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Bluecat · 05-10-2007, 11:41 PM

To answer the OP: "Teachers, why so negative"
Pretty simple, anybody speaking English and desperate to stay in Thailand will apply to be an English teacher.
Knowing nothing about teaching.
And usually very little about the English language...

Marmite the Dog · 06-10-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Controversial

From what I read here some of you will not put your children into expensive private schools because, you beleive the standard system here to be uncapable of teaching the English language to a high standard.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Controversial

Personnally I think this just hones the point that you need to be qualified to teach our language..

Why?

The reason Thai schools don't teach English very well is because the vast majority of Thai English teachers have very poor levels of English and shouldn't be teaching it in the first place.

colourful-era · 06-10-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mellow

You young English teachers might remember, what the ant said to the grasshopper

no never heard that one - what did the ant say to the grasshopper?

mellow · 07-10-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by colourful-era

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Originally Posted by mellow

You young English teachers might remember, what the ant said to the grasshopper

no never heard that one - what did the ant say to the grasshopper?

link to the answer, dear teacher:
Aesop's Fables

colourful-era · 06-10-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mellow

I could never understand why a teacher, who could make 40 or $45,000/yr. working 160-180 days per year, would come to Thailand to teach for peanuts.

sounds like you are another one confusing 'Tefl' with 'School Teaching'

Controversial · 07-10-2007, 11:22 AM

sounds like you are another one confusing 'Tefl' with 'School Teaching'[/quote]

Hang on let me get this straight.

Your work permit reads "Teacher"

You work in a "School"

You are called an "Ajarn"

You use books to impart "Knowledge"

You have "Students"

But you are not a teacher,your statement some where was

" Utter ********" enough said...!!!!!!!!!

Controversial · 07-10-2007, 04:38 PM

Your work permit reads "Teacher"

I guess attention to detail is another area that has its shortcomings..!!!

Or , maybe I misunderstand you? You are telling me that your work permit reads:

This individual may teach in the following locations,

Bars..

Macdonalds

colourful-era · 06-10-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluecat

To answer the OP: "Teachers, why so negative" Pretty simple, anybody speaking English and desperate to stay in Thailand will apply to be an English teacher. Knowing nothing about teaching. And usually very little about the English language...

Utter bollocks..

NickA · 07-10-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Controversial

You work in a "School"

TEFLers might teach in hotels, businesses, home, the students home, language centres, MacDonalds, hospitals, shops, bars, universities or schools.

Little Chuchok · 07-10-2007, 04:54 PM

What a lovely white forum this is.

mad_dog · 07-10-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

What a lovely white forum this is.

Don't bring race into it mofo.

^^^ I'm a kru not an ajarn. Most of the Thai English teachers at my school don't have degrees in education or English. They just have to have any degree and speak English well. Its a revolutionary concept in Thailand but it gets results.

Olyshu · 07-10-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mad_dog

I like my job. I have a good income. I think my work is rewarding. I don't feel perscuted by the Thai government. My students are well behaved and I good working relationshiops with my colleagues (Thai and farang). I haven't lived "from pay check to pay check" since my first year when I came out here straight from uni with no cash. I don't consider the time I have spent in Thailand (almost five years) will be a black mark on my CV in anyway. I plan to study at a post graduate level in the future and I feel in no way "trapped" in Thailand.

I think it is the fakes and sex toursits that have brought this negativity into the teaching profession and I dearly hope that the Thai government tightens regulations further to get rid of all the scum bag teachers that are giving the rest of us a bad name.

Me thinks thou doth protest to much.....

Right "teacher".

colourful-era · 07-10-2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Controversial

Hang on let me get this straight. Your work permit reads "Teacher" You work in a "School" You are called an "Ajarn" You use books to impart "Knowledge" You have "Students" But you are not a teacher,your statement some where was " Utter ********" enough said...!!!!!!!!!

Not Utter B***** at all.

Mellow was refering to the circumstances of a school teacher in the West.

It is not the same as teaching EFL abroad.

Horseman · 12-10-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NickA

TEFLers might teach in hotels, businesses, home, the students home, language centres, MacDonalds, hospitals, shops, bars, universities or schools.

I love McDonalds...you think I could get a job there? Bars would be nice too, but as a good Christian I don't think that would be appropriate.

