Thousands to occupy Wall Street in protest

**Bettyboo** · 02-11-2011, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Karl Marx was indeed correct, not sure why anyone would disagree with his analysis

communism is the long term plan, eventually we will get there when we are wiser and mad capitalists have all self-destructed or were killed by an angry starving crowd

Papillion, Marx was a social scientist. The smallest social unit is the family. Marx's family (wife, children, etc) was riddled with suicides and deaths, all while he was at the pub... If a social scientist is unable to function within the smallest social unit then I wouldn't trust their larger theories; it's a bit like being unable to add 1+1, but advising people how to add 100s+1000s - if you cannot grasp the most basic principles then you have no foundation upon which to build greater structures...

Marx was not right. He had some interesting, and at times powerful, insights, but he did not forward soicio-politcal systems one iota.

BTW, I have noticed that folks bashing the 1% are not interested in debating the facts and offering solutions, but would rather (and solely...) cut and paste propaganda which diverts away from the central issues... This is what Foxnews, and other political propaganda media outlets of all flavours, specialize in. Whilst some countries such as Thailand have an almost identical setup to the US, Europe and other nations haven't completely followed suit, yet... This trend is, of course, part of the fraudulent mechanisms put in place by the very same people that own the oil, drug, defense and banking industries, as, coming full circle to Papillion's point, Marx and others pointed out - hence the interest across the political spectrum; basically, these 1% are destroying ALL of society, so it is only natural that ALL of society are concerned enough to democratically protest.

Cut and pasting links to a myriad of different social groups only underlines how extreme the 1% are, underlines how their extreme greed and criminality has polarized ALL of society against them. If America still stands upon and adheres to her democratic principles then the propagandering by the 1% will fail. Personally, and I look forward to the people of America proving me wrong, I don't think America has any such democratic pretensions in anything other than the use of a hollow word initiated from time to time in order to demonize the next 'hostile takeover opportunity'...

**Hampsha** · 02-11-2011, 05:02 PM

As usual lots of interesting odd notes in this.

**Hampsha** · 02-11-2011, 06:10 PM

Some songs and music vids being created for the movement and the feelings these days. This one is quite good.

AMERICAN DREAM LYRICS

Michael and Christy, they met | back in their teens,
house and two kids, you know the | American Dream,
pink slipped and foreclosed | in March of '09,
over two years now | and still marking time.

Late night finds Michael restless | pacing the floor,
a thin thread is ending, he can't | hang on no more,
Christy tries harder | to meet ends on her pay,
But when it runs down they | they just drive away.

Wake up now dreamers -- let's open our eyes!
Rise from our bed made of legends and lies.

While scammers and schemers, fly near the sun,
We sleep here silent, and lives come undone.

Kenny put down the game ball | to pick up a gun,
enlisted at eighteen, you know | an American Son,
Three tours in Afghanistan | right after Iraq,
a bomb took his leg there | but it sent Kenny back.

Dry-docked with dad at home now | down in St. Bernard,
Kenny remembers time when | the shrimpers worked hard,
After Katrina | how could it get worse?
Gulf waters dying | the oil, now a curse.

Wake up now dreamers -- let's open our eyes!
Rise from our bed made of legends and lies.

While wheelers and dealers, grow rich on our need,
We sleep here silent, and earth slowly bleeds.

Wake up now dreamers -- let's open our eyes!
Rise from our bed made of legends and lies.

While princes and puppets, play their deadly games,
We must not sleep silent, the world up in flames.

"American Dream", (c) Copyright 2011.

Posted by TechStreams at Youtube

**Neo** · 02-11-2011, 06:38 PM

**OhOh** · 02-11-2011, 07:10 PM

Archbishop of Canterbury backs 'Robin Hood tax' - Home News - UK - The Independent

"The Archbishop of Canterbury has sympathised with proposals for a "Robin Hood tax" on banks and admitted there is a widespread perception that society is paying for the "errors and irresponsibility" of financial institutions.

In an article for the Financial Times, Dr Rowan Williams aligned himself with the anti-capitalist protesters camped outside St Paul's Cathedral by listing the tax as one of the specific measures that might advance their aims.

