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    work permit?

    Hi fellas,
    Please me with this
    Local government school has come asked me to teach/speak English to the kids,
    full time
    i don't have a Degree and no work permit,
    haven't accepted yet,
    question
    Can i get a work permit if i have a letter from the school director?
    how does the tax work?
    say 20.000 salary = how much tax deducted?
    By the way i am married to a Thai and live here because of that.
    Sorry about me horrible speling

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    Quote Originally Posted by poorfalang
    Can i get a work permit if i have a letter from the school director?
    Maybe a teacher here can be more specific, but as far as I'm aware no - at least not without a degree.
    Quote Originally Posted by poorfalang
    say 20.000 salary = how much tax deducted?
    Again not entirely sure but my understanding is that there is a set 'minimum' assumed earnings depending on nationality that you are taxed on -- e.g. for Brits/Americans, say 50,000, irrespective of what you actually earn, which is then taxed at 20%

    General tax rates are:

    Taxable Income
    0 - 150,000 Exempt
    150,001 - 500,000 10%
    500,001 - 1,000,000 20%
    1,000,001 - 4,000,000 30%
    4,000,001 and over 37%

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    There is no tax on ThB 20,000 per month.

    Ant sort of has the idea in that expats need to declare ThB 50,000 per month in order to obtain a work permit, but that does not apply to teachers. They are privileged in that they may earn less and continue to work here legally.
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    even i am not a native speaker, which i have explained to them,
    do not possess a Degree which i have explained to them
    they still would like me to work there(maybe cause they cannot get anyone else)
    there is no way i can get a work permit?
    how about job offer letter from the director?

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    The 50,000b per month is for the extension of stay not the work permit, this figure (as mentioned above) is waived for teachers though.

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    I would say go for it if you are not currently occupied and if they get you the necessary paperwork or documentation.

    Caveat: You will have to change your visa and get a work permit which means that if they fire you you'll have to surrender your work permit and technically leave the country within 7 days as your visa will be linked to your work permit. Unless the rules have changed.
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    [quote=Thormaturge;2365634]There is no tax on ThB 20,000 per month.

    And just where did you get this little gem from ?

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    Tax payable on ones salary can be calculated here

    edit:actually the above link is not accurate just now as I think there is a discount applied to tax rates,a government incentive, something like that.

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    [QUOTE="joepaai"]
    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
    There is no tax on ThB 20,000 per month.

    And just where did you get this little gem from ?
    not right then?

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    [QUOTE="joepaai"]
    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
    There is no tax on ThB 20,000 per month.

    And just where did you get this little gem from ?
    not right then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by poorfalang
    Can i get a work permit if i have a letter from the school director?
    Maybe a teacher here can be more specific, but as far as I'm aware no - at least not without a degree.
    Quote Originally Posted by poorfalang
    say 20.000 salary = how much tax deducted?
    Again not entirely sure but my understanding is that there is a set 'minimum' assumed earnings depending on nationality that you are taxed on -- e.g. for Brits/Americans, say 50,000, irrespective of what you actually earn, which is then taxed at 20%

    General tax rates are:

    Taxable Income
    0 - 150,000 Exempt
    150,001 - 500,000 10%
    500,001 - 1,000,000 20%
    1,000,001 - 4,000,000 30%
    4,000,001 and over 37%

    Why post in a thread when you know nothing about the question being asked? Thank heavens you can't legally work as a lawyer in Thailand.

    As to the OP, you will need a teaching certificate in order to legally teach here, which you will not get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by poorfalang
    Can i get a work permit if i have a letter from the school director?
    Maybe a teacher here can be more specific, but as far as I'm aware no - at least not without a degree.
    Quote Originally Posted by poorfalang
    say 20.000 salary = how much tax deducted?
    Again not entirely sure but my understanding is that there is a set 'minimum' assumed earnings depending on nationality that you are taxed on -- e.g. for Brits/Americans, say 50,000, irrespective of what you actually earn, which is then taxed at 20%

    General tax rates are:

    Taxable Income
    0 - 150,000 Exempt
    150,001 - 500,000 10%
    500,001 - 1,000,000 20%
    1,000,001 - 4,000,000 30%
    4,000,001 and over 37%

    Why post in a thread when you know nothing about the question being asked? Thank heavens you can't legally work as a lawyer in Thailand.

    As to the OP, you will need a teaching certificate in order to legally teach here, which you will not get.
    Good morning Daling

    and where you got that info from?
    why would i not be able to get that certificate?
    How about if the school declares that a degree is not required?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Why post in a thread when you know nothing about the question being asked?
    I don't know "nothing" about it, the guy asked a question so I told him what I could.

