Heh...yeah bsnub, WORK HARDER like Boxer...
(you'd want to replace "Napoleon" there^ with "Limbaugh", of course )
Heh...yeah bsnub, WORK HARDER like Boxer...
(you'd want to replace "Napoleon" there^ with "Limbaugh", of course )
The Boss embraces Occupy
Bruce Springsteen's new single explores income inequality and captures the rage of the 99 percent
Bruce Springsteen officially announced today that his new album, “Wrecking Ball,” would hit shelves on March 6. Rumors had hinted that this would be his angriest album and that he would be addressing the current recession and the economic travails of middle- and lower-class America. If the first single, “We Take Care of Our Own,” is any indication, this will be to Occupy Wall Street what “The Rising” was to 9/11: the moment when Springsteen takes up a cause and makes sense of an event that has stymied other musicians.
The Boss embraces Occupy - Salon.com
Good to see the "Boss" cashing in. An astute business man who knows how to make a buck or two....and no doubt a 1%er.
We can block a street
close down a dock
we can sit on our ass around the clock
It's good to get that government dole
but they say it rots your mortal soul
we won't be moved till welfare day
when another handout comes our way...hey
I think a rock-folksy style might work....
Anyway I'll email it to the Boss. Maybe he can refine it a bit and add a few lines of his own. It could become the OWS anthem by mid summer..
I expect a small royalty of course......
^Hey, cynical old dude, where do you think American folk music comes from?
Woody Guthrie played with a guitar with the slogan This Machine Kills Fascists engraved on the side. You know old Woody don't you? This land is your land, this land is my land......
A commie.
Springsteen is in the same tradition.
Root's in Ireland, Scotland, and England, with lots of local flavor thrown in....Originally Posted by misskit
Of course I know old Woodie. They even made a movie about him called "Freedom Train" or something like that....quite good.....and I liked his music.
Back in the 60ies folk singers were always going on about Woodie.....
Tom Paxton must have mentioned him in every other song....
You did'nt say if you liked my little bit of song writing........maybe a bit too harsh on the OWS???.....but you just have to go with what rhymes sometimes.....
OH...and I'm not a bit cynical....honest....
You know, THEY always say the right sooner or later picks up the left's politics.
Shouldn't quit your day job.Originally Posted by koman
OWS is on welfare? I guess you, along with a couple of other posters, Occupy uranus.
You'r getting like Hansuman....pick on a word... Welfare was simply used because it fitted the lyric.....artistic license I believe...
You'r gonna eat your words when the Boss add's it to his album and it becomes the OWS anthem.....
....and you know I don't have a day job. I retired on all my ill gotten gains from 40+ years of WORK, saving, investing, personal sacrafice.... All the anti-occupy stuff...
^I know you are retired. I can also take artistic license.
Lucky you. I still get to work.Originally Posted by koman
Too bad so many young people don't have the opportunity to work, save, or invest. Plenty of personal sacrifice to go around.
When's the last time you were in America to see for yourself what is going on? Do you know any unemployed Americans and how they got that way and what their prospects for the future are? Why are you so condescending regarding the unemployed? How do you know so well they are lazy? Been listening to Minne and Boon and that other crackpot who hasn't been to America in years?
Just asking like.
God help us. Koman has been working on a reply for 45 minutes.
Koman! Don't you dare write a two page essay! Be brief!
Sorry, I had to visit the Liquor store and buy some incidentals....like food.
It's difficult to be "brief" when trying to explain things that are quite complex...but I understand the average liberals need for over-simplified explanations and their singular lack of attention span. ....
I grew up in a part of the world where 20%+ unemployment was "normal". I was honorably discharged from the military during a deep recession with unusually high unemployment. However I have never been unemployed. I've done everything from hard manual labor to corporate executive level management and much in between. Every job for me has been a learning experience for the next job and I have never tied myself to any job, career or company. I never quit going to school and never stopped learning new things right up until retirement.
During all this time I watched most of my peers settling down comfortably in nice jobs which they felt were guaranteed for life. While I was wasting my time at night school, and accumulating new knowledge and skills, they were watching football or reading poetry or planning the next loan to buy more toys.
When their nice jobs suddenly became obsolete, or got sent over to India, they were left high and dry.....never saw it coming.....the government must bail me out..."create" a job for me....I need training...how am I going to pay for all this shit I bought with borrowed money?
