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    The different tiers of international schools

    What sort of criteria do people use when working out the different tiers of international school?

    Is it solely on the wages paid, the facilities, the amount of time in existence?

    I am just trying to work out who the better schools are to aim towards and who to try to use as a stepping stone onto bigger and better things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggsy View Post
    a stepping stone onto bigger and better things

    I just nearly fell of my chair

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    Quality of it's teachers and the level of education it delivers.

    Patana
    ISB
    NIST
    Harrow

    In Bangkok.

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    Accrediation is the key. WES or WASC.

    Mid-level schools will pay B50,000-80,000.

    The top schools like MtD mentioned will pay much better.

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    Mid-level schools will pay B50,000-80,000.
    surely that's the lowest level schools. no int. school would pay less than 50K... surely...

    That pay bracket seems to be more the mid to higher level private schools.

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    I looked on ISB and they start on 137,000. That's quite a nice figure to start with! Now i just need to be that person that is in the right place at the right time!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao View Post
    Mid-level schools will pay B50,000-80,000.
    surely that's the lowest level schools. no int. school would pay less than 50K... surely...

    That pay bracket seems to be more the mid to higher level private schools.
    I think you'll find there is a blurred line between where the private language schools finish and the international schools start.

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    Fair nuff. I meant the private school sector that includes the likes of Assumption and the other christian schools etc that pay around that much.

    Generally, and this is a guess... the difference is that the Int'l schools teach either the UK or US curriculum, and the privates are still stuck on the Thai one... isn't it? (I could be wrong mind).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggsy View Post
    I looked on ISB and they start on 137,000. That's quite a nice figure to start with! Now i just need to be that person that is in the right place at the right time!!
    But in the meantime ECC or Wall Street will suffice I suppose?

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    be a bloody long way to commute to work everyday from england wouldnt it? Plus i think the school i am at here would be pissed that I am late to work everyday.

    Looks like you suppose incorrectly...

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    Here they have 3 jobs that pay over 80k baht per month.

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    Thanks dirtydog but I am not looking for a job in thailand just yet. I am hoping to move in the summer of 2010. i am just lookin to get as much information on the international schools as I can so i know which ones to aim for and which ones to steer clear of. Obviously I have looked on each school website but as we all know websites can be particularly biased so I was asking for more independent advice.

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    An actual teacher! There's a first.


    Don't think yer allowed on these kinda forums.

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    not quite a real teacher yet. just doing my pgce to become a real teacher then going to stay in england and get a little experience before heading out east.

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    just doing my pgce
    So your BA isn't in Education?

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    no my BSc is in Computer Studies. My PGCE will give me a post graduate certificate of education to be able to teach ICT. Similar to a person with a history degree teaching history and thus gaining more knowledge about their subject before specialising in the teaching of said subject

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    Yes, we do know what it is.

    I looked on ISB and they start on 137,000. That's quite a nice figure to start with! Now i just need to be that person that is in the right place at the right time!!
    Without a B.Ed, or BA without any educational fields... or experience... with just a pgce...

    I feel the 'right place and right time' you speak of being in is... in the director's bedroom with a gun pointed at his wife's head. You ain't gonna get a job at a top Int. school with just a PGCE and no experience.

    I could be wrong... but I doubt it (KW etc. know a lot more than me on the topic).

    With a PGCE I'd hazard a guess that you'd walk into the 70K positions without any trouble, and maybe get lucky with 80-90K.

    Sorry to burst your bubble a bit, but simply having a PGCE isn't gonna get you hired (at 137K) when the other applicants have BA's or MA's of Ed.

    Which they will, with a few years experience to boot.


    You say you've checked out all their websites, don't they have a list of the teachers and their qualifications?
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    ah but that is the thing. i am not going to come straight out with a PGCE I am going to stay around and get a little bit of experience. Plus i dont realistically expect to get a job in a top school straight off the bat. Like i said in my first post i expect to start at a lower school and work my way up, my comment about getting a job there was more wishing than anything.

    Sorry if my previous post outlining my pgce was a bit obvious, i was expecting a whole barrage of abuse stating that I wasn't much better than a tefler as i didnt have a ba in education. you know how it is around these parts for teachers, always on the defensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevintang
    RIS [Ruamruudee International School] is the best! have good academicc ps. it's the 2nd oldest international school in bangkok
    says who? I would say it is one of the good ones, but not the best.

    I think Marmite said it before

    ISB
    BPS
    NIST
    Harrows
    Shrewsbury
    RIS

    *disclaimer, there may be one or two others I have overlooked*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao View Post
    Yes, we do know what it is.

    I looked on ISB and they start on 137,000. That's quite a nice figure to start with! Now i just need to be that person that is in the right place at the right time!!
    Without a B.Ed, or BA without any educational fields... or experience... with just a pgce...

    I could be wrong... but I doubt it

    With a PGCE I'd hazard a guess that you'd walk into the 70K positions without any trouble, and maybe get lucky with 80-90K.

    Sorry to burst your bubble a bit, but simply having a PGCE isn't gonna get you hired (at 137K) when the other applicants have BA's or MA's of Ed.

    Which they will, with a few years experience to boot.
    This twat has no idea what he is on about. You need a BA (or BSc) before you can get a PGCE, and a PGCE is the equivalent of a BEd. With a PGCE and a couple of years experience, the world will be your oyster.

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    Fair enough, well, except for this part (You need a BA (or BSc) before you can get a PGCE)... No shit!

    as I said:

    I could be wrong... but I doubt it (KW etc. know a lot more than me on the topic).
    I obviously am wrong. I haven't experienced seeing a PGCE being seen as an equivalent to a B.Ed.

    I had heard that the Cert of Ed. (PGCE) is seen as that, the certificate that comes before the Dip. of Ed. which comes before the BA of Ed. And is seen accordingly should the other applicants hold a B.Ed.

    Thanks for correcting me.




    Suffering from memory loss again Smeggy?

    Smeg, when asked a question he rather not answer, a few days ago:

    This message can't be seen as Chairman Mao is on your ignore list.
    In one month I've gone from 'not on ignore' to 'ignore' to 'not on ignore', to 'ignore', to 'not on ignore'. A full cycle... TWICE.

    Wot's wrong Smeagle... insane or just massively undecisive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg View Post
    This twat has no idea what he is on about. You need a BA (or BSc) before you can get a PGCE, and a PGCE is the equivalent of a BEd. With a PGCE and a couple of years experience, the world will be your oyster.
    Like I already stated, Wall Street or similar beckons whatever their teaching / whoring aspirations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg View Post
    a PGCE is the equivalent of a BEd.
    Is this part actually true? The (post grad) Certificate of Education isn't seen as a Certificate of Education...

    It's seen as equivalent to a Bachelor of Education.

    Really, that's true? I must say I'm slightly surprised.

    Or was when I read it. Thanks Smeg.

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    Smeg he won't need any qualifications and you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao
    Really, that's true? I must say I'm slightly surprised.
    Yes, it's true. PGCE is a one-year course taken after a Bachelor's; B.Ed is a 4 year degree. I think it'd be closer to the truth to say that they are both seen as routes to getting QTS, along with a couple of other ways - GTP and (when I did my PGCE) some other course that had an acronym beginning with S.
    tnuc

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