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Torbek · 16-02-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bexar County Stud

A tragic reminder to take care out there on the roads, and more importantly, the only time to make tributes and show respect to someone is when they're alive.

Really? There goes the statue industry globally...

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It's nice that people can be moved over the passing of people they've never met, but gosh it's a bit like the Princess Di syndrome with all this wreath buying (making sure the donor's name is displayed front and center, love that) and convulsions of grief.

I'm as cynical the next prick...but in this instance, the overwhelming number of posts are actually from people who had physically met him. A bit of a rarity on ajarn.com...and I imagine most online forums.

Besides...what does it matter? His family seem comforted by the outpouring. Why should it bother you?

Bexar County Stud · 16-02-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Torbek

Really?

Uh, yes really.

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Originally Posted by Torbek

I'm as cynical the next prick...but in this instance, the overwhelming number of posts are actually from people who had physically met him.

That's not what I saw on the thread, although a lot of people did meet him and he did seem like a cool dude.

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Originally Posted by Torbek

Why should it bother you?

I'm not bothered at all, just making a personal observation and comparison with my own experiences with loss. I think such individual reactions are OK, do you? I think there's enough groupthink to go around on the other channel, and they've already got a handful of solemn tribute threads going strong.
I'm happy that the family is comforted by the outpouring. I don't see my comments as disrespectful of their feelings, but it seems you took it that way.

Torbek · 17-02-2008, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bexar County Stud

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Originally Posted by Torbek

Really?

Uh, yes really.

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Originally Posted by Torbek

I'm as cynical the next prick...but in this instance, the overwhelming number of posts are actually from people who had physically met him.

That's not what I saw on the thread, although a lot of people did meet him and he did seem like a cool dude.

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Originally Posted by Torbek

Why should it bother you?

I'm not bothered at all, just making a personal observation and comparison with my own experiences with loss. I think such individual reactions are OK, do you? I think there's enough groupthink to go around on the other channel, and they've already got a handful of solemn tribute threads going strong.
I'm happy that the family is comforted by the outpouring. I don't see my comments as disrespectful of their feelings, but it seems you took it that way.

I'm not disagreeing with some of the sentiments expressed here. As I said...I'm as cynical as the next prick.

I suppose I just figure it's not necessary...at the moment at least...to voice such sentiments.

The 'risk of honesty' doesn't alway carry a great measure of nobility. Especially when cloaked in cynicism.

Is there group think going on? Probably. Are some reactions a little over the top? Possibly.

But leave them to it...especially on the day of his cremation.

That's all I was trying to say...

dirtydog · 16-02-2008, 09:59 PM

So has the guy that killed him been arrested?

Or do the thai police just consider it as some dumb farang dead

Smeg · 16-02-2008, 10:51 PM

^ I didn't know there were any details on what happened or who caused it.

dirtydog · 16-02-2008, 10:53 PM

i thought he was run over on his bike and the driver fled the scene, taking a real wild guess i would assume the killer was a Thai as they fled the scene.

Smeg · 17-02-2008, 06:12 PM

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i thought he was run over on his bike and the driver fled the scene, taking a real wild guess i would assume the killer was a Thai as they fled the scene.

On ajarn this was denied and it was merely described as a "tragic accident" by someone close to him. So I presume that if nobody else was at fault, then he caused it himself. Although accidents are not intentional, they are always the result of at least person doing something risky. He might have fallen off and been run over. I saw exactly that yesterday in Bangkok. nobodys fault but the guy who decided to lie his bike down in front of fast traffic.

obsidian · 16-02-2008, 11:48 PM

not big on the human tendency to herd up and turn everything into religion myself, bcs. your opinion is appreciated. thanks for taking the risk of honesty.

obsidian · 17-02-2008, 08:20 AM

diversity of opinion and belief is a wonderful thing.

comments appreciated, tbec.

Torbek · 17-02-2008, 09:20 AM

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diversity of opinion and belief is a wonderful thing.

I agree entirely.

But also time and place.

The better man is able to recognise that and be big enough to to let the voicing of his (contrary) opinion slide for while in favour of others. Even if he is bloody sure he is right!

(Something I, unfortunately, do not seem to be able to do most of the time!

)

obsidian · 17-02-2008, 09:25 AM

perhaps.

what is the proper period of mourning (?) in this circumstance, in your view, t?

kingwilly · 17-02-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bexar County Stud

He did mention in one of his posts about getting caught riding without a helmet by the police. I don't know if this was a factor in his death, I hope not.

a mate of mine's g/f was knocked off her bike and spilt her helmet 2 days ago, thank god she had a helmet on.