    I suppose I could've just been a terminally grumpy, cynical, miserable twat but then what would that have left you to do??

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    Quote Originally Posted by joepaai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
    There is no tax on ThB 20,000 per month.

    And just where did you get this little gem from ?
    There is a ThB 30,000 annual allowance for every individual regardless of the source of income. A further maximum allowance of ThB 60,000 where the income is earned, plus a ThB 150,000 per annum tax-free band. Thus, ThB 30,000 + 60,000 + 150,000 = ThB 240,000 per annum.
    Last edited by Thormaturge; 20-02-2013 at 12:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poorfalang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by joepaai
    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
    There is no tax on ThB 20,000 per month.

    And just where did you get this little gem from ?
    not right then?
    See my last post. It is absolutely correct.
    Last edited by Thormaturge; 20-02-2013 at 12:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poorfalang
    they still would like me to work there
    Tell them yes but on condition that they get a WP prior to you starting work and pay all fees and expenses.

    You don't speak Thai so let the school pull whatever strings are needed.
    And don't start work on the promise of a WP, you want it in your hand.


    To show that you are sincere and capable you can offer to work a summer camp.
    I think you are allowed to teach English at a summer camp for 30 days with no WP and can get paid.
    Sorry I don't have a link to confirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin View Post
    Tax payable on ones salary can be calculated here

    edit:actually the above link is not accurate just now as I think there is a discount applied to tax rates,a government incentive, something like that.
    It's out of date.

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    [quote=Thormaturge;2365695]
    Quote Originally Posted by poorfalang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by joepaai
    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
    There is no tax on ThB 20,000 per month.

    And just where did you get this little gem from ?
    not right then?
    See my last post. It is absolutely correct.
    By may calculations (assuming op is single) he would be paying about 500b per month on his 20k salary but in coming to this figure I have not calculated social security contributions.

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    ^
    The tax tables are reproduced herewith. Add to the ThB 150,000 tax free band the annual personal allowance (assuming he is single) of ThB 30,000 and the 40% (maximum ThB 60,000) allowance for earned income and you have ThB 240,000 per annum tax free.


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    married, two kids, all because of premature ejaculation.
    being married with two kids (born in Thai)
    then i would pay no tax?
    can tax return be submitted without work permit?

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    One of the other dark side forums has an FAQ covering teaching in thailand, visa's and work permits.

    As for work permits, I believe that non imm O marrage visa allows you to apply for a work permit. the FAQ states that a degree is required for a WP as a teacher, but as with everything in thailand, manditary requirements are not always mandatory when the boss isn't about, people working out in the sticks and for well connected agencies have managed to get one.

    So it looks like if you do go for the job, the school director needs to make it very clear in his supporting documentation that hes been looking very hard for a very long time and that you were the best he could get.

    I have no knowledge of the tax laws, but I know quite a few salaried civil servants earning 20-35k/month, non of them pay much tax at all.... significantly less than a months salary per year
    Last edited by hazz; 20-02-2013 at 11:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
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    The tax tables are reproduced herewith. Add to the ThB 150,000 tax free band the annual personal allowance (assuming he is single) of ThB 30,000 and the 40% (maximum ThB 60,000) allowance for earned income and you have ThB 240,000 per annum tax free.


    Whats the 40% allowance for earned income ?

    Edit, never mind, ive just read through the Thailand Personal Income Tax page.
    Last edited by Fondles; 20-02-2013 at 11:35 AM.

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    Officially, if you don't have a degree, you can't get a work permit. However, if your school director has some influence in the community, then he/she can move mountains. I'm sure if they want you, and you want a work permit then something can be arranged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poorfalang View Post
    can tax return be submitted without work permit?
    Since you will be paying no tax there is no need to file a Return, unless the Revenue Department send you one. Your school should provide a Tw50 form showing gross salary and NIL tax which is all you will be required to produce in official circles.

    The least you can now do is post a picture on my fish thread.
    Last edited by Thormaturge; 20-02-2013 at 12:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazz View Post
    One of the other dark side forums has an FAQ covering teaching in thailand, visa's and work permits.

    As for work permits, I believe that non imm O marrage visa allows you to apply for a work permit. the FAQ states that a degree is required for a WP as a teacher, but as with everything in thailand, manditary requirements are not always mandatory when the boss isn't about, people working out in the sticks and for well connected agencies have managed to get one.

    So it looks like if you do go for the job, the school director needs to make it very clear in his supporting documentation that hes been looking very hard for a very long time and that you were the best he could get.

    I have no knowledge of the tax laws, but I know quite a few salaried civil servants earning 20-35k/month, non of them pay much tax at all.... significantly less than a months salary per year
    thanks for that
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