I saw it coming for years and years. There have been no surprises at all. I never borrowed more than I could easily pay back quickly (other than my first house which had 30% or so equity in it right from day one) I did not spend my life trying to have the biggest house on the block, or the most expensive car etc....but I managed to have a few really nices houses, cars, and a really beautiful sailboat. I also started a "retirement" plan in my twenties which I monitored, updated, adjusted and executed while my peers were buying depreciating assets and impairing their health and future prosperity with over indulgences.
If this sounds a bit austere, don't be fooled. I had a great life, filled with fun and adventure. It's all in the way you plan and approach things, and maintaining self dicipline to get to where you want to go. Nobody ever owed me a living and I don't owe anybody anything...other than gratitude for the excellent upbrining and values my parents, siblings and some of my teachers gave me.
This is already getting too long for the average liberal to follow, so I will leave you to try and figure out how all this could possibly be...... no doubt it will all be put down to just good luck, or being born with a silver spoon in my mouth...so just for the record, I was 13 years old before we had indoor plumbing or electricity....but between my two older brothers, one sister and myself we hold ten degrees, including 2 Phd's...... (and no I'm not one of those..)
Now, do you think any of the above was caused by government programs, handouts, trade union protectionism or any of the mindless, soul destroying crap we hear from the people who promote such things...?
No but I think you consider yourself a damn near perfect human being/oracle who thinks everyone who didn't follow your exemplary life are some kind of worms.Originally Posted by koman
Your being born into a family who instilled good values on you was not your doing. Just luck. Also just luck that you were making your living in a good economic times with the exception of a recession that I doubt was as bad as the one now. Not sure if you lucked out on any government sponsored corporate welfare or not.
People in the States who did the same things lost their retirement savings and equity in their houses. It wasn't necessarily that they were over extended. Not stupid. Not lazy. Plenty of people continued their schooling still don't have jobs because there ARE NO JOBS.
Most are just decent people just like yourself, only YOU don't see it that way.
(You must be hell to live with, being so perfect and all.)
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Yes this is what happens when you give a straightforward and honest answer to a question from a libbie. If you have managed some reasonable degree of success and try to explain it.......you are immediately accused of something like this....no surprise again...Originally Posted by misskit
You think 20%+ unemployment is "good economic times"....OKOriginally Posted by misskit
Not one recession....several.
Never experienced corporate welfare. Actually that is just a new term coined by the socialists for incentives which helps corporations to be profitable and successful. Anyone with a bit of savvy can buy into these corporations to reap the benefits of such "welfare" ...but I know that's not an OWS kind of thing to do...
Much better to tax the corporations to death and kill off what's left of the economy by driving them offshore to more hospitable enviroments. I've been seeing that happen for decades in several countries, but so many people still don't get it......
Apparently not. I spent many years attempting to guide and counsel such people but most of them preferred the route of least resistance and continued doing things that made them vulnerable to a paradim shift in the western economies, which I believed would happen. It was just a question of when.Originally Posted by misskit
We all lived through the good times too. Some of us planned ahead and kept our eyes on the ball, many did not, despite the fact that the writing was on the wall for many years, they kept on doing the same things and ignoring the signs.
The results are what you are seeing now in the US and some other countries who have lived on excess credit and notions of security fostered by the kind of system dependence now prevalent in many places.
I do feel sorry for anyone who has lost their savings or home through not fault of their own and I know there are some people like that.....but most, if not all of the foreclosures are on people who should never have taken on the loans in the first place...and should never have been allowed to. Blame all round on that one.
What would you do to fix this problem? Just keep expanding the welfare state and keep throwing money at it. Money which is not available.
If the US government eliminated corporate tax and implemented a much lower rate on investment returns you would see a huge increase in investment for the US. Corporations would flock back to do business there and they would be able to hire million of people and in short order begin to eliminate the massive and ridiculous trade balance.
That unfortunately is so far outside of the entrenched thinking of the current adminstration, and probably the one that will replace it, that it is hardly likely to happen any time soon, so you will just limp back to some semblance of prosperity over the next five to ten years despite the inept leadership in Washington. In the meantime they will try to inflate their way out of the debts so you can look forward to the $15 Big Mac and vacations in Biloxi instead of Paris.
Not perfect; quite flawed I think......but not hell to live with...unless you happen to be a bleeding heart of course....I'm probably hell for those, but I'm lots of fun for real people who make the choice to live in the real world..... ( Notice all the smiley things in my posts.....that means I'm having fun and not being hell to live with). I think you really liked my song lyrics, but you just can't admit it....Originally Posted by misskit
It's OK, sometimes conversion to a whole new way of thinking can take time..