Smeg · 17-02-2008, 06:38 PM

Helmets in Thailand seem to average about 200 Baht. This is how much value Thais place on their own life.

Mister Fixit · 17-02-2008, 09:14 PM

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Helmets in Thailand seem to average about 200 Baht. This is how much value Thais place on their own life.

Yes, when I wanted to buy a decent helmet here 3 years ago, I struggled to pay more than about 900 baht, and that was after a long search.

A bit less than the £400 or so cost of the cheaper helmets in the UK. Even aside from the normal over-pricing of rip-off Britain, it was minimal, to say the least.

Smeg · 17-02-2008, 07:39 PM

The final drink

Smeg · 17-02-2008, 07:40 PM

^ Eric, AO, and Cantona, according to forum commentary

ChiangMai noon · 17-02-2008, 07:45 PM

i thought cantona was about 23.

i am surprised by the early aging.

kingwilly · 17-02-2008, 07:47 PM

23 or 32 ?

or 3?

i thought AO had a long gray pony tail.

ChiangMai noon · 17-02-2008, 07:49 PM

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i thought AO had a long gray pony tail.

don't think even he is that naff.

who is eric?

Mister Fixit · 17-02-2008, 09:11 PM

OK, FWIW, I was told on Friday night by a mate of his that he was going home at night on his motorbike and 'took his eyes off the road' and whacked up the back of a stationary lorry. Whoever wants to can draw whatever inference you like from that, as I have no further details.

As to whether he had appropriate insurance, I also do not know.

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16-02-2008, 09:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
dirtydog The Dog Last Online: Today 11:21 AM Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pattaya Jomtien Posts: 42,400	So has the guy that killed him been arrested? Or do the thai police just consider it as some dumb farang dead

16-02-2008, 10:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
Smeg Thaiophile slayer Last Online: Today 02:19 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A charming yet pathetic country Posts: 4,386	^ I didn't know there were any details on what happened or who caused it.

16-02-2008, 10:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
dirtydog The Dog Last Online: Today 11:21 AM Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pattaya Jomtien Posts: 42,400	i thought he was run over on his bike and the driver fled the scene, taking a real wild guess i would assume the killer was a Thai as they fled the scene.

16-02-2008, 11:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
obsidian I am in Jail Last Online: 21-01-2009 09:15 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,361	not big on the human tendency to herd up and turn everything into religion myself, bcs. your opinion is appreciated. thanks for taking the risk of honesty.

17-02-2008, 08:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
obsidian I am in Jail Last Online: 21-01-2009 09:15 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,361	diversity of opinion and belief is a wonderful thing. comments appreciated, tbec.

17-02-2008, 09:25 AM	#11 (permalink)
obsidian I am in Jail Last Online: 21-01-2009 09:15 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,361	perhaps. what is the proper period of mourning (?) in this circumstance, in your view, t?

17-02-2008, 06:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
Smeg Thaiophile slayer Last Online: Today 02:19 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A charming yet pathetic country Posts: 4,386	Helmets in Thailand seem to average about 200 Baht. This is how much value Thais place on their own life.

17-02-2008, 07:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
Smeg Thaiophile slayer Last Online: Today 02:19 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A charming yet pathetic country Posts: 4,386	The final drink

17-02-2008, 07:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
Smeg Thaiophile slayer Last Online: Today 02:19 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A charming yet pathetic country Posts: 4,386	^ Eric, AO, and Cantona, according to forum commentary

17-02-2008, 07:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
ChiangMai noon punk douche bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: o dan y bryn Posts: 28,059	i thought cantona was about 23. i am surprised by the early aging.

17-02-2008, 07:47 PM	#18 (permalink)
kingwilly Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 33,758	23 or 32 ? or 3? i thought AO had a long gray pony tail.

17-02-2008, 09:11 PM	#20 (permalink)
Mister Fixit Saraburi Last Online: 13-11-2009 10:01 PM Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: You'd be amazed Posts: 268	OK, FWIW, I was told on Friday night by a mate of his that he was going home at night on his motorbike and 'took his eyes off the road' and whacked up the back of a stationary lorry. Whoever wants to can draw whatever inference you like from that, as I have no further details. As to whether he had appropriate insurance, I also do not know.

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