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    How are Thai Children Educated Regarding "Democracy"

    There are many posters here working, in some way, in the Education arena. I wonder how the introduction of other experiences from other sources would be accepted?

    I came across an article recently from an Canadian who has had a relationship with an ameristani who was approached by a Russian and invited to teach Russian children a subject regarding "political education".

    Here is a link to article:

    https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2018/06/20/yes-putin-once-dreamed-the-american-dream/


    and here a video where the ameristan educator speaks of the experience:



    The educator appears to confirm the experiment was and possible is still being taught. The video is dated 2015.
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    Please keep them stupid.

    Now continue on.

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    Democracy. What type of so-called Democracy might we be speaking of?

    The consistently politically corrupt government blessed corporatism [and deep associated practices] that numbingly disguises itself as a benign and benevolent democracy?
    And universally practiced.......in unveritable forms.

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    How are Thai Children Educated Regarding "Democracy"?

    The idea is taught as part of the curriculum in primary school from year one in Social Studies classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    How are Thai Children Educated Regarding "Democracy""

    The idea is taught as part of the curriculum in primary school - in year one.
    When they've got no idea or interest.
    After that, it's accept what we feed you.
    I only ever broached the subject, very innocuously, with my M5 class of very bright students. I felt the discomfort immediately and tactfully diverted to something else. I did plant a seed though, because they were both my English and my maths students. Talking about averages and populations and how the average population is not the brightest, thus the majority choices may not be the most intelligent choices and it's up to the intelligent citizens to educate the masses.
    It's the biggest flaw of an unqualified democracy that the mob rules, effectively.

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    The Basic Education Core Curriculum 2008

    Social Studies, Religion and Culture

    Strand 2:
    Civics, Culture and Living in Society

    Standard So2.2:
    Understanding of political and administrative systems of the present society; adherence to, faith in and upholding of the democratic form of government under constitutional monarchy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    How are Thai Children Educated Regarding "Democracy"?

    The idea is taught as part of the curriculum in primary school from year one in Social Studies classes.
    Yes, I believe so.
    And usually continues through the secondary level, in one form or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    adherence to,
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    faith in
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    and upholding of
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    under constitutional monarchy
    Get them while they're young and impressionable.

    Will just pointing those things out raise the ire of Birding and AO?

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    Maybe someone can explain what they think democracy is in the real practical sense and then we can understand what Thai children can be taught.

    Something like, a pickup truck drives around the village with loud speakers and then the village cheif tells my parents where to put an X on a form. Then a guy goes to bangko and trries to get his share of the budget so he can pay the village chief for his help.

    Or every four years we the public get to decide who we want to represent us in parliament and when the result is decided the government does what it wants and if we don't like it we have to wait 4 years to try and change the people.

    Or , Every so often we get to vote we are bombarded with opinions from social media to the point we can't tell who is going to do what and who we can believe . So we pick someone to go to Washington so they can make a fortune from lobbyists and vote fro things that large corporations want to do.

    So what is democracy? I'm not looking for the dictionary definition or some idealist twaddle.
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    LOL,

    Last year I taught a bit of civics, going over the various forms of governments. I ensured every student there knew the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Maybe someone can explain what they think democracy is in the real practical sense and then we can understand what Thai children can be taught.

    Something like, a pickup truck drives around the village with loud speakers and then the village cheif tells my parents where to put an X on a form. Then a guy goes to bangko and trries to get his share of the budget so he can pay the village chief for his help.

    Or every four years we the public get to decide who we want to represent us in parliament and when the result is decided the government does what it wants and if we don't like it we have to wait 4 years to try and change the people.

    Or , Every so often we get to vote we are bombarded with opinions from social media to the point we can't tell who is going to do what and who we can believe . So we pick someone to go to Washington so they can make a fortune from lobbyists and vote fro things that large corporations want to do.

    So what is democracy? I'm not looking for the dictionary definition or some idealist twaddle.

    Or...perhaps, Thai children witness and observe the everyday freedoms, independence, and self-sufficiency [of families and community] that has gone on forever - seemingly contradicting the highly manufactured, and outsider charged, ideals of such political/economic systems may ensue - even when said outsiders don't really understand what this supposed democracy state might be, as they've never really experienced, or practiced, the beloved ideals themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFFan View Post
    LOL,

    Last year I taught a bit of civics, going over the various forms of governments. I ensured every student there knew the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship.
    Lol, but sadly the majority of them know that when a farang (or Thai with anything but a yellow shirt on) points these distinctions out, it is information to be blindly ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Or...perhaps,
    Yeah, perhaps.
    And perhaps pigs fly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Lol, but sadly the majority of them know that when a farang (or Thai with anything but a yellow shirt on) points these distinctions out, it is information to be blindly ignored.

    I believe you might want to get out more and expose yourself to experience a variety of Thai young ones.
    You might be surprised.

    Considering, that you insist on taking everything in from your very isolated textbook stereotypical vision.
    Pathetic. Haven't a clue.

    Superior Farang Illusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    I believe you might want to get out more and expose yourself to experience a variety of Thai young ones.
    You might be surprised.

    Considering, that you insist on taking everything in from your very isolated textbook stereotypical vision.
    Pathetic. Haven't a clue,
    Did I read that correctly?

    A guy in Portland just told someone working in a Thai school that he hasn't a clue about what goes on in Thai schools?

    You're a really special case, jeff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Lol, but sadly the majority of them know that when a farang (or Thai with anything but a yellow shirt on) points these distinctions out, it is information to be blindly ignored.
    Oddly enough, I agree with Jeff [by the way, how's the weather in Portland?].