He made the comments following a day of high drama that saw the cathedral announce it would no longer be taking legal action against the demonstrators, who have been on the doorstep of the historic landmark for over a fortnight.

The City of London Corporation also said it would be "pausing" its legal bid to clear the encampment - but officials are expected to make a further announcement on the matter later today.

In his article, Dr Williams said the Occupy London Stock Exchange demonstration is an "expression of a widespread and deep exasperation with the financial establishment"."

**Neo** · 02-11-2011, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

BTW, I have noticed that folks bashing the 1% are not interested in debating the facts and offering solutions, but would rather (and solely...) cut and paste propaganda which diverts away from the central issues...

There is a saying along the lines of " I don't know what I'm fighting for, but I know what I'm fighting against" that seems rather apt in this situation.

The aims are clear, to separate corporations and politics and to hold individuals responsible for fraud or corruption, it's really quite straightforward isn't it.

But then look at the Keiser report, a twice weekly show that only touches the tip of the nefarious relationships between corporations and politics and you can see that the problem is endemic, the depth and complexity of the corruption is so embedded that to tear the two sides apart is seemingly impossible.

When trying to separate two co-joined brains, where do you make the first incision, can you even be sure what tool to use?

Clearly legislation is the tool that will prove most effective so it is the lawmakers that must be put under presure, and I would assume that is the intention of the the greater minds taking the lead in these protests, and it is up to the rest of us to support that position.

**Neo** · 02-11-2011, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

He made the comments following a day of high drama that saw the cathedral announce it would no longer be taking legal action against the demonstrators, who have been on the doorstep of the historic landmark for over a fortnight.

The City of London Corporation also said it would be "pausing" its legal bid to clear the encampment - but officials are expected to make a further announcement on the matter later today.

A step in the right direction

**Neo** · 03-11-2011, 12:18 AM

A speech by Noam Chomsky to the Occupy movement. It's too long to paste here but it's well worth a read.

In a speech to Occupy Boston, the linguist and icon hailed the "unprecedented" first weeks of OWS. He cautioned protesters to build and educate first, strike later.

Noam Chomsky Speaks to Occupy: If We Want a Chance at a Decent Future, the Movement Here and Around the World Must Grow | | AlterNet

**Neo** · 03-11-2011, 12:38 AM

Well, now the world is indeed splitting into a plutonomy and a precariat, again in the imagery of the Occupy movement, the 1 percent and the 99 percent. The plutonomy is where the action is. It could continue like this, and if it does, then this historic reversal that began in the 1970s could become irreversible. That’s where we’re heading. The Occupy movements are the first major popular reaction which could avert this. It’s going to be necessary to face the fact that it’s a long hard struggle. You don’t win victories tomorrow. You have to go on and form structures that will be sustained through hard times and can win major victories.~Noam Chomsky

**Neo** · 03-11-2011, 12:52 AM

**socal** · 03-11-2011, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

BTW, I have noticed that folks bashing the 1% are not interested in debating the facts and offering solutions, but would rather (and solely...) cut and paste propaganda which diverts away from the central issues...

There is a saying along the lines of " I don't know what I'm fighting for, but I know what I'm fighting against" that seems rather apt in this situation.

The aims are clear, to separate corporations and politics and to hold individuals responsible for fraud or corruption, it's really quite straightforward isn't it.

But then look at the Keiser report, a twice weekly show that only touches the tip of the nefarious relationships between corporations and politics and you can see that the problem is endemic, the depth and complexity of the corruption is so embedded that to tear the two sides apart is seemingly impossible.

When trying to separate two co-joined brains, where do you make the first incision, can you even be sure what tool to use?

Clearly legislation is the tool that will prove most effective so it is the lawmakers that must be put under presure, and I would assume that is the intention of the the greater minds taking the lead in these protests, and it is up to the rest of us to support that position.

the solution is to drain the govt bond markets by saving in tangibles like gold and silver and not debt

**Neo** · 03-11-2011, 01:12 AM

It certainly is one possible solution, if you think the solution requires a total economic collapse.

**Agent_Smith** · 03-11-2011, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by socal

the solution is to drain the govt bond markets by saving in tangibles like gold and silver and not debt

Yes, because the 19th Century was such a wonderful time...

