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    Got .. poor English..?

    I was taught to believe that using 'got' is poor and lazy English.
    Of course I use it, and it seems nowadays everyone uses it, it's all over the media and no doubt probably creeping into English teaching resources.
    It seems also that 'got' covers a multitude of meanings, so what does it really mean and is it ok to use it if you are trying to help others to speak English correctly?

    For example:
    I've got - I have
    Have you got? - do you have?
    Got it - I understand
    When he got there - when he arrived

    and how about 'get' instead of fetch, take, arrive, understand etc..?
    Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"

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    Some more examples:

    I got down to work - started
    the teacher got her idea across - explained
    I got used to it - became
    I got the shopping - purchased

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    Are you studying for a TEFL exam or trying to learn basic english?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    I got used to it - became
    You what?


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    The English language evolves and, regrettably, it is the semi-literate whose actions cause it to change most. The word "got" and its even worse American cousin "gotten" have been inflicted on the language. A few years ago the word "ask" was just a verb. Now it is used routinely by TV commentators as a noun. I think the first time I ever heard was when it was used as such by an English rugby player, Stuart Barnes, I think. I can remember thinking how uneducated it seemed.

    I worked at one school in Pattaya where a consultant routinely used the word "cool". People who use these types of words usually lack a formal education. Certainly, they have to communicate with very limited vocabulary. This doesn't really worry me. As soon as I hear people using "cool" etc. I switch off. Being unable to speak proper English it is highly unlikely that they would have any meaningful information to impart and I simply ignore them. I'm not rude, I nod appreciatively, smile, try to make them feel good and move on. I avoid them if possible from then on.

    I am not a grammar snob. Anybody can make the occasional error but, I believe, that people who use American slang are beneath me. I don't want anything to do with them. Anybody who wears a baseball cap when he is not playing baseball is a fool. Those who wear such a thing back to front should be gassed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Are you studying for a TEFL exam or trying to learn basic english?

    Just trying not to teach my gf bad habits or at least hoping to give her the right answer to her questions. It's a strange thing to have grown up understanding and speaking a language, but not actually needing to know the mechanics. So, err yeah, the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    Just trying not to teach my gf bad habits
    Good luck - got me buggered, sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123 View Post
    people who use American slang are beneath me.
    Strewth, innit?
    Anybody who wears a baseball cap when he is not playing baseball is a fool.
    Even when they're outside and want to keep the sun out of their eyes?

    Sorry, do you know what the sun is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    The word "got" and its even worse American cousin "gotten" have been inflicted on the language
    It's interesting , I always thought the same.
    To my ears it's painful ,maybe a bit like the word had mangled to 'hadden' ...or something like that .
    But I was reading Robinson Crusoe and Defoe uses gotten
    , so perhaps it's just old English, that Americans continued to use and we in Britain didn't .

    But having gotten over these things in some measure,
    and having settled my household staff and habitation,
    made me a table and a chair, and all as handsome about
    me as I could, I began to keep my journal; of which I shall
    here give you the copy (though in it will be told all these
    particulars over again) as long as it lasted; for having no
    more ink, I was forced to leave it off.
    Also note Defoe's generous use of 2 semicolons.

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    When ever i have the misfortune of listening to a sportsman being interviewed they use "you know"every 4th word you know.
    This tends to be footballers maybe they should use their hard earned cash for a few English lessons you know.

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    "All that which Henry fifth had gotten?" -- King Henry VI, part III: III, iii
    "With much ado at length have gotten leave." -- King Richard II, V, v

    Amazing how English has devolved, eh?

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    My experience is that people who wear baseball caps, while not playing baseball, are total dickheads. I doubt that there is any really satisfactory explanation for why this is so. It just happens to be true. It's not an anti-American thing as we have lots of dickheads in the UK who wear these things. Those who wear them while driving are invariably poor at driving. Such people are best ignored even though they give reds to more informed people on this forum. I wouldn't sit next to such a person on a bus. I wouldn't even shit in his best hat ( cap ? ).

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    There's nothing like a discussion of English to cause a shit-fight.

    Please gents, keep it civil.

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    Neo, shouldn't you be using your on line time for more interesting things like chocolate body parts or travel threads?

