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jandajoy · 20-02-2009, 07:42 PM

It seems to me that the fundamental problem here is the fact that the majority of TEFL / Euro teachers, working here are unqualified, incompetent, wasters. They'd never get a teaching job in the west and nor should they.

A few, are qualified, efficient and productive. Good on 'em.

The rest, unfortunately drag the good ones down.

Boon Mee · 07-03-2009, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jandajoy

It seems to me that the fundamental problem here is the fact that the majority of TEFL / Euro teachers, working here are unqualified, incompetent, wasters. They'd never get a teaching job in the west and nor should they.

A few, are qualified, efficient and productive. Good on 'em.

The rest, unfortunately drag the good ones down.

We understand that John Michael Carr (before he thought out the sceme to bilk money outa the Ramsey family) was quite the good TELFer? Smacked 'em around a little too often but wtf. gotta instill dicipline, right?

tropic of cancer · 10-03-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Originally Posted by jandajoy

It seems to me that the fundamental problem here is the fact that the majority of TEFL / Euro teachers, working here are unqualified, incompetent, wasters. They'd never get a teaching job in the west and nor should they.

A few, are qualified, efficient and productive. Good on 'em.

The rest, unfortunately drag the good ones down.

We understand that John Michael Carr (before he thought out the sceme to bilk money outa the Ramsey family) was quite the good TELFer? Smacked 'em around a little too often but wtf. gotta instill dicipline, right?

This comment is beyond disgraceful. And Gary Glitter's a singer - so what?

What a bitter, twisted world you live in. Truly tragic.

Matthew · 20-02-2009, 10:17 PM

^ in a nutshell.

of course it's so obvious it hardly needs mentioning.

Matthew · 07-03-2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Plan B

And here I was thinking you were a reasonable and intelligent person.

I flash in and out of both reasonableness and intelligence, it's plain to see.

kingwilly · 10-03-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by phuketbound

I am a qualified professional teacher (do you want to make fun of that too), that has studied many years, and graduated Cum Laude, but I never say that.

well, you just said it then, didnt you?

phuketbound · 10-03-2009, 10:36 PM

^Yeah, so..what's your point? Besides I think being a TEFLer isn't as bad as you bunch point out. There are some people that are in it to do their best, and give a care about they are doing. I've met a lot in Thailand already.

As for the rest, I can see your gripes about the whole industry. The government needs to up their standards, and increase the pay if they want to attract more serious, and qualified teachers.

Not all ajarners are up their own arses either.

Gabriel · 11-03-2009, 09:42 AM

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This is a really good post TOC.

Why so Ms Phuket?

It struck me as an unprofessional approach by TOC and I posted my opinion as above. If his feelings were hurt by a couple of sentences that just shows that he is indeed a fickle beast. Teachers must have control of their classroom, the amount of times I have heard others blame everything but themselves for their lack of classroom management is off the scale.

I do not apologise for my words. If toc or others wish to sink into the depths of personal abuse in this regard that is entirely their perogative. I would not have you teach my kids with such a negative attitude.

Gabriel · 11-03-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by phuketbound

The government needs to up their standards, and increase the pay if they want to attract more serious, and qualified teachers.

They continue to pay peanuts however and will continue to get monkeys in the classroom as long as this goes on. That is the harsh truth of the matter.

Gabriel · 11-03-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by phuketbound

I see know insinuating that he can't control his class. I also think that those that consistently pick on typos have nothing better to do.

Where is the insinuation? He said himself that he could not control them. Perhaps you should enlighten him as the meaning of the word "discussion" in "discussion forum".

Also you have spelled "now" as "know". Another reason I would never have your ilk teach a child of mine.

phuketbound · 11-03-2009, 12:09 PM

^Yes, dear. I know. He never said that he couldn't control them. Show me exactly where he said that? Please enlighten me, Angel.

good2bhappy · 11-03-2009, 12:15 PM

An owner of a school said to me the other day that he doesn't so much look at their qualifications but more at their track record and commitment.

Gabriel · 11-03-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tropic of cancer

The disrespect is efficiently transmitted to the students who see your lesson as an opportunity to misbehave (farang, unlike Thais, are forbidden from using corporal punishment)

Here we are Ms Phuket. Seems toc would also like to take the stick to his kids. Another shining example of the type of teacher we do not need here.

Gabriel · 11-03-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by phuketbound

I know many people with Master's and Phd's that can't teach, and connect with students. I know some great teacher's with only a TEFL or CELTA.

