailand the less I know I reckon.
    fair enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    As was denying my visa application simply because it was the last day of my current visa..
    if that is really correct, then the visa was still applicable

    are you sure it wasn't one day over? if not, then you should have spoken to the boss

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    Obtaining a retirement extension is not limted to those who entered the Kingdom on a Non Immigrant O visa. Certainly, seeking an extension on the basis of marriage to a Thai is dependent on the appropriate O visa first obtained abroad, but not for retirement.
    Those on a tourist visa or who arrived as an exempted person and received 30 days simply apply in country for a Non Immigrant O visa which is valid for 90 days - it costs 2,000 bt and the application is submitted on form TM87. Once this has been obtained you should wait two months before submitting the application to remain for the purpose of retirement on TM7 which costs 1,900. In days past one could complete the process on the same day but now they insist you submit when there is less than 30 days validity on the O visa. Also, I understand from other reports that some immigration offices are insisting that the TM87 application can only be submitted provided 21 days remain on your original visa used to enter the KIngdom.
    I do hope this helps.

    Mr. Earl was indeed foolish to wait until the currency of his visa had practically expired but then anyone riding a motorcycle through SE Asia and peninsula Malaya must surely be the proverbial brick short of a load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    but then anyone riding a motorcycle through SE Asia and peninsula Malaya must surely be the proverbial brick short of a load.
    exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    As was denying my visa application simply because it was the last day of my current visa..
    if that is really correct, then the visa was still applicable

    are you sure it wasn't one day over? if not, then you should have spoken to the boss
    It was indeed valid, they just wanted play games. I know it was dumb to wait till the last minute because it forced me to buy the stupid 7 day extension. But who knew that our visas are not valid on the last day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    ive been here 7 years now, and i would never pay one of these greedy fucks a bribe.
    You cannot really blame individuals in a society based on corruption. They probably had to pay cash to get their job and see it as an investment and bribes as the return. No point in getting all Don Quixote about it. Accept the situation and learn how to use the bribery options to your advantage when you can and accept the costs when you can't. Getting all jai ron against an official just extracting his daily bribes probably makes you look like a dumb noob in their eyes, no wonder they are laughing. The alternative is a western society where unbribeable bureaucracy can be almost as frustrating at times.

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    You cannot really blame individuals in a society based on corruption. They probably had to pay cash to get their job and see it as an investment and bribes as the return. No point in getting all Don Quixote about it. Accept the situation and learn how to use the bribery options to your advantage when you can and accept the costs when you can't. Getting all jai ron against an official just extracting his daily bribes probably makes you look like a dumb noob in their eyes, no wonder they are laughing. The alternative is a western society where unbribeable bureaucracy can be almost as frustrating at times.
    you make good points.

    in order to avoid finding myself in a situation where a bribe might be necessary, i tend to ensure that my paperwork is kept up to date and on time. its not that onerous really, once a year for the renewal and every three months for the 90 day.


    i understand the system very well here, but it is easy enough in just about every case to avoid having to pay bribes to obtain services to which i am legally entitled.

    those that do pay bribes are either stuck between a rock and a hard place (very few) or are just people who prefer to take the easy option, just like the people they are paying. money for nothing.

    its why the rich can get away with anything here, and if you pay petty bribes to ease the processing of visas, you become part of the same system that frees criminals and murderers and allows politicians to walk over whoever they choose.
    you sink down to their level. you compromise yourself and just give them more power to extort you again next time, because you have shown them that you are willing to break the law by paying a bribe.

    it a nasty system, as is the inflexibility of the western system.

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    Gone are the days when you could walk in and get what you wanted I used to be on first name terms with them.

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    And it's not just the Immigration thats at it, also the amphur go to the labour department here in Phuket and try getting a work permit, more chance landing on the fuking moon

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    The whole bribery system has merit if you do something wrong , with a little money you can make the whole thing go away. Someone I knew a few years ago got pinched on a dui here and 30k made it disapear entirely.
    The corruption in the west is endemic at very high levels where the super rich use lobbyists to persuade politcians to write laws favorable to their causes and beliefs.
    In comparison the petty corruption here is almost refreshing.
    I got stopped speeding in my car a couple of times and 30 seconds 50 and 100 baht later I was on my way. If you get a speeding ticket in the usa you're in for a royal hosing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    How long have u lived here? i would imagine a short time if any. Morals/Pride?? This is Thailand and if you want keep those i suggest pick a western country where those things matter. My friend fucked up and paid for it.
    IF Earl had acted nice an given the choice of paying a few baht rather than dealing with all the hassles of flying out and starting over do u seriously think he still would have chosen to travel? I doubt it.

    IN any other country it would have cost more or been imposible to make a msitake correct but as long as u know they rules THEY play by u can enjoy ur stay/life here
    otherwise you become a bitter old fuck
    ive been here 7 years now, and i would never pay one of these greedy fucks a bribe.
    and i make sure all my paperwork is done on time.

    i could never lower myself to their corrupt level.

    how you can call them polite and helpful is beyond me, they are thieves plain and simple, taking advantage of foreigners, the very foreigners they beg to come here and welcome with open arms.

    they laugh at us and spit in our faces, and you froth at the mouth with praise for them


    My friend fucked up and paid for it.
    your friend fucked up and paid them for it, its pathetic, conniving with their dishonesty, you become no better than them, you sink to their level, you become an active contributor to the immoral system here that deprives so many in thailand to a fair deal, that enriches the dishonest and keeps the deserving in poverty.

    in short you are a prick.
    Thanks;

    U all that seem to have troubles and do nothing but complain, why do u stay?

    I accept Thais for who they are, greedy children plain and simple, but the best way to get along is to play the game with them. I prefer to live where i am relatively free and happy. For many of u i think Thailand is not the place for you.

    They don't want farangs here, never did BUT they do want the $$

    The only thing that will remain the truth throughout this is
    Thailand will not change

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    a royal hosing


    No thank you.

    Don't play the corruption game, doing so sells future generations (your kids) into a life of patronage. Regardless of your own self-respect, think about future generations...

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    ^^Wow...profound...

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    30 seconds 50 and 100 baht later I was on my way.
    which is why there is no incentive whatsoever to obey the law here.

    20,000 dead a year on the roads, drunk driving ,speeding, rusted unsafe broken down vehicles on the road, bus crashes etc.etc.

    its because there is no incentive to obey the rules, most of which are written from a position of common sense and benefit society as a whole.

    where is the little red flag in your head that says i'd better not speed or drive drunk or operate that 30 year old bus with bald tyres in case i get caught, lose my license and go to jail. its not there, because you know that for a few hundred or thousand baht you can get away with stupid behaviour here, negotiate your way out of your responsibility or have your protector speak on your behalf, and fuck the consequences or what happens to anyone else who loses out due to my selfishness and access to money to pay people off because i am a selfish turd who doesnt give a shit about anybody else but myself.

    there is no other way to justify it.

    its wrong, full stop.
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    You all make valid points.

    I don't agree that Thailand will never change. Western countries were as corrupt as Thailand if you go back enough years. The natural desire for fairness and acountability will prevail but it will take a long time.

    No point in getting hot under the collar about the current situation because it is different from your homeland. It will change eventually but nothing you do at an individual level, especially as a long stay tourist, will have any effect so better to think about how to use the situation to maximum personal advantage (and there are many advantagaes as Earl acknowledges).

    Change will come eventually from pressure from the population, red shirts etc. but for now an indignant farang railing at windmills is truly a laughing stock from a Thai's perspective.

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