**OhOh** · 03-11-2011, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

Yes, because the 19th Century was such a wonderful time...

It certainly was if you had a stash of gold.

**Boon Mee** · 03-11-2011, 06:38 AM

Check out this Occupier of the Day shot!

Now that's one real crusty old Hippie!

**Boon Mee** · 03-11-2011, 06:45 AM

Just in! Another Pic of the Day has surfaced!

OAKLAND, CA — NOVEMBER 2: Demonstrators with the Occupy movement gather in front of a bank November 2, 2011 in Oakland, California. The group called for a general strike today, and planned to march on the city’s port later in the day. (Photo by Eric Thayer/Getty Images)

Wonder if snubbie worn his 'I'm a Commie' gear to his protest?
Get back to us with that will ya snubbs?

**Boon Mee** · 03-11-2011, 06:49 AM

NYPD Officer: Crime, Sexual Assault At Occupy Wall Street “More Widespread Than Even They Think

Yes, still just like the Tea Party

A member of the New York Police Department, who requested anonymity, has told Big Government that crime is even more prevalent at the Occupy Wall Street demonstration than has been reported.
“It is far from the butterflies and Bambis that the media is trying to portray,” he told us. He described sexual assault as being a particular problem, partly because of drug use at the site:

There are many incidents of sexual touching and groping that goes unreported to us, mainly because the alleged victim is either too stoned or high to properly ID them or they “dont want to get the guy in trouble.” One girl, with hickeys all over her neck was brought to us and claimed she was raped. . . . She said she had gotten high and had sex with one guy then sex with the other guy, but when guy #3 tried, she rebuffed him. She later got stoned somewhere else and returned to her place where guy #3 came back and had sex with her (she thinks) but she remembers blacking out and him leaving and her pants off.

He concluded that sexual assault in Zuccotti Park “is much more wide spread than even they [the activists] think.”

http://biggovernment.com/jpollak/201...n-they-think/] Source [/url]

**koman** · 03-11-2011, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

She said she had gotten high and had sex with one guy then sex with the other guy, but when guy #3 tried, she rebuffed him. She later got stoned somewhere else and returned to her place where guy #3 came back and had sex with her (she thinks) but she remembers blacking out and him leaving and her pants off.

Now that's what I call a real Liberal...... with proper socialist values of sharing and equality for all....

Even guy # 3 got what he wanted in the end...if at first you are refused a benefit just keep asking. You will get it if you just keep asking....

**OhOh** · 03-11-2011, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Now that's one real crusty old Hippie

I would think most of the 60's hippies would be of similar age if not appearance.

**Butterfly** · 03-11-2011, 08:55 AM

funny pics Boon, that's the spirit

glad to see Chomsky addressing the crowd,

**misskit** · 03-11-2011, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by koman

Now that's what I call a real Liberal...... with proper socialist values of sharing and equality for all....

Does this mean that if one is a Liberal, one will get free sex and and if one is Conservative has to pay?

**Cujo** · 03-11-2011, 09:44 AM

This kind of moonbattery doesn't exactly legitimize the cause.

For fucks sake. Really?

**socal** · 03-11-2011, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Neo

It certainly is one possible solution, if you think the solution requires a total economic collapse.

Yes the solution unfortunately requires a total collapse because they have been papering over the problem for so long. Collapse is what restructures an economy.

SE Asia collapsed in 1997/1998 and they where already well into recovery by 2000.

**koman** · 03-11-2011, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Koojo

This kind of moonbattery doesn't exactly legitimize the cause.

For fucks sake. Really?

I have always believed that in order to go on strike, you have to have to be working first.....

Maybe they did not teach this kind of thing where these folks came from. Definitely a "change the system" kind of guy...

**koman** · 03-11-2011, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by misskit

Originally Posted by koman

Now that's what I call a real Liberal...... with proper socialist values of sharing and equality for all....

Does this mean that if one is a Liberal, one will get free sex and and if one is Conservative has to pay?

Of course conservatives pay.....they are proper capitalists and don't expect a free ride.....if you get the drift...

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