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    How do you teach 7 to 12 yr old

    When a private company(not sure if Govt funded) teaches children that have very little capability of speaking English, how do they start teaching the kids.?

    When i was in England such a company have come to the area, proposed such classes, the cost was cheap 1990baht.
    The families were greeted with a English speaking teacher, from England and where told he would be there teacher.

    Seems when the classes started a Thai teacher arrived, been back a few days now and kept asking son teacher thai or English, thai reply everyday.

    I went to pick up son today from the school about 20 mins early as i wanted to see what was going on, i waited outside room, and was looking through a slit in the curtain, whilst there i never heard her speak no English

    When the class finished i went in and spoke with her, i asked her what happened to the English teacher from England i not know she replied, i then asked the company told the locals the teacher was going to be from England are you there teacher for the whole course Yes she responded.( her English was no better than a bar girls)

    I never said anything more and returned home to look at the worksheets my son had, what surprised me was they were teaching cardinal and ordinal numbers when most of the kids do not even know how to count.

    There Written English was atrocious and some of it made no sense whatsoever.

    Is this the Norm, i expect this from my sons school teacher but from A supposed English teaching school.

    seems a lot of the Kids families could not afford to pay at one time so the school is taking instalments, before i start calling them all the twats under the sun is this normal for the school to rip off poor kids families?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post

    There Written English was atrocious
    Where ?

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    1990 baht for a term or year?

    Even with 50 kids in class that's only 100,000 baht before costs. Not much for an expat's living costs.

    What do you expect?

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    Government policy may dictate that English must be part of the curriculum, or perhaps the school wishes to boost it's image and coffers, but teaching English to all is not beneficial to all. Why teach English when a local dialect is predominant to children that are not instilled with the notion of linguistic capital and the perceived social benefits of English?

    It's a difficult job that a teacher may have hoisted upon them, when their English language skills are insufficient to teach any thing more than basic lexis, let alone the meaning, context or grammatical structure.

    In these circumstances it is ridiculous to suggest that all English language lessons should be strictly in English. For teachers of students whose career trajectory falls way below that of the middle class ideals that revere English education, it is necessary to use the native language to facilitate learning a modicum of English and so tick the boxes required by the school board.

    There has been a lot of controversy in Malaysia over the years regarding the teaching of English, because it is seen as commodity that benefits only those that can afford it and those that promote it, while leaving the majority struggling to with the added burden it places on the curriculum.

    If you want good quality English education for your kids, then you will need to find a school that teaches good quality English, rather than one that pays lip service to commercial pressure, and no doubt you will pay a lot more for it.
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    pragmatic its not a matter of them trying to wind me up, to be fair i looked at it from a point heres the thai kids families who are trying to better there kids and you have a thai company shafting them up the ass, even though the company knows most can't afford it.

    To me the money its not much, to the average Thai in the countryside its a fortune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    is this normal for the school to rip off poor kids families?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    How do you teach 7 to 12 yr old
    With a bull-whip and/or Tazer teach them up to the number 6 and then give homework to figure out what comes next!

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    well ive read the post, several times, and your use of english is more than averagely off making it somewhere cryptic.... but I cannot see anything in the OP answers willies question. per year, term or month.

    ask for these classes, whatever or whoever has organised them has used bait and switch marketing to take money from people who can ill afford to waste money and have little capacity to do much about it. a very scummy and exploitative thing to do and something many businessmen in thailand happy to do.

    Given that for better or worse english is essentially the common language of business even between non english speaking countries there will be economic benefit to the nation to have a critical mass of decent english speakers, and for those involved in academia where english gains access to a wider body of knowledge, working for companies with international links or tourism the gains of speaking english will be significant. for the rest beyond the personal pleasure of speaking a second or third language, it will be of little economic use to them.

    Seems to me that within the current capacity of the education system it would be better to concentrate on identifying those with a facility to learn languages and help them maximise their talent.... rather than trying an failing to teach english to all of the children.

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    Hazz as pointed out the locals where promised a English teacher from England which is a con Mr wanking skype seems to only wish to post what he thinks and not facts



    Even with 50 kids in class that's only 100,000 baht before costs. Not much for an expat's living costs.

    What do you expect?[/quote]

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    Jaysus, are you trolling? I cannot believe someone could really be this thick.

    1990 baht pays for how many minutes, hours, lessons, days, weeks, months, terms or years?

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    considering you not even live in Thailand ? how the fuck would you know.

    where you live bali indonesia?

    lets put it into simpletons terms for you, you get promised a ENGLISH speaking teacher from ENGLAND and get a Thai non speaking English teacher is that a con or is that just business?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    considering you not even live in Thailand ? how the fuck would you know.

    where you live bali indonesia?

    lets put it into simpletons terms for you, you get promised a ENGLISH speaking teacher from ENGLAND and get a Thai non speaking English teacher is that a con or is that just business?
    Yaso, willy's asking a perfectly reasonable question and where he lives dosn't really enter it. let me explain,

    if they promised an english speaking teacher, provided a thai teacher and charged the going rate for a thai teacher. then they are just using deceptive marketing

    If they are charging the going rate for a native english speaker and provide a thai teacher then its a fraud and scam

    To work out wether or not the rate is reasonable for a native english speaker, one needs to know how much they are paying for each hour of teaching.