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    Chocolate is off the menu and no more holidays until later in the year.
    So it's either this or pictures of fruit and veg shaped like genitalia..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    I was taught to believe that using 'got' is poor and lazy English.
    Of course I use it, and it seems nowadays everyone uses it, it's all over the media and no doubt probably creeping into English teaching resources.
    It seems also that 'got' covers a multitude of meanings, so what does it really mean and is it ok to use it if you are trying to help others to speak English correctly?

    For example:
    I've got - I have
    Have you got? - do you have?
    Got it - I understand
    When he got there - when he arrived

    and how about 'get' instead of fetch, take, arrive, understand etc..?
    you forgot "grasp", which is a bit closer to "got".

    I think "I've got" is good English, and "I have" just sounds weird and American, and like a nail down a blackboard (Partly because we use "have" as an auxiliary verb); but it's not as bad as "I own...": I effing loathe it when people say that, it just sounds so excessive and materialistic.

    Got is useful concise Anglo-Saxon word that neatly expresses "to-the-point" tangibility. Latinate/French words are a bit too pompous and longwinded (...go on ...bite ).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1F2i0rYMj8

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    it's the colonials!

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    My experience is that people who wear baseball caps, while not playing baseball, are total dickheads
    your a dickhead mate..i live in me cap! stops me crome dome from being burnt, keeps the glare out of my eyes, not just the sun either, overhead fluros give my eyes a bit of stick, but if am working in the yard i wear a full brim hat to stop me ears from getting burnt..so have a think about what your saying, although i agree with ya about the tossers who hear the cap backwards!, i take great delight in tell the fools..'hey mate, did you know your caps on backwards? thought i would let you know before anyone laughs at ya'..they look at me stupid, not sure whether i,m serious or taking the piss
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    I was taught to believe that using 'got' is poor and lazy English.
    Then you were taught wrongly.

    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    The word "got" and its even worse American cousin "gotten" have been inflicted on the language.
    Gotten is more 'correct' as it is the old form of the past participle. Real English has done away with it in more recent times, but it is still found in words such as forgotten, begotten, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    My experience is that people who wear baseball caps, while not playing baseball, are total dickheads.
    The cap hides the extra appendage protruding from their head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123 View Post
    The English language evolves and, regrettably, it is the semi-literate whose actions cause it to change most. The word "got" and its even worse American cousin "gotten" have been inflicted on the language. A few years ago the word "ask" was just a verb. Now it is used routinely by TV commentators as a noun. I think the first time I ever heard was when it was used as such by an English rugby player, Stuart Barnes, I think. I can remember thinking how uneducated it seemed.

    I worked at one school in Pattaya where a consultant routinely used the word "cool". People who use these types of words usually lack a formal education. Certainly, they have to communicate with very limited vocabulary. This doesn't really worry me. As soon as I hear people using "cool" etc. I switch off. Being unable to speak proper English it is highly unlikely that they would have any meaningful information to impart and I simply ignore them. I'm not rude, I nod appreciatively, smile, try to make them feel good and move on. I avoid them if possible from then on.

    I am not a grammar snob. Anybody can make the occasional error but, I believe, that people who use American slang are beneath me. I don't want anything to do with them. Anybody who wears a baseball cap when he is not playing baseball is a fool. Those who wear such a thing back to front should be gassed.
    Snob, grammar snob.

    I was told never to use 'but' in written English.

    And on another note I have bought a nice fountain pen and am brushing up on my cursive writing.
    It's nice (not my writing, it's crap, but the activity)

    The art of handwritting is going to disappear if we're not careful.
    "In my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    The art of handwritting is going to disappear if we're not careful.
    You were probably told that you should not start a sentence with "but". "However" used to be treated similarly but its use at the start is common these days.

    I'll excuse the spelling mistake.

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    My favourite pet hate is the grammar snob parents , forever reminding thier offspring to use 'pardon ?' rather than 'what ?' -
    when the child asks for a repeat of what they just mumbled .

    I was just was watching a Law and Order TV show episode,
    know it all detective Goren mildly bollocks a suspect for mixing up
    inferred and implied.
    Do you know the correct usage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    The art of handwritting is going to disappear if we're not careful.
    You were probably told that you should not start a sentence with "but". "However" used to be treated similarly but its use at the start is common these days.

    I'll excuse the spelling mistake.

    On the other hand, Aussies love to whack a "but" on the end of sentences. For example, "Although the Blues got beaten, they played a really good game but!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascotkiwi
    Aussies love to whack a "but"
    True.

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