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Camel Toe

And that's why it has revolved around here as well? TD needs hits? You seem stressed, BV. Let's all pray B's puter takes a shit so he can get some rest.


Mods, this idiot deserves to get banned for that crap.

Smeg

I'm not in the mood today, and my intention isn't to get into a slagging match with Bruce or anyone else.

I think that Bruce has kind of answered the question this thread poses by writing this
It is my guess that people with honest compliants are going to be extremely offended by that kind of personal comment, and it will only motivate them to continue with their criticism. Only a fool would claim that his/her organisation is beyond complaints and criticism, but some do seem to think that they are perfect and thus entitled to smother it by any means possible.

bruceveld

Camelidiot, did you provide a SINGLE piece of evidence that TI has done anything unethical or your single claim to fame is you are friends with a pedophile?

Smeg

Why?

So that you can
1) call me ridiculous and talk down to me?
2) try to sue me?
3) discuss my comments in a reasonable and mature manner?

bruceveld

Smeg, you know I love you and would never do those things to you! Camels#!$ IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY. He is an idiot.

dirtydog

smeg, you were offered the chance to go down Ban Phe and sit in on an end of course thing, you didn't go...........

bruceveld

Here's the problem, Smeg. Our trainees generally do not complain, and thats my point. We are not perfect, but in the entire TW crap, there was one complaint from a real trainee. ONE! (or that is all I can recall). And that guy was treated fairly and given a full refund despite the fact that his course ran just fine and the rest of his group finished the course without a problem. yet he still came on to complain about us... nice guy.

We have to deal with complaints and we deal with them fairly. We SOLICIT suggestions and complaints in our end-of-course feedback. But if you notice, the only IDIOT on this thread is Camels#!%. He admits he has never met me and never done business with me. Yet I have to deal with him comparing with with a pedophile. THAT MAKES ME CRANKY. Only human nature.

Smeg

Because it had the air of some kind of set up, especially with Bruce demanding to video it. I instead went for an unannounced look around, and my report on that (dismissed by Bruce as he had no control over it) was in a thread that was banished to MKP some time ago.

But to be honest I haven't given much of a damn about TEFL courses for 2-3 years now, and I read ajarnform for only 5 minutes or so per month. Its slightly interesting now and again, but I really can't be arsed with it. This thread is instead to talk about why the criticism happens (and seems to be much more heated these days).

Smeg

^^ But Bruce, why do you feel the need to always argue with people you see as nutcases? Why do you not allow people the benefit of deciding whether these people are nutcases themselves? You feel the need to tell people that these people are nutcases, and that in itself looks somewhat desperate, as if your organisation is so frail as to be damaged by rumours on internet forums.

bruceveld

Now Smeg you know why wanted to video it. You are incapable of being objective with TESOL courses and thats your fault! I just wanted a back up in case you said something that I felt simply was not true (like our delapadated school or our group of very young backpacker trainees).

it is more heated these days because of the lies. It made a big splash when some idiot made up the story that I got him fired from his job. TW is quoted all over the net and people still believe it!

Chairman Mao

Private. With an EP and University on the CV.

Interesting huh.

bruceveld

Did you know that the most reliable sourse of internet information is academic and second is peers or someone generally the same as yourself?

67 percent believe an academic source
66 percent believe peers

So what does this mean?

It means that 66 percent of the people reading internet blogs will believe a blog that discredits TEFL International. I want to make it a point that the IDIOTS like cameltoe are NOT our graduates.

When our real graduates do complain (and it is not very often--as an example a recent posting on Daves was from a person with a name and Email that has never taken our course) we treat them with respect and try to resolve their problems.

Chairman Mao

Quote:

smeg, you were offered the chance to go down Ban Phe and sit in on an end of course thing, you didn't go...........

Sounds fair. As he'd be no doubt writing up a report on it to broadcast to the www. 'twould be best to record such an event to make sure the truth was always present. Everyone would be fairly represented. Video tape it maybe.

Ahh, that would be the obsessive psychotic paranoia Smeg.

Smeg

^Absolute crap. I decide myself how I evaluate things, and don't let the person/thing I'm evaluating tell me how I will and won't evaluate it and the conditions he/it will be evaluated under.

Anyway, what is the point of knocking this thread off course by referring back to that stuff DD?
You always favour people you have met in real life, Bruce in this case. What will you do when the time comes that two people you have met are in disagreement?!?

Camel Toe

I have to agree.

BTW I'm far from an idiot and so ad hominem is your defense, it is a logical fallacy taught to me and hundreds of thousands of others in high school. Why not try a technique a little newer than two-Century-old philosophical doctrines?

I'd never read about your school on TW, have no interest in training programs at all, don't need one and neither do half the people who buy them. What drew my attention to you and your school was you! When I saw your homeschool thread I searched your name and saw how sorrowfully you handled yourself, never for a minute would I take what some guy says on a blog as God's word. You convinced me your program might be lacking, just by reading, not reading about you, but by reading you.

Although I read all your report this thread whining five years ago I ignored it because your language was far too demanding, and the rest of us ignored it too.

Chairman Mao

^^ lol, you crack me up Freak, you really do!

Here, have a green for that man.

bruceveld

Lol.

When was the last time you said ANYTHING positive about a TEFL course in Thailand?

The fact that you seem incapable of ever being positive about Thai TESOL courses means you are incapable of objectivity! But we love you anyway...

dirtydog

I thought you was johnny rottens best buddy from ajarn....

Smeg

^^ No Bruce, the simple fact is that you think and behave as if you are wonderful and everything you do is great and everyone who knocks it is twisted and impartial.

No I don't. I have a few hunches, and I know what the reason you told me, but who is to say if that is the real reason. You don't come across as 100% trustworthy to me, sorry.

Chairman Mao

If by that you mean half the people who wish to tefl in Thailand don't need a tefl course to teach them at least the very basics of how to do it, then you're very wrong.

IME and valuation (thanks Smeg) of TEFLers here, a good deal need a lot more than that, but it's a very good start, and adequate for most (if they have the right attitude)

You might mean something else tho.