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    I think I am going to come down on the side of Shustraya on this subject. There are lots of honest teachers in Thailand who work for schools or other organisations who do absolutely fuck all to help those people sort out the legal paperwork. They know they are employing teachers illegally, and they don't care. If they get caught, the teachers lose out and they just get replaced. The government won't shut down the school but they'll happily screw the teacher as an individual. The standard of English education in Thailand is not so hot that it will affect the future of a student. Any suggestion of this is pure bollocks. If my French teacher happened to be shit and I wanted to go and live in France to work, I'd simply sort it out myself by learning the language again. Education is something you can always go back to. Anyway, I'd probably learn more French by being there than I would in a classroom.

    Thailand makes it incredibly difficult sometimes and schools are often very very slow at sorting out paperwork. It's all too easy to lay the blame on the teachers - but it's such a minor problem in this country.

    However, if a teacher has gone to the trouble of forging documents in order to teach, that's a different issue altogether.

    The comparison with not having a driving license is ridiculous. If you haven't got a driving license then you're a tosser for even thinking of getting behind a wheel. A teacher isn't likely to kill someone for not being qualified.
    The truth is out there, but then I'm stuck in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickA
    9,852 tries and you still haven't managed it
    So you have returned to us.
    Glad you saved up one of your better ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallace
    A teacher isn't likely to kill someone for not being qualified.
    Well, unless they were teaching first-aid or sumfing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallace View Post
    . If you haven't got a driving license then you're a tosser for even thinking of getting behind a wheel. A teacher isn't likely to kill someone for not being qualified.
    And having a a Thai drivers Licence makes you a competant driver?
    Ho Fvcking Ho

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan
    And having a a Thai drivers Licence makes you a competant driver?
    Well generally speaking yes it does.




    Oh sorry! "Compentent driver" I thought you'd said "complete idiot"

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    Wallace,

    Dodgy degrees from the likes of Kaosan U and bent "teachers" and employers are giving grief to the legitimate teachers' statuses in Thailand, causing Thai authorities to go through the current hoopla of regulations in an attempt to sort things out.

    If a sizeable number of teachers are "cutting corners" for a piddly wage, the chances of teachers with real degrees, certs and ability to get a decent wage are reduced, because the dodgy ones will take more or less anything they can con into, increasing the work force and thereby limiting the bargaining power of rather more honest folk. The black market teachers and employers are devaluing the teaching economy.

    Result?
    a) A lower standard of English or other subjects taught and an education system that force passes its students just to keep face and receive more government funding.

    b) Undervalued and underemployed legitimate teachers.

    c) Resentment of dodgy teachers by legit. ones, so of course they aren't going to help the dodgy ones.

    Real degrees cost around 200,000 Baht and at least 3 years of hard work and its resulting store of knowlege for a BA, on average, in European countries, while a dodgy degree costs about 2,000 Baht and about 3 hours with its store of dishonesty.

    So can you understand the resentment? I do.

    Who would you trust more, an honest man or a dishonest one?

    Who is more likely to cheat you, or do some other dishonest act?

    Who's the conman?

    Would you let your kids be guided by someone dishonest?

    Which of the two types of teachers are more desparate?

    What kind of action does a desparate man indulge in?

    Who is the greater risk taker and more inclined to risky behaviour?

    I think, in fact know, that good teachers are born, not made, but dedication and commitment to a course of study to consolidate one's teaching ability can only be a plus, whether it be a simple TEFL or a Phd.
    A degree in education or any other field doesn't make one a teacher, I know, but it does increase one's understanding of study and how to learn.

    Try teaching in any Western country without a degree or some formal qualification, ...you can't.

    So when the Thai authorities give stick to unqualified conmen masquerading as careful or caring teachers and exemplars of life, "Par for the course", I say. Teaching is a service.

    If these guys, a lot of whom can't spell, or add up without a calculator, want to teach simple basic English or any subject complain, they are like fools looking for apples on nut trees, they'd complain if they got wet in the rain and moan that sand got in their food at the beach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    moan that sand got in their food at the beach.
    that is pretty annoying though

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    I will fok any fake teacher in a heart beat.
    And I have...jing-jing

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    ^you didn't seem gay when I met you at the last TD meet HB:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    What kind of action does a desparate man indulge in?

