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obsidian · 08-02-2008, 04:39 PM

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i know a teacher that got busted for buying dope while supervising a field trip in bkk. consequence? kept on at his uni and he plead guilty to purchase/possession with intent and paid his fine. total joke.

A field trip at a University?

With 18-21 year olds?

Did they all carry sack lunches and line up when the teacher raised the flag and blew his whistle?

Use a few grad students as heavies, to keep the boys from pulling the girls hair and stop the damn note-passing?

tex --- you are out of your element. stick with taxidermy and collecting pirate eye patches.

Torbek · 10-02-2008, 08:46 AM

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[ field trip at a University?

With 18-21 year olds?

Unfortunately, it's all too true.

I've ben involved in a couple. Supervised field trips. Chaperones. All students in uniform. Singing uni songs and waving uni flags.

Par for the course...

Treated like children until they are 22 then suddenl become adults overnight...no wonder they are so fucked up as adults! Still need the same level of guidance and control as they did as students.

Thought you'd have been around Thailand long enough to have run into it from time to time, even if you aren't involved in teaching?

Hootad Binky · 12-02-2008, 04:00 AM

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in thailand buddhism is a religion. come on david, get real.

In Thailand Buddhism is mostly a tradition. People in saffron robes use tattoos, amulets, spirit houses and magic spells to help lay people acquire material wealth. They call themselves monks and they describe this hocus pocus as Buddhism - it's not.

Monks/lay people who follow dhamma live lives restricted by precepts (no hocu pocus) and use vipassana meditation as a means to observe and develop their mind. Buddhism as Buddha taught is a way to live a moral live. Buddha stated before he died that he didn't want his Teachings to become a religion.

Mahayana or Theravada? Which one is correct, and why?

Religion cannot be discussed in pristine isolation, it will be interpreted and practiced by human beings in different ways, with differing interpretations. Hence all religions' claims to the "truth" are suspect.

Which is why it shouldn't be taught in school.

DaveRobin · 12-02-2008, 07:58 AM

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in thailand buddhism is a religion. come on david, get real.

In Thailand Buddhism is mostly a tradition. People in saffron robes use tattoos, amulets, spirit houses and magic spells to help lay people acquire material wealth. They call themselves monks and they describe this hocus pocus as Buddhism - it's not.

Monks/lay people who follow dhamma live lives restricted by precepts (no hocu pocus) and use vipassana meditation as a means to observe and develop their mind. Buddhism as Buddha taught is a way to live a moral live. Buddha stated before he died that he didn't want his Teachings to become a religion.

Mahayana or Theravada? Which one is correct, and why?

Religion cannot be discussed in pristine isolation, it will be interpreted and practiced by human beings in different ways, with differing interpretations. Hence all religions' claims to the "truth" are suspect.

Which is why it shouldn't be taught in school.

Buddha taught that everything should be questioned and your reality is YOUR reality so how can the words of another (Bible, Koran) contain the truth. The truth cannot be found in a temple, church or pope. That's why Insight meditation is used. We spend all our lives looking out at a material world but truth, whatever truth is, can only be found within you. Buddhism as taught by Buddha is a practical means to discover your truth; it doesn't tell you the truth as that's for you to discover.

panama hat · 12-02-2008, 09:59 AM

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We spend all our lives looking out at a material world but truth, whatever truth is, can only be found within you

And that, Dave, is YOUR interpretation, which is no different froma nyone else, in terms of validity.

Discussion of religion is such a heated topic simply because it is so emotive. There are no rights or wrongs, just beliefs . . . individual or collective (I believe you are stating something similar)

obsidian · 12-02-2008, 10:03 AM

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Buddhism/Dhamma is a moral way to live your life - which Thai school do you know that does that?

Dave,

I'll speak slowly and give you a quick list......ready.....

EVERY government school. Not some, not just a few....every government school.

In 95% of private schools. The only schools that don't teach Buddhism are the schools based around another religion/moral way to lead your life.

Next question?

this merits at least a nod of recognition if not a thank you, david.

Hootad Binky · 13-02-2008, 01:48 AM

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in thailand buddhism is a religion. come on david, get real.

In Thailand Buddhism is mostly a tradition. People in saffron robes use tattoos, amulets, spirit houses and magic spells to help lay people acquire material wealth. They call themselves monks and they describe this hocus pocus as Buddhism - it's not.

