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kingwilly · 03-03-2009, 08:15 PM

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Does anything I've said not ring true to you KW? you're in the business You probably see more than most.

some of what you say rings true.

the callousness that you exhibit towards this fellow is particularly harsh.

In decent schools, there is no question, we need experienced, qualified teachers only.

In a smaller english teaching school in bangkok.... perhaps things might be different.

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I tend not to cheat.

c'mon mate, life is not all black and white....

jandajoy · 03-03-2009, 08:22 PM

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c'mon mate, life is not all black and white....

a degree is a degree. You either spend 3/4 years getting it or you buy it of the net. Pretty black and white to me.

kingwilly · 03-03-2009, 08:25 PM

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a degree is a degree. You either spend 3/4 years getting it or you buy it of the net. Pretty black and white to me.

i'm talking about your comment that you've never cheated.

never paid a thai copper a bribe?

never driven your car without seat belt?

etc.

jandajoy · 03-03-2009, 08:30 PM

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i'm talking about your comment that you've never cheated. never paid a thai copper a bribe? never driven your car without seat belt? etc.

Drivel KW and you know it.

We're talking about falsifying your qualifications to do a job with kids.

however, FYI nope, never bribed a cop and never wear a seat belt. What the fok that's got to do with OP is beyond me. Do try and keep things in context.

jandajoy · 03-03-2009, 08:35 PM

So which enlightened Mod made this decision then? You've got to be kidding me.

jandajoy · 03-03-2009, 08:38 PM

Would the management please explain why over half this thread has been dumped into MKP? For what possible reason? a PM would do.

This is TV madness.

Dan · 03-03-2009, 08:52 PM

I agree that the moderating seems a bit out of hand. What was there to get upset about? I do, however, think that people get carried away with EFL qualifications - and their falsification. It's not much of a job, is it? And I'm speaking as an ex-EFL teacher. Really, if the guy's doing a good job - or if he's doing a bad job, for that matter - having some shitty degree in Media Studies from Bournemouth Poly isn't really going to make much difference.

Marmite the Dog · 03-03-2009, 08:54 PM

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Really, if the guy's doing a good job - or if he's doing a bad job, for that matter - having some shitty degree in Media Studies from Bournemouth Poly isn't really going to make much difference.

Exactly.

Dan · 03-03-2009, 09:24 PM

Sure they do. This thread is - obviously enough - a case in point. And as others have said, working illegally in a foreign country and getting your girlfriend knocked up isn't the brightest thing to do but that's not really a justification for climbing up on that invitingly high horse and proclaiming his wickedness because he - horror of horrors - lied about his qualifications when doing so has pretty much no impact on his professional abilities.

jandajoy · 03-03-2009, 09:26 PM

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when doing so has pretty much no impact on his professional abilities.

How'd you evaluate and judge that then, as a professional?

kingwilly · 03-03-2009, 09:27 PM

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And as others have said, working illegally in a foreign country and getting your girlfriend knocked up isn't the brightest thing to do but that's not really a justification for climbing up on that invitingly high horse and proclaiming his wickedness because he - horror of horrors - lied about his qualifications

true enough.

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when doing so has pretty much no impact on his professional abilities.

not exactly convinced of that point, however.

Marmite the Dog · 03-03-2009, 09:33 PM

Hands up if any of you really think that Thai kids studying in a government school will leave speaking English with any proficiency?

If this guy can get just a handful to even a low level he has succeeded where many 'proper' teachers have failed.

Dan · 03-03-2009, 09:36 PM

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when doing so has pretty much no impact on his professional abilities.

How'd you evaluate and judge that then, as a professional?

Because I don't understand what the relationship is - or is alleged to be - between one's having a degree and one's ability to teach English and, as far as I can see, having a degree is neither sufficient to qualify as a good teacher, nor necessary. If the guy is doing a good job, then that's the end of it. Clearly, you think that there is a relationship so what is it?

killerbees · 03-03-2009, 09:42 PM

^^^Good point. Some of those schools are pretty hairy. It really is a case (IMO, of course) of reaching some of the kids somehow. If this guy is well-liked by his students, well, it's important to really grasp the significance of that. You can have degrees up and down, but if those kids don't like you enough to turn up to class and open their ears... all the book-learnin' in the world isn't going to make a difference.

So he lied. I probably wouldn't hire him to teach. So what? There are some schools out in the boonies that are dying for teachers. They don't give a shit if they're old and decrepit, German, 18 years old, degree or no degree. They need somebody.

jandajoy · 03-03-2009, 09:44 PM

A relevant degree of course goes without saying.

B.Ed
B.A. English, I'd include Drama and or foreign languages plus a PGCE or equivalent 1 year teaching qualification.

dip. TEFL

M.A. Applied Linguistics. M.A. Ed.

RSA Cert. grade A. or equivalent. Preferably from a reputable center such as IH or the like.

