Why such abuse for TEFLers?

**Camel Toe** · 01-09-2008, 12:41 AM

I hate a lot of teachers. And the more qualified they are the more two-shoes and prissy they are. Fuckin people raving on in public about things that would only make their mums proud, "Well I just got the CELTIC 671B2C CHISEL with honours and I expect to be making 150,000 at a top international school next semester.

I'd rather have my kids with a real live human with less qualifications any day. But putting teachers down without the slightest notion of what a bloke is made of is chav redneckism.

**Marmite the Dog** · 01-09-2008, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Camel Toe

But putting teachers down without the slightest notion of what a bloke is made of is chav redneckism.

Some people like to think they're better than they really are, hence attacking something they know fuck all about. Just normal behaviour from normal insecure people.

**Camel Toe** · 01-09-2008, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Originally Posted by Camel Toe

anti-teacher

I really don't believe there is anybody on this site who has made anti comments about a professional teacher or professional teachers in general, or are you trying to sneak in TEFLers into that catergory?

If a guy comes here with his first OP and says, Hello everybody I'm a first grade teacher from California. I'm here in Thailand looking for a better life style, bla bla. What reception would he get? Seems that would depend a lot on his nik and avatar.

What's wrong with getting to know a new member, assuming the best not the worst? He/she will expose himself soon enough.

DD, I don't have a TESL certificate, I have a California State Teacher's Licence. A TESL certificate teacher who calls himself a teacher is a cock if the paper is all he has going for him. A person who has a natural ability and good patience without any credential and no formal training can teach, seen it many times. The Internet will render all you want to know about teaching.

**Mr Pot** · 01-09-2008, 01:00 AM

There's a difference between commom sense or better worded, life skills; being schooled to death usally results from parents who don't have time and depend on their money to wrap their children in the sometimes extreme desire to be successful in every aspect of academically high results, to the point of higher social status. in many countries vocational education is highly frowned upon wheras in reality it's such skills which are lacking agmonst the generations growing up in the world now.

I for one am amazed at my fathers skills, engineer by trade, architect and builder of our family home; restored one velocette, three triumphs and also a 4.2 Jag E-Type at the same time building an extension and running a screen printing business plus being his own accountant. I choose to be here but I know for one that I will never be able to emulate his skills which may be the reason I am here but I got educated and spoke to like which I could imagine to be a lot different to how my fathers generation was.

Myself and the generation I belong to and I know the current generation and ones to follow will grow up in a education in which we are moddlecuddled and life skills come with age because we have to fok up and learn from it or else..............unless your spoiled of course

**Mr Pot** · 01-09-2008, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Camel Toe

I have a California State Teacher's Licence

Never heard of that, shouldn't that only require that you teach in California or did you pick it up on Khoa San?

**Agent_Smith** · 01-09-2008, 01:11 AM

I respect just about anyone that can tolerate that line of work, regardless of their lack of qualifications. I taught for 9 months and was clawing my eyes out to get away from it. I had friends there who absolutely loved what they were doing and I also knew colleagues who were just getting by in the LOS. I would say the ratio of sincere instructors to sad fuckers was about 3:1. Maybe in Pattaya it's higher, which may be why DD is so prejudiced.

**Agent_Smith** · 01-09-2008, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

^^So for your next lot of major surgery, lets say you need a major heart bypass operation, you aint interested if the guy is qualified are you.....

What does that have to do with teaching a bunch of disinterested, lazy teenagers "be" verbs, gerunds, definite and indefinite articles etc.? You really can't fathom the difference between life saving skills and language skills?

**dirtydog** · 01-09-2008, 01:24 AM

^I think what it is with a lot of TEFLers is that they cannot fathom more than 4 weeks training, and it takes a hell of a lot longer than that to become a good teacher.

**Agent_Smith** · 01-09-2008, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

^I think what it is with a lot of TEFLers is that they cannot fathom more than 4 weeks training, and it takes a hell of a lot longer than that to become a good teacher.

Certainly, but more on the job rather than schooling. I think teaching is more personality/attitude driven rather than skill driven. Sure, you need some basic communication and English language technical knowledge, but the true "good" teachers have a passion and attitude that no amount of university training can instill.