Monks/lay people who follow dhamma live lives restricted by precepts (no hocu pocus) and use vipassana meditation as a means to observe and develop their mind. Buddhism as Buddha taught is a way to live a moral live. Buddha stated before he died that he didn't want his Teachings to become a religion.

Mahayana or Theravada? Which one is correct, and why?

Religion cannot be discussed in pristine isolation, it will be interpreted and practiced by human beings in different ways, with differing interpretations. Hence all religions' claims to the "truth" are suspect.

Which is why it shouldn't be taught in school.

Buddha taught that everything should be questioned and your reality is YOUR reality so how can the words of another (Bible, Koran) contain the truth. The truth cannot be found in a temple, church or pope. That's why Insight meditation is used. We spend all our lives looking out at a material world but truth, whatever truth is, can only be found within you. Buddhism as taught by Buddha is a practical means to discover your truth; it doesn't tell you the truth as that's for you to discover.

Is that ^ taught in Thai schools? Or are they getting the "Thais are #1 Buddhists" version?

All sounds very subjective to me, hardly empirical.

DaveRobin · 13-02-2008, 09:28 AM

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in thailand buddhism is a religion. come on david, get real.

In Thailand Buddhism is mostly a tradition. People in saffron robes use tattoos, amulets, spirit houses and magic spells to help lay people acquire material wealth. They call themselves monks and they describe this hocus pocus as Buddhism - it's not.

Monks/lay people who follow dhamma live lives restricted by precepts (no hocu pocus) and use vipassana meditation as a means to observe and develop their mind. Buddhism as Buddha taught is a way to live a moral live. Buddha stated before he died that he didn't want his Teachings to become a religion.

Mahayana or Theravada? Which one is correct, and why?

Religion cannot be discussed in pristine isolation, it will be interpreted and practiced by human beings in different ways, with differing interpretations. Hence all religions' claims to the "truth" are suspect.

Which is why it shouldn't be taught in school.

Buddha taught that everything should be questioned and your reality is YOUR reality so how can the words of another (Bible, Koran) contain the truth. The truth cannot be found in a temple, church or pope. That's why Insight meditation is used. We spend all our lives looking out at a material world but truth, whatever truth is, can only be found within you. Buddhism as taught by Buddha is a practical means to discover your truth; it doesn't tell you the truth as that's for you to discover.

Is that ^ taught in Thai schools? Or are they getting the "Thais are #1 Buddhists" version?

All sounds very subjective to me, hardly empirical.

All very subjective indeed. Belief is hardly empirical and therefore shouldn't be taught in school.

CSFFan · 13-02-2008, 10:07 AM

Dave,

In June, the school year starts again. Why don't you come and talk to the monk that comes to teach the students at my school? I know you'd be more than welcome. Find out for yourself, then comment.

I'm a Christian, so I couldn't comment effectively on what is taught, but with your background you could make a more informed decision.

good2bhappy · 13-02-2008, 12:05 PM

Regarding Nong and Pee.
I have a younger brother a Nong Chai. He has 2 daughters both older than my daughter. As his senior that makes my Look Sao the pee of their cousins?
Is that correct?

DaveRobin · 13-02-2008, 02:43 PM

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Regarding Nong and Pee.
I have a younger brother a Nong Chai. He has 2 daughters both older than my daughter. As his senior that makes my Look Sao the pee of their cousins?
Is that correct?

but if they go to toilet together they'll be Look Pee

good2bhappy · 13-02-2008, 02:50 PM

Excellent Dave

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CSFFan Thailand Expat Last Online: 17-10-2009 11:33 PM Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangkok Posts: 1,024	Dave, In June, the school year starts again. Why don't you come and talk to the monk that comes to teach the students at my school? I know you'd be more than welcome. Find out for yourself, then comment. I'm a Christian, so I couldn't comment effectively on what is taught, but with your background you could make a more informed decision.

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good2bhappy Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 11:09 PM Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Klong Samwa Posts: 11,057	Regarding Nong and Pee. I have a younger brother a Nong Chai. He has 2 daughters both older than my daughter. As his senior that makes my Look Sao the pee of their cousins? Is that correct?

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