Basically a solid grounding in language, linguistics and communication with a "teaching" qualification on top.

jandajoy · 03-03-2009, 09:46 PM

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but if those kids don't like you

The least important factor for a classroom teacher. Completely irrelevant.

jandajoy · 03-03-2009, 09:50 PM

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Not in Thailand it aint.

Thai classrooms and kids are different are they ?

jandajoy · 03-03-2009, 09:54 PM

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The Thai "system" of education is quite different.

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Thai classrooms and kids are different are they ?

Not the question.

withnallstoke · 03-03-2009, 09:57 PM

To attempt to "teach" classes of 60 bored 15 year olds out in the sticks a language that they don't want to learn anyway, would take at least a sainthood, plus a few years of life experience. Horses for courses and all that.

Marmite the Dog · 03-03-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jandajoy

A relevant degree of course goes without saying.

B.Ed
B.A. English, I'd include Drama and or foreign languages plus a PGCE or equivalent 1 year teaching qualification.

dip. TEFL

M.A. Applied Linguistics. M.A. Ed.

RSA Cert. grade A. or equivalent. Preferably from a reputable center such as IH or the like.

Basically a solid grounding in language, linguistics and communication with a "teaching" qualification on top.

Complete overkill for most Thai schools.

03-03-2009, 08:52 PM	#27 (permalink)
Dan Thailand Expat Last Online: 08-11-2009 03:01 PM Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,028	I agree that the moderating seems a bit out of hand. What was there to get upset about? I do, however, think that people get carried away with EFL qualifications - and their falsification. It's not much of a job, is it? And I'm speaking as an ex-EFL teacher. Really, if the guy's doing a good job - or if he's doing a bad job, for that matter - having some shitty degree in Media Studies from Bournemouth Poly isn't really going to make much difference. Last edited by Dan : 03-03-2009 at 09:18 PM.

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03-03-2009, 08:35 PM	#25 (permalink)
jandajoy Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Today 01:00 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: out bush Chiang Rai way Posts: 14,116	So which enlightened Mod made this decision then? You've got to be kidding me.

03-03-2009, 08:38 PM	#26 (permalink)
jandajoy Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Today 01:00 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: out bush Chiang Rai way Posts: 14,116	Would the management please explain why over half this thread has been dumped into MKP? For what possible reason? a PM would do. This is TV madness.

03-03-2009, 09:24 PM	#29 (permalink)
Dan Thailand Expat Last Online: 08-11-2009 03:01 PM Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,028	Sure they do. This thread is - obviously enough - a case in point. And as others have said, working illegally in a foreign country and getting your girlfriend knocked up isn't the brightest thing to do but that's not really a justification for climbing up on that invitingly high horse and proclaiming his wickedness because he - horror of horrors - lied about his qualifications when doing so has pretty much no impact on his professional abilities.

03-03-2009, 09:33 PM	#32 (permalink)
Marmite the Dog ผู้เชี่ยวชาญเปล่า Last Online: Today 09:14 AM Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Simian Islands Posts: 30,327	Hands up if any of you really think that Thai kids studying in a government school will leave speaking English with any proficiency? If this guy can get just a handful to even a low level he has succeeded where many 'proper' teachers have failed.

03-03-2009, 09:42 PM	#34 (permalink)
killerbees Betong Last Online: Today 12:44 AM Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: midlantic Posts: 727	^^^Good point. Some of those schools are pretty hairy. It really is a case (IMO, of course) of reaching some of the kids somehow. If this guy is well-liked by his students, well, it's important to really grasp the significance of that. You can have degrees up and down, but if those kids don't like you enough to turn up to class and open their ears... all the book-learnin' in the world isn't going to make a difference. So he lied. I probably wouldn't hire him to teach. So what? There are some schools out in the boonies that are dying for teachers. They don't give a shit if they're old and decrepit, German, 18 years old, degree or no degree. They need somebody.

03-03-2009, 09:44 PM	#35 (permalink)
jandajoy Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Today 01:00 PM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: out bush Chiang Rai way Posts: 14,116	A relevant degree of course goes without saying. B.Ed B.A. English, I'd include Drama and or foreign languages plus a PGCE or equivalent 1 year teaching qualification. dip. TEFL M.A. Applied Linguistics. M.A. Ed. RSA Cert. grade A. or equivalent. Preferably from a reputable center such as IH or the like. Basically a solid grounding in language, linguistics and communication with a "teaching" qualification on top.

03-03-2009, 09:57 PM	#39 (permalink)
withnallstoke Dazed and confused. Last Online: Today 12:29 PM Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Fletcher Memorial Home. Posts: 1,937	To attempt to "teach" classes of 60 bored 15 year olds out in the sticks a language that they don't want to learn anyway, would take at least a sainthood, plus a few years of life experience. Horses for courses and all that.

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