^Zzzzzzzzzz
I will sum it up for you. The same same tired stuff. Not unusual for a rightest.
You know all the answers but no one listens to you. Wonder why? Maybe no new ideas?
Last edited by misskit; 20-01-2012 at 05:14 PM.
Like I said before:
This is what happens when you give a straightforward and honest answer to a question from a libbie. If you have managed some reasonable degree of success and try to explain it.......you are immediately accused of something like this....no surprise again...
I notice you did not make any attempt to answer my question...."what would you do" to fix this problem? .....
Hint....you don't really need "new" ideas. Just apply the old ones that work.......there is no need to re-invent the wheel. Round wheels have always worked very well when the right power source is applied to turn them,,,,,
Some of us don't feel the need to explain our success and know that success relies on luck more than some amazing foresight.Originally Posted by koman
Would rather look for new ways to travel than the old wheel.
You don't reckon it has anything to do with being bored of this little chat, now do you?Originally Posted by koman
Misskit posts like she's a twenty - something hippie backpacker hanging out with the rest of them at Tae Pae Gate in CM.
Tell us Bad Pussy, what's your moan, really?
It's strange all right. She asked questions and I try to give a reasonable answer.
Reasonable answers and/or explanations seem to upset her, and she does not want to accept.
Then when I ask a pretty reasonable queston back... like" OK what would do to fix it"
...she is "bored" with the conversation....
I've always found this trait very common with the supporters of left wing views.
Even when it's not a right vs left argument, they always want see it that way.
When you give forthright and reasonable argument, to which they have no adequate response they use the pre-pubicient schoolgirl approach such as " Oh you just think you'r so smart" or "Oh you just think your are sooo perfect"
Lengthy argument is also very distressing to them. If you can't cover the whole thing in a few simple one or two line posts, they get tuned out very quickly.
Videos and cartoons work well though.. You don't have to think too much with those....
Also; cats are notoriously difficult to communicate with. They often just want to play with a ball of string or sleep somwhere warm...and if you disturb them they arch their back, trash their tails around, hiss, and run out of the room.....
^ Your arrogance is in fine form with this post. Keep in mind it is your ally the simpleton boon me who likes to look at all the cartoons and pictures. Not someone who is a good poster child for an intelligent right winger.
With regards to why I prefer to keep my responses to less then 5 page dissertations is simply a matter of time. I have things to do unlike you who has limitless time on your hands hence your lengthy long winded diatribes.
The simple fact is when it comes to this thread you say the same things over and over. It is all very repetitive.
Don't waste your time "debating" with the likes of koman, just another representative of the Damaged Farang Male Resentment Brigade. He's practically a poster boy for the chimera of conservatism; it can take any form at all so long as it's reactionary. When he makes statements claiming that corporate welfare is "a new term coined by the socialists for incentives which helps corporations to be profitable and successful" rather than taxpayer-financed pork secured by lobbyists he pretty much disqualifies himself from intelligent conversation. Suddenly the Cato Institute is a liberal organization, apparently.
“You can lead a horticulture but you can’t make her think.” Dorothy Parker
^ I couldn't agree more. I forgot about that post in which he made that absurd post about corporate welfare. Well conservatives have short term memories especially when it is to their benefit.
Really? Well now, when one is defending a political position on any issue, it is hardly surprising that they would repeat certain arguments. Everyone does that.Originally Posted by bsnub
It is necessary to say the same things over and over (using different words and approaches) to achieve clarity, or to penetrate the defensive positions of others who resist common sense and sound reasoning....
As to my "long winded" diatribes....
I don't need to spend much time on any of my posts. I learned to type pretty fast, and unlike many lefties my mind is still quite clear and reasonably sharp.
I do have lots of time I suppose, but I don't really use that much of it fighting with cats or mindless drones. This is an incidental activity for me and I enjoy the challenge of trying to elicit well rounded and intelligent responses. I frequently fail in that endeavor but I'm a real optimist, so I keep trying.....
Calling me "arrogant" is actually quite complimentary. It's the standard response given by those who are seriously challenged when thying to uphold their own tenuous positions. I make an effort to explain my position and the thinking behind it. My "competiton" explains nothing, so they don't need to write much.
Firing off one line disengenious comments or petty insults is hardly a compelling argument, but if that's all you can manage.......I can deal with it.....
^^They have short memories because you don't need memory or consistency when you have no principles. It's all kulturkampf with these assholes.
^There's arrogance and there's baseless arrogance. You're a legend in your own mind.
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