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bruceveld · 26-08-2008, 10:36 PM

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Like I posted earlier, some very well respected researchers would say that socialization we provide in years 1 to 6 is more harmful than helpful. That is certainly at least debatable.

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I was actually just answering a question by Kingwilly.

BTW, the guy who wrote Rich Dad Poor Dad also talks about this in one of his books--how he was considered borderline retarded because of his unorthodox learning style.

bruceveld · 26-08-2008, 10:39 PM

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I am not nearly so dogmatic.

How did you shake it?

I literally spent most of 3rd 4th and 5th grades in the hall. I talked back to the Nuns all the time. Either very brave or very stupid lol.

I consider myself very lucky to have been raised in the US because in most countries I would have been fast tracked to vocational training and out of the educational system. Instead I am probably one of the few people who increased their GPA at every level of my education. From C/D in grade school to B in high school to B+ in university to A- in grad school.

Mister Fixit · 26-08-2008, 10:42 PM

Yes, well, teachers on the whole are not the sharpest knives in the intellectual box and I can see that anyone who seemed out of the ordinary or seemed not to fit into a teacher-comfortable pigeon hole would be seen out of the ordinary and considered retarded or whatever.

You said teachers thought you had AD/HD - if you haven't just what DO you have?

dirtydog · 26-08-2008, 10:46 PM

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Yes, well, teachers on the whole are not the sharpest knives in the intellectual box

Milkman, factory workers, brick layers, yeah I see what you mean

bruceveld · 26-08-2008, 10:47 PM

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Yes, well, teachers on the whole are not the sharpest knives in the intellectual box and I can see that anyone who seemed out of the ordinary or seemed not to fit into a teacher-comfortable pigeon hole would be seen out of the ordinary and considered retarded or whatever.

You said teachers thought you had AD/HD - if you haven't just what DO you have?

Lol good question! I never believed I had ADD. Heck, I could read long books. give me something INTERETING and I could pay attention. Expect me to sit like some kind of caged animal quietly in a desk all day and I had problems.

And our nuns were psycho, too. They gave us 3 hours of homework EVERY NIGHT. if there was nothing else to do they would give us 50 long division quesitons--anything to waste our time.

NickA · 26-08-2008, 10:49 PM

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BTW, the guy who wrote Rich Dad Poor Dad also talks about this in one of his books--how he was considered borderline retarded because of his unorthodox learning style.

I've read one of his books, the only thing they got wrong is that he wasn't borderline.

Mister Fixit · 26-08-2008, 11:37 PM

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Yes, well, teachers on the whole are not the sharpest knives in the intellectual box

Milkman, factory workers, brick layers, yeah I see what you mean

You're talking about TEFLers in Thailand - I'm talking about teachers everywhere and anywhere.

Mister Fixit · 26-08-2008, 11:41 PM

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Yes, well, teachers on the whole are not the sharpest knives in the intellectual box and I can see that anyone who seemed out of the ordinary or seemed not to fit into a teacher-comfortable pigeon hole would be seen out of the ordinary and considered retarded or whatever.

You said teachers thought you had AD/HD - if you haven't just what DO you have?

Lol good question! I never believed I had ADD.

Then I suspect you'd be wrong.

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Heck, I could read long books. give me something INTERETING and I could pay attention. Expect me to sit like some kind of caged animal quietly in a desk all day and I had problems.

Sounds right - need for constant stimulation, context sensitive ability to concentrate when the subject matter is interesting, inability to cope in a structured environment ...

Ever thought of going for a diagnosis, Fidgety Phil ...?

bruceveld · 26-08-2008, 11:49 PM

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Yes, well, teachers on the whole are not the sharpest knives in the intellectual box and I can see that anyone who seemed out of the ordinary or seemed not to fit into a teacher-comfortable pigeon hole would be seen out of the ordinary and considered retarded or whatever.

You said teachers thought you had AD/HD - if you haven't just what DO you have?

Lol good question! I never believed I had ADD.

Then I suspect you'd be wrong.

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Heck, I could read long books. give me something INTERETING and I could pay attention. Expect me to sit like some kind of caged animal quietly in a desk all day and I had problems.

Sounds right - need for constant stimulation, context sensitive ability to concentrate when the subject matter is interesting, inability to cope in a structured environment ...

Ever thought of going for a diagnosis, Fidgety Phil ...?

Wel when I was in 8th grade and still doing poorly in school I was sent to a psychologist who said, in his opinion, I never had ADD and that my test scores for intelligence were off the charts. He told my parents to get me away from the Nuns. He seemed to be right because once I left St. Lukes and went to a public high school my ADD mysteriously disappeared!

But you, having never met me, certainly are far more capable of seeing the truth.... LOL

Oh knife, sharpen thyself!

kingwilly · 27-08-2008, 10:23 AM

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Go to your nearest good bookstore and buy "Why Children Fail" by John Holt. His books are classics. I could write five pages on why he feels formal education is dangerous and counter productive. In QUICK summary: 1. Our children are exposed to social structures they are unable to handle at such an early age (bullies, rich vs poor, etc.) 2. Our children are taught that school and LEARNING is not enjoyable. 3. Only 30 percent of people are truly successful in the "memorize and regurgitate" enrironment of current schools. the rest feel like failures. From his book "Underachieving Schools" Holt says "At this time I was coming to realize that children see schools as a place of danger and that theyir mail goal is to stay out of danger."

How many other Education researchers cite his work then?

kingwilly · 27-08-2008, 10:25 AM

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BTW, the guy who wrote Rich Dad Poor Dad also talks about this in one of his books--how he was considered borderline retarded because of his unorthodox learning style.

Robot Kyosaki?

He has been discredited as a fake and a fraudstar.

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Instead I am probably one of the few people who increased their GPA at every level of my education.

oh you are so good.

Camel Toe · 27-08-2008, 01:19 PM

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Instead I am probably one of the few people who increased their GPA at every level of my education.

My school records show that as well. So, I ask myself: Is this a process that keeps on keeping on till I'm 120 years old? It might if I stayed in school that long. What kept my grades going higher and higher is that I learned how the system works, how one can actually do very little and be rewarded very big. Did you become corrupted in university as I did, Bruce?

My university mentor taught me one very valuable less in life: What you're learning in uni is very interesting, even intriguing. But never forget the real World is an ignorant place, your stay here is a distraction from that World. What you say about what you've achieved here will be of no interest to 99% on the people you'll meet once you step off campus. In fact they'll probably just think you're an asshole for bringing it up.

bruceveld · 27-08-2008, 02:42 PM

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Instead I am probably one of the few people who increased their GPA at every level of my education.

My school records show that as well. So, I ask myself: Is this a process that keeps on keeping on till I'm 120 years old? It might if I stayed in school that long. What kept my grades going higher and higher is that I learned how the system works, how one can actually do very little and be rewarded very big. Did you become corrupted in university as I did, Bruce?

My university mentor taught me one very valuable less in life: What you're learning in uni is very interesting, even intriguing. But never forget the real World is an ignorant place, your stay here is a distraction from that World. What you say about what you've achieved here will be of no interest to 99% on the people you'll meet once you step off campus. In fact they'll probably just think you're an asshole for bringing it up.

These really ARE words to live by!

Kingwilly, to a google search or wikipedia on the guy. he is legend.

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