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    Farang Teachers with fake documents arrested

    EDUCATION ARREST OF FOREIGN TEACHERS

    Two held with fake qualifications


    Two foreign nationals have been arrested for using fake qualification certificates to teach at a Bangkok school. Officers from the Immigration Police Bureau (IPB) apprehended Briton Allan Parson and Canadian Greg Morgan Mercer yesterday at a school in the Bang Khun Thian area where they were employed as English teachers.

    They did not possess the required teaching qualifications, Lt-Gen Suwat Tumrongsiskul, the IPB commissioner, said.

    ''Although the suspects said they didn't intend to deceive anybody and just wanted to teach Thais language skills, the fact remains that they have violated the law,'' said Pol Lt-Gen Suwat.

    Last year alone, 6,807 foreign nationals applied for a visa to teach in Thailand, he said.

    Random background checks on 1,000 of them found that 65 produced false certificates to obtain their jobs. They were now being prosecuted.

    He said some of them insisted they genuinely wanted to teach while others wanted to benefit from the long stay of up to one year afforded by the teaching visa.

    Lt-Gen Suwat also said it was hard to screen out criminals on the run at the point of entry because most were not on any blacklist.
    The Education Ministry would be asked to assist in verifying the qualifications of foreign teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    1,000 of them found that 65 produced false certificates to obtain their jobs
    6.5 percent got caught out with dodgy degrees, wonder what percentage got away with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    1,000 of them found that 65 produced false certificates to obtain their jobs
    6.5 percent got caught out with dodgy degrees, wonder what percentage got away with it
    Dont know the % but it would only be the ones who could raise enough cash to pay off.

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    Yep about 30 were arrested in Bangkok on Friday, only 2 get reported in the paper, wondered what happened to the others, the money must have sorted it out

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    ^ Surprised any teacher would have the money to 'sort it out' - probably had to have a whip round from their friends...

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    Re: More Raids on Schools? - Jan '07
    Quote Originally Posted by Duncecap

    The immigration office in SriRacha has been revamped with all new computers.
    They had a uni student sitting there going through stacks of files of people with visas.
    She was taking paperwork out, looking at it, then checking on the computer. I couldn't see if it was degrees, but it sure looked like it. That was October I think. But hell, she could have been checking on something completely different.

    Clear your route to the roof. Do some practice runs.

    Quote Originally Posted by kenkannif
    Checking degrees has fuck all to do with Imm mate....as Col rightly points out it an MoE ting....not an Imm ting.
    The immigration Police have every right to check for teachers with illegal degrees, so do the tourist police and the normal police....

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    Should explain the above post came from ajarn and kk telling everybody that if your a teacher in thailand then your fake degree if you have one is nothing to do with the police, obviously that has been proved wrong over the last couple of days and sadly a few teachers are now in prison waiting to be deported and black listed from Thailand, So kiddies, when your school or ESL tutors recommend you get a fake degree and say it is ok to break the law, tell them to stick it up their arse, cos it is you that will be in prison and not them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Should explain the above post came from ajarn and kk telling everybody that if your a teacher in thailand then your fake degree if you have one is nothing to do with the police, obviously that has been proved wrong over the last couple of days and sadly a few teachers are now in prison waiting to be deported and black listed from Thailand, So kiddies, when your school or ESL tutors recommend you get a fake degree and say it is ok to break the law, tell them to stick it up their arse, cos it is you that will be in prison and not them.
    did kk pay you the money he owes you yet?

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    ^^ Or is he still a fokking cnut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    and sadly a few teachers are now in prison waiting to be deported and black listed from Thailand.
    That should be "fortunately", not "sadly"!

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    Just yesterday (or was it day before yesterday), the immigration police raided an international school in Bangers. They picked McMahon, a Brit, who was teaching there without work permit. He's also wanted in Britian for child abuse.
    Last edited by machangezi; 17-01-2007 at 12:06 PM.

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    BBC NEWS | UK | British man arrested in Thailand

    A fairly nasty crime, if he's guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Should explain the above post came from ajarn and kk telling everybody that if your a teacher in thailand then your fake degree if you have one is nothing to do with the police, obviously that has been proved wrong over the last couple of days and sadly a few teachers are now in prison waiting to be deported and black listed from Thailand, So kiddies, when your school or ESL tutors recommend you get a fake degree and say it is ok to break the law, tell them to stick it up their arse, cos it is you that will be in prison and not them.
    So he still hasn't learnt to sing another tune ?
    "You don't need a WP to teach in Thailand, you can do without it"
    "There are teaching job for which you don't need a visa"

    Som Nam Na

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    The problem with guys like KK & Bangkok Shill, is that they dish out lots of free dodgy advice to hook/retain their customers, but they don't end up in the slammer.

    That scam has been selling lies to teachers for a few years & now the law is sweeping clean. One must wonder when KK & Bangkok Shill will face their rewards.

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    Didn't know that international schools would employ people without a work permit.

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    ^international schools will employ without a WP, because they would be the ones required to apply for the WP. Which begs the question: they obviously knew the teachers were not qualified, otherwise the process [of applying for the WP] would have been commenced.

    On that basis, I think it is grossly unfair that the teachers should be named in the closest thing we have to a national newspaper, while the school gets off scott free

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    Quote Originally Posted by William
    international schools will employ without a WP, because they would be the ones required to apply for the WP.
    Really William ?
    I have always thougth that the employee was responsible (in legal terms) for his own WP.
    So you are saying that those teachers can't be punished , they are not responsible ?

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    I'm not saying the teachers should not be punished - they should. However, the school is equally culpable - if not more so. After all, the onus is on the school to set the standards of its staff.

    As to WP, I don't know if it is the same today as when I applied for a WP, but in the days I applied the company acted as my 'mentor'. As such, it would have been almost impossible for me to apply on an individual basis without active participation from the company. I accept things may have changed and visa applications/WPs are somthing I don't do (too much cheap competition out there ).

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    The school should be done for employing illegals

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    Working of Aliens Act 1978
    Section 39. Any person who employs an alien in violation of
    section 22 shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years
    or to a fine not exceeding sixty thousand Baht or to both.
    Section 22. No person shall employ an alien who has no permit
    nor employ him in the work which is of different description or condition from
    that specified in the permit


    So in fact DD, you are right. Someone at that school should be shitting bricks - but I bet they're not, because they're likely to have covered their arse

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    Jesus Christ, Smeg will bar up when he reads this

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    Quote Originally Posted by William
    So in fact DD, you are right.
    I know, many years ago I used to employ illegals aswell

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    ^^ I don't see why, Smeg has always had a very valid point when he discusses illegals. It's when he hammers on about those who work here legally that he starts to get boring

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by William
    So in fact DD, you are right.
    I know, many years ago I used to employ illegals aswell
    Burmese don't count - they always get amnesties

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozman
    Jesus Christ, Smeg will bar up when he reads this
    He surely will..
    Giving him right on one point does however not change my opinion that he is one of the most unpleasant persons I've ever encountered.

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