    Now you came on TD and asked us what we thought. we have given you our opinions which are that we need more information and the quality of English in your OP was piss poor. And all you do is throw abuse back... so why ask the question in the first place if you have no interest in the answers.

    now you might be all upset about us having a go at your english. but the OP is particularly bad and at the same time was criticising a thai english teacher.... so its quite reasonable to comment on your english quality. I imagine her excuse is that she is thai, a native thai speaker and a product of the piss poor thai english teaching program... whats yours?

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    Have poor English skills doesn't exclude a person from having aspirations for their kids.
    Willy's a cock, everyone knows it.
    The point here is English as a commodity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    lets put it into simpletons terms for you, you get promised a ENGLISH speaking teacher from ENGLAND and get a Thai non speaking English teacher is that a con or is that just business?
    I could promise you that I'd take you kid to school in a late model porsche 911 with private driver for 3 a week, would you be surprised if all you received was a 1960s yellow school bus?

    But the to give them the benefit of the doubt, perhaps the school really did try and get a farang for that price, maybe they paid for advertisments, got someone to fly over, start working and then the mincer up and left and what are they to do? Money's been spent, and not really their fault.

    Tis the fault of the stupid and gullible who think they can get something for nothing, innit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Have poor English skills doesn't exclude a person from having aspirations for their kids.
    Willy's a cock, everyone knows it.
    The point here is English as a commodity.
    Thought you had me on ignore?

    Anyway, English language is the commodity, and like all commodities a fair price needs to be paid. As Hazz mentioned above (congrats on reaching 5,000 posts btw) the school could be guilty of deceptive marketing, fraud or struggling to actually provide a qualified expat, which is harder than it sounds.

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    Problem solved.

    When you know how to work the locals anything is possible, PYB and local officials this morning contacted the head office of company, and told them to sort it.

    I must say willy with you being a school teacher i would of thought, possibly that you would of had a more reasonable approach.

    Your posts in the living in indonesia forum, from a couple of years ago suggests that you where a nice guy what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    and told them to sort it.
    Let us know how it works out then.



    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    I must say willy with you being a school teacher i would of thought, possibly that you would of had a more reasonable approach.
    So what part of my asking a simple question was not a reasonable approach ? I even graciously answered several reasons to consider, despite your spittle flying.

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    Its already sorted A English speaking teacher will be there tomorrow, as promised, or as they were told the locals want a refund.

    Job done my written English skills may not be upto much, but the powers of persuasion are a real asset to the masses that not know there rights.

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    Nearing the end of my teaching career (almost 17 years as a professional/certified US teacher) I have realized the following.

    You pay peanuts and you get monkeys.

    This philosophy applies to any country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    Its already sorted A English speaking teacher will be there tomorrow, as promised, or as they were told the locals want a refund.

    Job done my written English skills may not be upto much, but the powers of persuasion are a real asset to the masses that not know there rights.
    Bit hard work going through your opening post, I had to read it several times to get the context.

    To give you some idea, I pay 5,000 baht every month for extra lesons for my son. That gets him a two hour small group lesson twice a week.

    Teacher are THAI.

    And frankly, they are pretty blood good.

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    Apparently it's all sorted, YasoJackAss only had to ask.

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    Well happy your happy with the teacher nidnogg i am sure some thai teachers are good.

    If there was any decent teaching staff around here believe me i would be prepared to pay, the two previous teachers we had for my son after school were more interested in making there dinner whilst teaching him.

    i just got the numbers attending the course
    30 pupils@ 1990 = 59700 divided by 36 hrs = 1658 baht per hour
    those figures are based on all the families paying the full amount not sure how many did, i believe if they paid on credit it was another 500 on top.
    I would say theres a good profit margin there, and i am still not sure if its sponsored by the govt,

    seems a mod has deleted a post the course is over a 4 week period @ 3 days per week @ 3 hrs per day

    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    Its already sorted A English speaking teacher will be there tomorrow, as promised, or as they were told the locals want a refund.

    Job done my written English skills may not be upto much, but the powers of persuasion are a real asset to the masses that not know there rights.
    Bit hard work going through your opening post, I had to read it several times to get the context.

    To give you some idea, I pay 5,000 baht every month for extra lesons for my son. That gets him a two hour small group lesson twice a week.

    Teacher are THAI.

    And frankly, they are pretty blood good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    30 pupils@ 1990 = 59700 divided by 36 hrs = 1658 baht per hour
    Total.

    is that per term then ? 1 hour a day 4 days a week for 9 weeks ?

    not much for an expat from England to live on

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    not much for an expat from England to live on
    Several teaching full time here in Roiet for about 45k baht per month. Not living high on the hog but doing just fine. They teach every school day 8AM to 3PM.

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    On the assumption that the business will take half the money for running expenses and profit, that would leave about 800 per hour for the teacher. assuming that they work 8 lessons per week @ 3hr (24 hr) thats a monthly income of 76,800 per month.

    Personally I would expect to employ a decent thai english teacher for that kind of cash, and by the look of it almost 2 of nortons mates... he seems to be a presentable chap and proably know presentable 'teachers'

    so I would suggest that perhaps they are more at the fraud end than the deceptive marketing end of the spectrum. If you can give me more detail about whats being provided and by whom I can ask around at the office to see if its part of a government scheme.

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