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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    See post #5189.


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    Yeah, that one was a bit long for chitty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    Everyone needs to plant a tree a day to give the planet hope of survival..
    Got roped into that bullshit 60 years ago at junior school. 60 years later they still haven't sorted things out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Got roped into that bullshit 60 years ago at junior school. 60 years later they still haven't sorted things out.
    Yeah, the problem is big corporations felling entire forests.

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    The UK broke it's Easter temperature record over the weekend, and temperatures were ~10C above average.

    Maybe we're already on a runaway train....

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The UK broke it's Easter temperature record over the weekend
    Records are getting smashed everywhere. Here is Seattle we set an all time record winter high temperature.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Maybe we're already on a runaway train....
    For any thinking person it is obvious.

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    Basically we're fucked then.


    Researchers Create ‘First-of-its-Kind’ Roadmap for Saving Earth From Climate Change Years Before 2050 Deadline

    A Finnish university has published a comprehensive global road map on how the world can reduce its carbon emissions before the 2050 deadline – and the research says that it is quite feasible.

    The
    report breaks down exactly how the world’s different regions can transition to 100% renewable energy as a means of preventing the more catastrophic outcomes of irreversible climate change.


    The study is the first of its kind to outline a cost-effective international strategy to keep the planet’s carbon emissions at 1.5 degrees Celsius. Not only that, it is the first study of its kind to suggest a global strategy that does not involve carbon-capture technology.


    The report, which is being called the “Global Energy System based on 100% Renewable Energy – Power, Heat, Transport and Desalination Sectors”, was conducted by the Lappeenranta University of Technology (LUT) and the Energy Watch Group (EWG) from Germany.


    Over the course of the last four years, the 14-person research team have developed a global simulation of consumption and energy production based on an hourly scale in 5-year phases from 2015 to 2050.

    As of right now,
    one-third of the world’s energy is renewable. With population growth and energy demand in mind, the researchers say that we could meet the Paris Agreement’s carbon mitigation goals by generating 69% of the world’s energy from solar panels, 18% from wind power, 3% from hydropower and 6% from bioenergy.


    Additionally, all the energy transitions could be paid for simply by giving up on fossil fuels entirely.


    “A full energy transition to 100% renewable energy is not only feasible, but also cheaper than the current global energy system,” says Hans-Josef Fell, one of the researchers involved with the report.

    “The outlined global transition pathway stands out as the first to present a 1.5°C scenario that is technology-rich, multi-sectoral, multi-regional and cost-optimal,” he added. “Notably, it achieves a cost decline without the reliance on high-risk technologies such as nuclear power and carbon capture and sequestration (CCS).”


    The researchers dedicated the report to 16-year-old climate activist Greta Thunberg, who has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in recognition for her youth-led Fridays for Future environmental protests.


    “Existing renewable energy potential and technologies, including storage, is capable of generating a secure energy supply at every hour throughout the year,” says the researchers. “The sustainable energy system is more efficient and cost-effective than the existing system, which is based primarily on fossil fuels and nuclear.

    “A global renewable transition is the only sustainable option for the energy sector, and is compatible with the internationally adopted Paris Agreement,” they added. “The energy transition is not a question of technical feasibility or economic viability, but one of political will.”

    https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/first-of-its-kind-roadmap-to-save-earth-from-climate-change-before-2050/


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    Part of the world’s largest ice shelf is melting ten times faster than previously feared, warns a new study.


    Warming surface water is rapidly destroying the north west sector of Antarctica’s Ross Ice Shelf, say scientists.

    Melting of ice shelves has no direct effect on global sea levels since the ice is already at equilibrium with the surrounding water.


    But the ice shelves greatly slow the flow of glaciers that would otherwise slide faster into the ocean – causing water levels to rise.


    In 2002, Antarctica’s Larsen B ice shelf broke apart in less than a month, and afterwards some of the adjacent glaciers sped up by as much as eight times.


    Located on the side of the continent closest to New Zealand, the Ross Ice Shelf spans an area about the size of France and has an average thickness of roughly 1,300 feet


    It’s one of many ice shelves that extend oceanward from the edge of Antarctica with about 90 percent of their bulk submerged.


    It is considered to be relatively stable but the findings published in Nature Geoscience show it may be more vulnerable than thought.


    The point of vulnerability lies in the fact that solar heated surface water flows into a cavity – which could be undermined if basal melting intensifies further.


    First author Dr Craig Stewart, of the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) in New Zealand, said: “The stability of ice shelves is generally thought to be related to their exposure to warm deep ocean water.


    “But we’ve found solar heated surface water also plays a crucial role in melting ice shelves.”


    Dr Stewart, who conducted the work while a PhD student at Cambridge University, and his international colleagues spent several years analysing the ice and in-flowing warm water.


    Interactions occurring hundreds of metres below the surface of ice shelves seem remote.

    But they have a direct impact on long-term sea level. The Ross Ice Shelf stabilises the West Antarctic ice sheet by blocking the ice which flows into it from some of the world’s largest glaciers.


    Co-author Dr Poul Christoffersen, of Cambridge’s Scott Polar Research Institute, said: ” Previous studies have shown when ice shelves collapse, the feeding glaciers can speed up by a factor or two or three.