Native English speakers, by default, have the knowledge largely and a 4 week course may be all they need to to tie up the loose ends of teaching, like lesson planning, organizing your ideas, materials, grammar refresher and so forth. It's a starting point for new teachers. It depends on the course as well.

As I see it teaching English is 80% attitude and 20% credentials.

**Agent_Smith** · 01-09-2008, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mr Pot

She said to me the other day " Do you think of someone else when we make love?" I replied " No I think of you, I last longer".

That's pretty damn funny

. Sounds like an old joke, but the first time I've heard it.

**Camel Toe** · 01-09-2008, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

Originally Posted by Mr Pot

She said to me the other day " Do you think of someone else when we make love?" I replied " No I think of you, I last longer".

That's pretty damn funny

. Sounds like an old joke, but the first time I've heard it.

Blackatter

**Mr Pot** · 01-09-2008, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by Camel Toe

Blackatter

try again, and it wasn't....please don't watch well written comedies; you might not get the irony and idiosyncrosies

**Sir Burr** · 01-09-2008, 05:18 AM

Bloody TEFLers again!

If they ain't swinging their hand-bags at each other in the teaching threads, they're swinging them at us poor non-TEFLers.
Barstards, the lot o' them!

**Gerbil** · 01-09-2008, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by melvbot

TEFLers are like the ginger kids at school, hard not to spot them and have a banter with them. Some take it to heart, some take it in their stride.

I'd rather be a ginger than a TEFLER.

(Thank god, I'm neither.

)

**kingwilly** · 01-09-2008, 06:30 AM

have you red hair then, gerbil?

**mrsquirrel** · 01-09-2008, 12:26 PM

The PGCE in the UK is quite an interesting thing to read up on.

If I were to return to the UK and do a PGCE in Science I would be required to undergo a one month refresher course in my basic sciences - Chemistry and physics for me - my biology is good.

After this I would then spend 9 months training and teaching.

I would learn different pedagogical approaches (not much mind)

123 days would be spent in the classroom teaching/supervised teaching.

Not much if you think about it. Yes you have to have a degree, but otherwise it's less than 9 months and you are ready to teach the world.

**klongmaster** · 01-09-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Camel Toe

I got a lot of respect for DD, he's talented and works hard

Don't who you're referring to here, but our DD has made it clear in many threads that 'hard work' is not at the top of his agenda...foking greaser CT...

**Camel Toe** · 01-09-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by klongmaster

Originally Posted by Camel Toe

I got a lot of respect for DD, he's talented and works hard

Don't who you're referring to here, but our DD has made it clear in many threads that 'hard work' is not at the top of his agenda...foking greaser CT...

Did you mean, Don't know who you're referring to here? Greaser, I like that!

So, klong, our man DD is so well hung it hurts, right?

**kwai73** · 21-12-2008, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by melvbot

TEFLers are like the ginger kids at school, hard not to spot them and have a banter with them.

I'm a TEFLer AND ginger. If I were in Pattaya right now I might have to consider taking a tumble off my balcony!

**kwai73** · 21-12-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Gerbil

I'd rather be a ginger than a TEFLER. (Thank god, I'm neither. )

Now where did I put that noose?

**dirtydog** · 21-12-2008, 10:51 PM

^^life can deal some real shite hands can't it, does your home country send you a disability allowance for your problem?

**kwai73** · 22-12-2008, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

^^life can deal some real shite hands can't it, does your home country send you a disability allowance for your problem?

Nah, fraid not.

I'm looking into that euthanasia deal. Maybe in Switzerland?

Or p'raps I just won't stand up for the anthem next time I go to the cinema in Thailand. See what happens!

**Bexar County Stud** · 22-12-2008, 10:14 AM

My only beef is with those teachers who take themselves too seriously (a very common trait) and those who, on the end of the spectrum, don't give a shit (also common).

**kwai73** · 22-12-2008, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Bexar County Stud

My only beef is with those teachers who take themselves too seriously

Can you elaborate on this? What do they do or say that gets your goat?

**blackgang** · 22-12-2008, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Doggsy

surely everybody can admit that there are good ones out there.

Sure, but the bad outweigh the good/
80% of the pedophiles here are Teachers or the young as well as abusers of the same younbg.

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