That is very nice Ms Phuket. I would rather you stay with your fellow TEFL cert clutching ilk in dingy little "Language Schools" and leave the real education to the fully qualified. Thanks.

DrAndy · 11-03-2009, 02:02 PM

TEFLers are great

I am not sure why anyone would want to teach, I am sure the reasons are varied. However, if they do manage to instil a little English language into some poor kid, good luck to them, a thankless task.

Boon Mee · 11-03-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DrAndy

TEFLers are great

I am not sure why anyone would want to teach, I am sure the reasons are varied. However, if they do manage to instil a little English language into some poor kid, good luck to them, a thankless task.

I agree. DJ Pat is the perfect example of the kind of TEFLer those aspiring to the vocation should follow...

mikehunt · 11-03-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tropic of cancer

98% of what you teach will be forgotten 10 minutes after the students have left the classroom.

The reason they forget the lesson is that English is not their native tongue; they don't think or speak in English outside the classroom. Bits stick, but target language has to be constantly recycled and reinforced. This differs from teaching in England say, where a learner is surrounded by and practising the structures all the time.

I think that you are partly correct.
IMHO, one of the main reasons why Thai students don't respond to English lessons is because that they are under great pressure to learn English. This pressure is placed upon them by mum and dad. In other words, the kids don't want to learn English...they will simply "go through the motions" to satisfy mum & dad.

I remember when I had to learn one of two languages at High School...German or French. At that time, I had no interest whatsoever in learning another language. Nor did my parents bother me about this. Needless to say, I failed German (thank god).
Strangely though, I took Latin for a year, which has proven to be a little helpful today.

Chairman Mao · 11-03-2009, 07:06 PM

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a thankless task.

Think it generally saves most of them from a life of involuntary celebacy back home.

That's prolly thanks enough.

rubbajohnny · 11-03-2009, 09:01 PM

Eflistas are a soft target
Like eleswhere they are amixed bunch andas Good2Bhappy said employers look at can do rather than Academic real or phoney papers.
Musny confuse Teaching in LOS with Education
A pleasant paleskin is there for front often not always
There are Sincere ajarns dunkenCrews and everybody in between

Would you want 30 boisterous 14 yr old for 1000 baht aday no pension no benefits etc

Imagine bar keepers were performance rated as people!

Sir Burr · 11-03-2009, 09:03 PM

I have a feeling that there are going to be a lot more TEFLers of the aged, drunk and broke variety entering the "profession" within the next year.

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20-02-2009, 10:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
Matthew Chaweng Beach Last Online: 08-10-2009 02:17 AM Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 75	^ in a nutshell. of course it's so obvious it hardly needs mentioning.

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phuketbound I am in Jail Last Online: 03-11-2009 01:40 AM Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,400	^Yeah, so..what's your point? Besides I think being a TEFLer isn't as bad as you bunch point out. There are some people that are in it to do their best, and give a care about they are doing. I've met a lot in Thailand already. As for the rest, I can see your gripes about the whole industry. The government needs to up their standards, and increase the pay if they want to attract more serious, and qualified teachers. Not all ajarners are up their own arses either.

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phuketbound I am in Jail Last Online: 03-11-2009 01:40 AM Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,400	^Yes, dear. I know. He never said that he couldn't control them. Show me exactly where he said that? Please enlighten me, Angel.

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good2bhappy Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Today 02:33 PM Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Klong Samwa Posts: 11,056	An owner of a school said to me the other day that he doesn't so much look at their qualifications but more at their track record and commitment.

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DrAndy Oh Fuk Last Online: Today 03:02 PM Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: yes Posts: 12,783	TEFLers are great I am not sure why anyone would want to teach, I am sure the reasons are varied. However, if they do manage to instil a little English language into some poor kid, good luck to them, a thankless task.

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rubbajohnny I am in Jail Last Online: 16-09-2009 10:21 PM Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Whipping Posts: 1,074	Eflistas are a soft target Like eleswhere they are amixed bunch andas Good2Bhappy said employers look at can do rather than Academic real or phoney papers. Musny confuse Teaching in LOS with Education A pleasant paleskin is there for front often not always There are Sincere ajarns dunkenCrews and everybody in between Would you want 30 boisterous 14 yr old for 1000 baht aday no pension no benefits etc Imagine bar keepers were performance rated as people!

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Sir Burr Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb Last Online: 16-06-2009 10:54 AM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phuket. Posts: 5,087	I have a feeling that there are going to be a lot more TEFLers of the aged, drunk and broke variety entering the "profession" within the next year.

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