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    Heh...busting another OBAMA MYTH: we see that when...

    “Asked about the Fast and Furious program at the Univision forum on Thursday, President Obama falsely claimed that the program began under President George W. Bush.”

    Different kettle of fish there Barry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    President Obama falsely claimed that the program began under President George W. Bush
    Not false at all- it did. The 'operation', FnF, started under Obama- albeit not to his own or senior administration's knowledge. The gun running 'program' started under Bush though- a prior operation to FnF, although also run out of Az. Like Obama, the senior Bush administration had no knowledge of this.

    So any remedial action surely needs to focus on the laxity of ATF reporting requirements and autonomy at state/ regional level.
    probes Aliens

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    George Bush had a similar program but it was in cooperation with the Mexican government. Obama did it to prove a point and try for gun control, but it backfired on him. This has been one of the many shameful operations of this administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritrace View Post
    George Bush had a similar program but it was in cooperation with the Mexican government. Obama did it to prove a point and try for gun control, but it backfired on him. This has been one of the many shameful operations of this administration.
    Yes indeed. Here's a list - a bit long but what would you expect from this failure:

    The Complete List of Barack Obama’s Scandals, Misdeeds, Crimes and Blunders


    • $6 trillion in new national debt under Obama…after he promised to decrease the deficit.
    • Obamacare — A massive and incredibly convoluted bill which exponentially increases the federal government’s control over our personal lives…which neither Obama nor a single Democrat even read before passing, and which will likely bankrupt the nation.
    • Billions of taxpayer dollars gambled on “green” companies like Solyndra, NextEra, Light Squared, Ener1, Solar Trust and many others — all of which went bankrupt.
    • An intentional refusal to enforce federal immigration laws.
    • Unemployment at or above 8% for almost his entire term in office (which was actually closer to 15% actual unemployment).
    • Operation Fast & Furious — a government-sponsored illegal gun-running scheme designed to purposely go awry so as to induce public outcry for gun control.
    • Spent 20 years listening to a racist anti-American pastor (Rev. Jeremiah Wright), whom Obama desribed as a mentor. On March 18, 2008, Obama gave a speech in which he said “I could no more disown Jeremiah Wright than I could disown my own grandmother” and “[Wright's church, Trinity United] embodies the black community in its entirety.” Now Obama tries to pretend that Jeremiah Wright doesn’t exist, and that his extremist anti-white philosophy didn’t influence Obama’s worldview.
    • Increased the percentage of Americans dependent on food stamps to unprecedented levels (now over 15% of the nation’s population).
    • Before he entered politics, Obama worked as a lawyer suing banks in landmark cases, forcing them to give home loans to unqualified minority borrowers — a practice now understood as one of the primary initial causes of the eventual housing bubble and market collapse.
    • Handed out over 1,200 waivers to politically connected donors exempting them from the onerous requirements of Obamacare.
    • Greatly expanding the number of unaccountable “czars,” which essentially amounts to unilaterally adding new federal departments with no congressional oversight — leading to a true “bureaucracy” in the original sense (rule by unelected bureaucrats).
    • Using taxpayer dollars to bail out the private pension funds of autoworkers’ unions at GM & Chrysler.
    • Illegally ending the welfare-to-work requirements passed by Congress.
    • Doling out $800 billion in stimulus cash for “shovel-ready” jobs that didn’t exist — the money just evaporated with no measurable economic benefit.
    • Alienating and isolating Israel, our strongest ally in the Middle East.
    • Apologizing to Islamists and terrorists for offending them.
    • Under Obama’s watch, for the first time in history America’s credit rating was downgraded, due to his poor economic policies.
    • Stopped American oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, allowing other nations with worse environmental records to drill instead — thereby managing to both weaken our economy and damage the environment simultaneously.
    • Proposed in 2008 to intentionally bankrupt the coal industry — and now lies to voters and workers in coal-producing regions about his true intent.
    • Pretends to be concerned about skyrocketing energy prices, when in fact he vowed to increase them on purpose (so as to make alternative energy schemes more competitive.)
    • In a primary debate against Hillary Clinton in 2008, Obama said he would never force people to buy health insurance, since those without it couldn’t afford to buy it. Less than two years later, he rammed through Obamacare, which does indeed force people to buy health insurance.
    • During the 2008 campaign, Obama repeatedly promised that if he was elected “No family making less than $250,000 will see any form of tax increase.” This promise was broken over and over again once he was elected.
    • In 2008 Obama vowed if elected to increase security along the U.S.-Mexican border — and then in 2010 stopped construction of a “virtual fence” on the border and re-routed money earmarked for border security to other projects.
    • Cash for Clunkers, which doled out taxpayer money to anyone who wanted to replace their old cars, but which mostly only ended up subsidizing the puchase of foreign-made cars by people who could have afforded them on their own anyway; meanwhile, the traded-in cars were all destroyed, creating a shortage and thereby increasing the cost of used cars, hurting the pocketbooks of poor people.
    • Violated the U.S. Constitution by authorizing assassinations and drone strikes to kill American citizens abroad — without due process.
    • Was caught on a “hot mike” promising the President of Russia that he would cave in to their demands for a weaker missile shield — after he was re-elected and no longer had to keep up the pretense that he sought to defend America.
    • Soon after taking office, Obama rescinded the “Mexico City Policy,” which previously had banned NGOs which are supported by American taxpayer funds from using those funds to perform abortions in foreign countries.
    • Appointed Van Jones, a former avowed communist who supported a “9/11 Truth” petition, to be “Green Jobs Czar.”
    • Appointed Anita Dunn, who said Chairman Mao was her “favorite philosopher,” to be White House Communications Director.
    • Appointed John Holdren, who perviously entertained the notion of forced mass sterilzation to stop overpopulation, to be Science Czar.
    • Appointed Steven Chu, who openly advocated an artificial increase in gasoline prices to $10/gallon (and similar increases in other energy prices) to be Secretary of Energy.
    • Appointed Kevin Jennings, who led a group that promoted X-rated “sex-positive” textbooks for 13-year-olds, instructed teenagers at a conference how to perform “fisting” (anal penetration by fists), who refused to report instances of statutory rape, and who expressed admiration for a member of NAMBLA, to be America’s “Safe School’s Czar.”
    • When states voted to enforce the federal immigration laws which the federal government refused to enforced, Obama sued to stop them.