    All Thais understand the difference, the children are taught that to disagree with anyone in authority is a social mistake and it makes them a bad person.

    In the time I've been here, I've seen the airport shutdown for months and people shot dead in the street, both civilians and army in protests against the government. I had a firefight one night just a couple of blocks down from where I live between students and red shirts.

    People know the difference, believe me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    How are Thai Children Educated Regarding "Democracy"?

    The idea is taught as part of the curriculum in primary school from year one in Social Studies classes.
    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Yes, I believe so.
    And usually continues through the secondary level, in one form or another.
    Here are the Grade Level Indicators for grades 1 to 12.


    Grade 1
    1. Tell the structure, roles and duties of family members in school.
    2. Specify their own roles, rights and duties in family and in school.
    3. Participate in decisionmaking and take part in family and school activities through democratic processes.

    Grade 2
    1. Explain the relationship between themselves and family members as part of the community.
    2. Specify those with the roles and authority in decisionmaking in school and community.

    Grade 3
    1. Specify the roles and duties of community members in participating in various activities through democratic processes.
    2. Analyse differences of decision-making processes in class, school and community by means of direct voting and by electing representatives to vote.
    3. Cite examples of changes in classroom, school and community resulting from decisions of individuals and groups of persons.

    Grade 4
    1. Explain sovereign power and the importance of the democratic system.
    2. Explain the people’s roles and duties in the election process.
    3. Explain the importance of the monarchy in the democratic form of government under constitutional monarchy.

    Grade 5
    1. Explain the structure, power, duties and importance of local administration.
    2. Specify the roles, duties and methods of assuming posts in local administrations.
    3. Analyse the benefits to be received by communities from local administration organisations.

    Grade 6
    1. Compare the roles and duties of local administrations and those of the central government.
    2. Participate in various activities that promote democracy in local areas and in the country.
    3. Discuss the role and importance of exercising electoral rights in the democratic system.

    Grade 7
    1. Explain in brief the principles, intents, structure and important substance of the current Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand.
    2. Explain the role of balancing sovereign powers in the current Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand.
    3. Observe the provisions of the current Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand concerning themselves.

    Grade 8
    1. Explain the legislative process.
    2.Analyse the political and administrative data and informationaffecting the present Thaisociety.

    Grade 9
    1. Explain various forms of government adopted at present.
    2. Make a comparative analysis of Thailand’s form of government and those of other countries with democratic systems of government.
    3. Analyse various provisions of the current Constitution relating to elections, participation and checking application of state power.
    4. Analyse problematic issues that hamper democratic development of Thailand and propose guidelines for remedial
    measures.

    Grades 10 to 12
    1. Analyse important political issues of various countries from various sources of data as well as propose guidelines
    for remedial measures.
    2. Propose political and administrative guidelines leading to creating understanding and mutual benefits among countries.
    3. Analyse the importance and necessity to uphold the democratic form of government under constitutional monarchy.
    4. Propose guidelines and participate in checking application of state power.
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    An outstanding, and interesting post. I really enjoyed the video. Thank you for sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    I believe you might want to get out more and expose yourself to experience a variety of Thai young ones.
    You might be surprised.

    Considering, that you insist on taking everything in from your very isolated textbook stereotypical vision.
    Pathetic. Haven't a clue.

    Superior Farang Illusions.
    Ditto!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Did I read that correctly?

    A guy in Portland just told someone working in a Thai school that he hasn't a clue about what goes on in Thai schools?

    You're a really special case, jeff.
    Do you seriously believe that a real school teacher (anywhere) has the time, or head-space, to be posting comments (on any forum), throughout the morning, noon & night,.....huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen View Post
    Do you seriously believe that a real school teacher (anywhere) has the time, or head-space, to be posting comments (on any forum), throughout the morning, noon & night,.....huh?
    You have no idea what my speciality is nor who my students are. It's quite unimaginative to assume every teacher is a 40 hour a week, 9 to 5 worker.

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    Am I the only one who actually watched the video? He never mentions what democracy is. It is regular free elections and a free press and police/army protection of those freedoms. A judiciary and relatively stable constitution (rules) to specify those freedoms. A bunch of other stuff but without the regular free elections it is not a democracy. One candidate elections are not an election. Thai people don't know this or hide it very well if they do. Someone comes to the village and pays you to vote for a particular person, kind of like Chicago.

    The guy in the video sounds like a Russian shill like Jenna Abrams. Is he on the Mueller list of Russian trolls who interfered with the election?
    Last edited by mark45y; 12-07-2018 at 09:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Here are the Grade Level Indicators for grades 1 to 12.
    Thanks for that. It appears more comprehensive that anything I remember being taught during my school days.

    Quote Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen View Post
    I really enjoyed the video.
    I read the article first but the guy's video was great insight to somebody from his military background and into his experience with the education system along how he, as a foreigner, his views were accepted and acted upon, allegedly, at the highest of levels. But then as he said, the infighting to be heard can be brutal, but once a decision was made, everyone accepted it and got down to ensure a successful outcome was achieved.

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    President Donald Trump is the target of an ongoing "Deep State" conspiracy to prevent him establishing better relations with Russia and eventually to drive him from office, retired Canadian diplomat Patrick Armstrong told Sputnik.

    Sorry but reading the above I think you have been duped and got a hold of a Russian Troll Farmer. Check out his writings https://patrickarmstrong.ca/

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Democracy. What type of so-called Democracy might we be speaking of?

    The consistently politically corrupt government blessed corporatism [and deep associated practices] that numbingly disguises itself as a benign and benevolent democracy?
    And universally practiced.......in unveritable forms.
    A least you are familiar with the shortcomings of US political science. Unveritable is not actually a word by the way.

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