GooMaiRoo · 19-10-2007, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mad_dog

I like my job. I have a good income. I think my work is rewarding. I don't feel perscuted by the Thai government. My students are well behaved and I good working relationshiops with my colleagues (Thai and farang). I haven't lived "from pay check to pay check" since my first year when I came out here straight from uni with no cash. I don't consider the time I have spent in Thailand (almost five years) will be a black mark on my CV in anyway. I plan to study at a post graduate level in the future and I feel in no way "trapped" in Thailand.I think it is the fakes and sex toursits that have brought this negativity into the teaching profession and I dearly hope that the Thai government tightens regulations further to get rid of all the scum bag teachers that are giving the rest of us a bad name.

I like your positive outlook.Teaching in Thailand has given you a good life in a great country because you are probably a good teacher and who has adapted to Thai culture. I would, however, disagree that tightening regulations will improve the quality of teachers. Some of the worst teachers I knew were properly certified with advanced university degrees. Many of the best teachers were alcoholics with Kaosan Road diplomas who wouldn't know an adverb if it hit them in the face. From my experience teaching in Thailand, I saw that the ability to engage and motivate students was by far the most important ingredient to success. I'm not sure what the answer is. Certainly, the perverts and criminals should be screened out. But to select teachers on the basis of university degrees may very well lead to a lot of very bored Thai students who will learn even less than they are learning now.

colourful-era · 19-10-2007, 03:14 PM

^ I agree with much of that - also the ones with the top degrees tend to complain more - what gives them that right?

so what if they have a PHD in Tefl - Tefl here is a business - what employer wants a smart ass telling them how to run their ship...

NickA · 19-10-2007, 07:42 PM

^Typical is 16-20 hours, 25 is a lot of teaching.

Govt school is now about 35-40k baht in Bangkok, Bilingual and private schools would be 40-60k I think. International can be anything from 50-200k baht, but on normally it's between 80-120k baht.

This info is just from hearsay, the reality could be very different.

machangezi · 20-10-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NickA

^Typical is 16-20 hours, 25 is a lot of teaching.

Govt school is now about 35-40k baht in Bangkok, Bilingual and private schools would be 40-60k I think. International can be anything from 50-200k baht, but on normally it's between 80-120k baht.

This info is just from hearsay, the reality could be very different.

I heard something different though.

Upto 20 hours, gov't schools pay 35K, bilingual and private upto 40K and international is from 50K-120K.

Anyone else?

NickA · 20-10-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by machangezi

Upto 20 hours, gov't schools pay 35K, bilingual and private upto 40K and international is from 50K-120K.

All wrong as far as I know, Government schools can pay up to 40 and so private schools normally pay 40+.

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Bluecat The Cat Last Online: 26-04-2009 08:06 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangkok Posts: 1,691	To answer the OP: "Teachers, why so negative" Pretty simple, anybody speaking English and desperate to stay in Thailand will apply to be an English teacher. Knowing nothing about teaching. And usually very little about the English language... Last edited by Bluecat : 05-10-2007 at 11:42 PM. Reason: Spelling

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Controversial Kamala Beach Last Online: 16-09-2008 01:55 AM Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In Thailand Posts: 19	sounds like you are another one confusing 'Tefl' with 'School Teaching'[/quote] Hang on let me get this straight. Your work permit reads "Teacher" You work in a "School" You are called an "Ajarn" You use books to impart "Knowledge" You have "Students" But you are not a teacher,your statement some where was " Utter ****" enough said...!!!!!!!!! Last edited by Controversial : 07-10-2007 at 11:23 AM. Reason: mistake

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Controversial Kamala Beach Last Online: 16-09-2008 01:55 AM Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In Thailand Posts: 19	Your work permit reads "Teacher" I guess attention to detail is another area that has its shortcomings..!!! Or , maybe I misunderstand you? You are telling me that your work permit reads: This individual may teach in the following locations, Bars.. Macdonalds

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colourful-era born of a jackal Last Online: 15-07-2008 07:05 PM Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Phnom Penh Posts: 2,551	^ I agree with much of that - also the ones with the top degrees tend to complain more - what gives them that right? so what if they have a PHD in Tefl - Tefl here is a business - what employer wants a smart ass telling them how to run their ship...

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NickA This is not my avatar Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 11,389	^Typical is 16-20 hours, 25 is a lot of teaching. Govt school is now about 35-40k baht in Bangkok, Bilingual and private schools would be 40-60k I think. International can be anything from 50-200k baht, but on normally it's between 80-120k baht. This info is just from hearsay, the reality could be very different.

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