    • Blocked continued construction of the Keystone Pipeline, thereby intentionally reducing energy resources for the US and forcing Canada to sell more of its oil to China.
    • Repeatedly changed his position on gay marriage over the years, depending on what was politically expedient at the moment and which intended audience he was addressing.
    • Before he was president, Obama staunchly opposed raising the national debt limit — but once elected, he insisted that it be raised.
    • When giving a 2009 speech in France that he hoped and assumed Americans would never hear, he described the United States as “arrogant” and “dismissive.”
    • When states tied to stop election fraud with voter ID laws, Obama sued to prevent them from doing so.
    • Instructed Attorney General Eric Holder to stonewall any investigation into the voter intimidation case against the New Black Panthers.
    • Promised in 2008 that once elected he would officially recognize the Armenian Genocide; but to this date he has still failed to do so, caving in to threats and pressure from Turkey.
    • Vowed to end the influence of lobbyists in Washington, but under Obama’s watch their influence has only increased.
    • When he was first running for President, Obama promised, “I will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.” Needless to say, he has broken that promise with almost every bill he has signed since.
    • Aided and abetted the “Arab Spring” which deposed existing secular governments across North Africa, leading to a regional power vacuum which was filled by Al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, and other hardline Islamists.
    • Refused to provide assistance or support the the earlier secular Iranian democracy uprising, allowing them to be crushed by the Islamic fundamentalist Iranian regime.
    • In his first months in office, Obama bowed to the king of Saudi Arabia, the president of China, the Emperor of Japan, and President of Mexico, among others.
    • Ordered NASA to make one of its top priorities not space exploration or scientific research but “Muslim outreach.”
    • Used Obamacare as a pretext to greatly increase the size and power of the IRS (which was given 16,000 new agents and additional mandates to penalize taxpayers for noncompliance).
    • Used the IRS to harass conservative businesses.
    • In the GM bailout, he illegally shortchanged investors who according to bankruptcy laws were first in line to be recompensed; instead, he gave their share to the unions.
    • Shut down oil drilling in the US, but then turned around and lent $2 billion to Brazil to support their government-controlled oil-drilling effort — and then promised the US would become one of Brazil’s biggest oil customers.
    • Sued Boeing in an effort to control where businesses could locate, kowtow to the unions, and block the creation of 1,000 jobs in South Carolina, a right-to-work (i.e. no forced unionization) state.
    • Adopted a longstanding Socialist political slogan, “Forward!”, as his 2012 campaign motto.
    • Sent insulting form letters to the familes of dead SEALs.
    • Neither disavowed nor distanced himself from anti-Romney campaign ads which threatened or implied vilence against Republicans.
    • Shortly after the recent eruption of anti-American violence in North Africa, Obama went to Las Vegas to do his debate preparation in a hotel…with a romanticized North Africa theme.
    • Said in an interview that the Muslim call to prayer was “the most beautiful sound in the world.”
    • Union boss and far-left activist Andy Stern has visitied Obama in the White House at least 53 times, at last count — greater access than any other private citizen.
    • Hosted at the White House many Islamist members of groups associated with Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc.
    • Sponsored performances by and attended fundraisers with radical rappers like Michael Franti and Common, both of whose lyrics have in some cases been anti-police, anti-white, and anti-America.
    • Hired Timothy Geithner, who is documented as cheating on his own personal taxes, to be Secretary of the Treasury.
    • Told Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher that it was good to “spread the wealth around.”
    • Told small business owners nationwide in a 2012 speech that “you didn’t build that” — implying that they should not claim credit for their own success, since taxpayers (i.e. themselves and other business owners) had funded the national infrastructure.
    • Insulted the British people by rudely returning to them a bust of Churchill which previously had been a ceremonial gift on display at the White House; when later confronted on this inexplicable action, he lied about it.
    • Canceled plans to complete a missile defense shield in Poland, a move which was highly praised by Russia and Iran — the very nations whose missile threats would have been neutralized if the shield had been completed.
    • By loudly publicizing (for personal political gain) the identity of exact SEAL teams who had killed Osama bin Laden, Obama made them a target for reprisals by Islamists; a short time later 22 SEALS were shot down and killed in Afghanistan, their worst loss of life ever.
    • Established an extra-Constitutional top secret “kill list” of people (including Americans) Obama claims the right to kill on sight, and then bragged about it publicly.
    • Established the “Truth Team” program which encouraged citizens to report to the government any friends or relatives they hear repeating “lies” about Obama.
    • Attack Watch!
    • Twisted the arms of defense contractors to not issue layoff notices in early November, so as to avoid causing bad news for Obama right before the election — even though federal law (the “WARN Act”) requires such notices.
    • After the attacks on American interests in North Africa on September 11, 2012, Obama gave a speech to the U.N. and declared “The future must not belong to those who slander The Prophet of Islam” — transferring the blame from the attackers onto the makers of a film trailer that supposedly “offended” the Islamists.
    • Repeatedly snubbed and got into public tiffs with Benjamin Netanyahu, who as the leader of Israel is supposed to be Obama’s closest colleague in international affairs.
    • On May 19, 2011, Obama told Israel they must return to the 1967 borders as a pre-condition for continuing talks with the Palestinians — even though the status of the borders was the main issue the talks were supposed to address.
    • Encouraged politically biased hiring practices in the Justice Department.
    • Attempted to force returning veterans to pay huge increases for their health coverage…as a way to generate more funding for his Obamacare provisions.
    • In June of 2011, he annointed his own underage daughters as “senior staff members” so that their vacation to Africa would be paid for with taxpayer money.
    • Interviews with high school classmates revealed that Obama was a heavy and frequent user of marijuana in his teenage years (not to mention his self-admitted cocaine use in college).
    • Played over 100 rounds of golf during his first three years in office, meaning that he was on the links close to 10% of the days he has been president.
    • Voted to allow partial-birth abortions not just once but three times in a row as an Illinois state senator.
    • The pastor whom Obama selected to give the national benediction at his 2009 inauguration recently declared that “all white people are going to Hell.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    The Complete List of the Right Wing blogospheres Scandals, Misdeeds, Crimes and Blunders
    Thank you for that booner- a handy reference from the parrallel universe.

    Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, a bipartisan Congressional committee found that Attorney General Holder had no knowledge of the Fast n Furious operation as he had said all along. He had not lied to Congress about his lack of knowledge of the operation, neither was he running interference for President Obama, who similarly had no knowledge of the operation, which was authorised and run by the ATF and DEA at regional level. Likewise President Bush before him had no knowledge of the ATF/ DEA gun running operation during his term.

    Calls to impeach Eric Holder and President Obama over the manufactured "scandal" and false (egregiously false) accusations strangely went quiet at that point, and the GOPaliens retreated to the planet GopBlog to plan their next operation. Enter Benghazi....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Thank you for that booner- a handy reference from the parrallel universe.
    It's the forum equivalent of the Gish Gallop.

    The Gish Gallop, named after creationist Duane Gish, is the debating technique of drowning the opponent in such a torrent of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments that the opponent cannot possibly answer every falsehood in real time. The term was coined by Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education. Sam Harris describes the technique as "starting 10 fires in 10 minutes"

    ...

    a Gish Gallop tries to create the illusion of authority and an incredible weight of evidence by sheer quantity alone, without any quality to back it up. To supporters, the illusion works, but those who disagree with the Galloper's points often find the amount of repetitive assertions and non-explanations offered tedious to deal with

    ...

    It is often successfully combined with the "point refuted a thousand times" (PRATT). The gallop must consist of as many points as possible, and even old and worn out arguments are useful in overwhelming the respondent and bamboozling the audience. The technique also takes advantage of the one single proof fallacy, since if a respondent only manages to refute 99 out of 100 points there is still one point that proves the galloper correct. The galloper takes to heart Joseph Stalin's advice that "quantity has a quality all its own."