    Well doing Tefl in Thailand for a start.

    would you really want to send your kids to someone who has ended up as a Tefler here? - not likely.


    I'm sure this subject has been done to death over at ajarn but on a quick note I would add that the 'fake' brigade are helping more Thais to learn English.

    If it were only fully qualified individuals teaching then they could demand higher wages , thus higher costs to the student with the result being that less Thais could afford to study at private language schools.

    So in essence, the dodgy teacher is acutally helping the poor and impoverished far more than any rich kid from a top university ever would.

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    Shus, I went to a private school when I was a kid, about a 1,000 quid per term, but we had the best teachers money could buy, they wouldn't have employed someone that done a 4 week course and called themselves a teacher, they employed proper teachers, hell our sports teacher was Sebastian Coe, if you wanna learn you got to have proper teachers, not ex lorry driver rapists.

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    budget must have been a bit short for spelling teachers eh DD.

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    Those vowels in the middle of words are right bstards...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillbilly
    I will fok any fake teacher in a heart beat.
    What's your idea of a fake teacher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    about a 1,000 quid per term
    Well, that was the best 500 quid your parents ever spent

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    private school...........bricklayer????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shustraya View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    What kind of action does a desparate man indulge in?

    Well doing Tefl in Thailand for a start.

    would you really want to send your kids to someone who has ended up as a Tefler here? - not likely.


    I'm sure this subject has been done to death over at ajarn but on a quick note I would add that the 'fake' brigade are helping more Thais to learn English.

    If it were only fully qualified individuals teaching then they could demand higher wages , thus higher costs to the student with the result being that less Thais could afford to study at private language schools.

    So in essence, the dodgy teacher is acutally helping the poor and impoverished far more than any rich kid from a top university ever would.

    Shustraya,

    Man, you're really missing the boat, or are a couple of balls short of a prick.

    Your post (#45) on thread "minimum wage" has you bollixing Poles for lowering wages in Uk. WTF?

    Above quote from you that dodgy teachers are helping poor and impoverished far more than better qualified teachers flies in the face of your anti-Pole argument.

    Lowering wage rate for the qualified? Possible kiddo?

    Then in your first post 'Another newbie in the..", 12/01/2007 has you saying worfd to the effect of "hello, I'm here for a visit/holliday" followed by several more posts by you in other threads asking for directions to and commenting on the girly scene on the cheap.

    Now you're looking for backup to support your view that it's cool to be a dodgy teacher to help these poor impoverished kids anjd bargirls.

    In the same breath you ask if anyone would want their kids to be taught by a TEFLer. Where's your head at?

    You, mate, are a TROL.

    If not, you're just a sexpat looking for an easy in to someone's pants and get paid for it. I wouldn't trust you in my school.

    Go back to your council flat chav.

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    Man, yer askin' fer shit.

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    Marmite,

    Fake teacher can't teach.

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    Fake plumber= leeky pipes

    Fake taxi driver= ripoff

    Fake cop=crim

    Fake Rolex= loadashit

    Fake=nowhere, just not up to the mark=failed expectations

    = Let me find the c**t so's I can fix 'im.


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    Sorry 'bout the sp. in above posts, got a bit riled......

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Shus, I went to a private school when I was a kid, about a 1,000 quid per term, but we had the best teachers money could buy,

    I didn't mean that sort of 'private school'


    I meant private language institutes (ie: Not a government school) such as Berlitz, Inlingua , Siam computer etc..
    Last edited by Shustraya; 20-01-2007 at 02:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    You, mate, are a TROL.

    If you call someone a Troll you could at least spell it right.




    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Your post (#45) on thread "minimum wage" has you bollixing Poles for lowering wages in Uk. WTF?

    Can't see what Poles have to do with Tefl teachers in Thailand - the Poles are often taking the jobs off locals - but the local Thai could NOT be a native speaker so are not losing out in the same way.


    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    f not, you're just a sexpat looking for an easy in to someone's pants and get paid for it

    Surely that is the one pre-requisite necessary to be even considered for a teaching job here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradthai
    private school...........bricklayer????????
    Yeah, why not.

    A friend of mine got pushed into university by his parents.
    He worked hard and got a good degree.

    Then when he was 23 years old he went and did what he always wanted to do and has been driving an articulated lorry all his working life.

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