    Gish Gallop - RationalWiki
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    It's Back!

    DOJ Leaked Docs to Smear Fast & Furious Whistleblower, Says IG

    The Department of Justice (DOJ) Inspector General published a new report Monday that confirms former U.S. Attorney for Arizona Dennis Burke leaked a document intended to smear Operation Fast and Furious scandal whistleblower John Dodson."

    Like Rats Fleeing A Sinking Ship

    Imagine that!

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    ^ problem is BM, they can not indict Obama because they don't know who he is. Best you can hope for is that Barry is chucked into an immigration detention centre.

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    Gee, I wonder who would do this sort of thing, eh?

    CBS News’ Sharyl Atkisson: My Computer Has Been Compromised.

    “Attkisson believes the possible infiltration of her computer began in Feb. 2011 during her reporting on Fast and Furious.”

    Guess she didn't upgrade her encryption too good...but anyway, Fast & Furious isn't a scandal. Please move along now.

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    ^Another fake scandal and another spam post by boontard.

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    the non-story turned around fast and bit the GOP furiously on the ass.

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    ^LOL!

    Booners the self described "liberal cage rattler" put me on ignore because he could not deal with me constantly smashing post after post of his utter dribble and spam. I have exposed him for the fool he is time and time again. So much so he took his ball and ran home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    This scandal is taking off like a rocket now that the FBI and Janet Napolatano have been called before Congress. Heh...another nail in Obama's coffin.

    Operation Fast & Furious plus Solargate will make Watergate & the I-Ran Contra non-issue look like a walk in the park...

    Dude, do you ever get embarrassed at being so wrong all the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyBKK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    This scandal is taking off like a rocket now that the FBI and Janet Napolatano have been called before Congress. Heh...another nail in Obama's coffin.

    Operation Fast & Furious plus Solargate will make Watergate & the I-Ran Contra non-issue look like a walk in the park...

    Dude, do you ever get embarrassed at being so wrong all the time?
    No, he doesn't.

    "I see dumb people.................................... They don't know they're dumb."

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    Has anyone noticed how our glorious quartet of liberals spend an inordinate time calling everyone who doesn't think like themselves, stupid, dumb, or put up a picture of GWB with a monkey face? And still blaming Bush for all of Obama's problems?

    Curious isn't it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    Has anyone noticed how our glorious quartet of liberals spend an inordinate time calling everyone who doesn't think like themselves, stupid, dumb, or put up a picture of GWB with a monkey face? And still blaming Bush for all of Obama's problems?

    Curious isn't it!
    The thing they haven't been able to grasp is that Liberalism is a debilitating disease and the only cure is Common Sense which was left out of them at birth ...or something!

    "Though liberals do a great deal of talking about hearing other points of view, it sometimes shocks them to learn that there are other points of view." -- Buckley

    Heh...they think it's Cool to be Rude if you're a Liberal...

    Good example:

    "President Nixon proposed a healthcare plan that was blocked by Senator Ted Kennedy, and the senator later apologized for putting political interests ahead of the good of the country. He had not wanted Republicans to get credit for accomplishing something positive."

    Liberals Are Definitely Un-Cool
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    What's dumb is Teanderthals who have been screaming for YEARS that Obama would be a 1 term president, that he'd be impeached, that his cabinet would go to jail, etc etc.

    You folks seem to ignore the fact that President Obama's approval rating remains high, much much higher than that of the GOP, and that all the recent right wing scandal-mongering is actually helping our Commander in Chief.

    Source: CNN/ORC

    Keep it up Teabaggers! You're making our job easier!

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    Just to elucidate those who still confuse the two:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    "President Nixon proposed a healthcare plan that was blocked by Senator Ted Kennedy, and the senator later apologized for putting political interests ahead of the good of the country. He had not wanted Republicans to get credit for accomplishing something positive."
    This is an outright lie. In fact they worked together until watergate exploded on the scene.

    "In 1974 President Richard Nixon and Senator Edward Kennedy nearly succeeded in legislating universal medical insurance for all Americans."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    This is an outright lie.
    Boon Mee lying? Again?

    I am flabbergasted, I may need to rethink my entire world view!

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    I'm not sure how that sits with your philosophy to arm school teachers booner?
    And in reality, a bonkable murder victim is just another murder case. What a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I'm not sure how that sits with your philosophy to arm school teachers booner?
    And in reality, a bonkable murder victim is just another murder case. What a shame.
    No, the point of the graphic is no one has been accountable for Holder's Fast & Furious as yet.

    Arming teachers after they have gone thru weapons safety courses is probably the most pragmatic way to go in the existing American society...

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    Well, she could be my teacher.

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    Well, she could be my teacher.
    Yeah, me too.

    Could have helped me with my Spanish vocabulary.

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