    “The difference here is the sheer size of Ross Ice Shelf, which is over one hundred times larger than the ice shelves we’ve already seen disappear.”


    The team collected four years of data from an oceanographic mooring installed under the Ross Ice Shelf by collaborators at NIWA.


    Using instruments deployed through a 260 metre-deep borehole, the team measured temperature, salinity, melt rates and ocean currents in the cavity under the ice.


    The team also used an extremely precise custom-made radar system to survey the changing thickness of the ice shelf.

    Dr Stewart and Dr Christoffersen travelled more than 1000 km by snowmobile in order to measure ice thicknesses and map basal melt rates.

    Data from the instruments deployed on the mooring showed solar heated surface water flows into the cavity under the ice shelf near Ross Island – causing melt rates to nearly triple during the summer months.


    The melting is affected by a large area of open ocean in front of the ice shelf that is empty of sea ice due to strong offshore winds.


    This area, known as the Ross Sea Polynya, absorbs solar heat quickly in summer and this solar heat source is clearly influencing melting in the ice shelf cavity.


    The findings suggest conditions in the ice shelf cavity are more closely coupled with the surface ocean and atmosphere than previously assumed.


    This implies melt rates near the ice front will respond quickly to changes in the uppermost layer of the ocean.


    Dr Stewart said: “
    Climate change is likely to result in less sea ice, and higher surface ocean temperatures in the Ross Sea, suggesting that melt rates in this region will increase in the future.”


    The potential for increasing melt rates in this region has implications for ice shelf stability due to the shape of the ice shelf.


    Rapid melting identified by the study happens beneath a thin and structurally important part of the ice shelf, where the ice pushes against Ross Island.


    Pressure from the island, transmitted through this region, slows the flow of the entire ice shelf.


    Dr Christofferson said: “The observations we made at the front of the ice shelf have direct implications for many large glaciers that flow into the ice shelf, some as far as 900 km away.”


    The researchers point out the melting does not suggest the ice shelf is currently unstable.


    It’s evolved over time and ice lost by melting due to inflow of warm water is roughly balanced by the inputs of ice from feeding glaciers and snow accumulation.


    But the balance is depending on the stability provided by the Ross Island pinning point – which the study identifies as a point of future vulnerability.

    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/part-of-worlds-largest-ice-shelf-melting-ten-times-faster-than-previously-feared/30/04/

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Yeah, that one was a bit long for chitty.
    Planted a dozen apple tree seedlings down the end of my garden today with my kids chatting about climate change.
    What have you done to prevent climate change ? Trolling on here surprisingly doesn't count.

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    Fucking pricks.

    The United States has refused to sign an agreement on challenges in the Arctic due to discrepancies over climate change wording, diplomats said on Tuesday, jeopardizing cooperation in the polar region at the sharp edge of global warming.

    With Arctic temperatures rising at twice the rate of the rest of the globe, the melting ice is creating potential new shipping lanes and has opened much of the world’s last untapped reserves of oil and gas to commercial exploitation .

    A meeting of eight nations bordering the Arctic in Rovaniemi in Finland on Tuesday was supposed to frame a two-year agenda to balance the challenge of global warming with sustainable development of mineral wealth.


    But sources with knowledge of the discussions said
    the United States balked at signing a final declaration as it disagreed with wording that climate change was a serious threat to the Arctic.
    https://gcaptain.com/us-sinks-arctic...Captain.com%29

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    It was 84 degrees near the Arctic Ocean this weekend

    It was 84 degrees near the Arctic Ocean this weekend as carbon dioxide hit its highest level in human history


    Over the weekend, the climate system sounded simultaneous alarms. Near the entrance to the Arctic Ocean in northwest Russia, the temperature surged to 84 degrees Fahrenheit (29 Celsius). Meanwhile, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere eclipsed 415 parts per million for the first time in human history.

    By themselves, these are just data points. But taken together with so many indicators of an altered atmosphere and rising temperatures, they blend into the unmistakable portrait of human-induced climate change.

    Saturday’s steamy 84-degree reading was posted in Arkhangelsk, Russia, where the average high temperature is around 54 this time of year. The city of 350,000 people sits next to the White Sea, which feeds into the Arctic Ocean’s Barents Sea.



    Carbon dioxide levels from approximately 1750 to present. (Scripps Institute of Oceanography)



    Over the weekend, the climate system sounded simultaneous alarms. Near the entrance to the Arctic Ocean in northwest Russia, the temperature surged to 84 degrees Fahrenheit (29 Celsius). Meanwhile, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere eclipsed 415 parts per million for the first time in human history.

    By themselves, these are just data points. But taken together with so many indicators of an altered atmosphere and rising temperatures, they blend into the unmistakable portrait of human-induced climate change.

    Saturday’s steamy 84-degree reading was posted in Arkhangelsk, Russia, where the average high temperature is around 54 this time of year. The city of 350,000 people sits next to the White Sea, which feeds into the Arctic Ocean’s Barents Sea.

    In Koynas, a rural area to the east of Arkhangelsk, it was even hotter on Sunday, soaring to 87 degrees (31 Celsius). Many locations in Russia, from the Kazakhstan border to the White Sea, set record-high temperatures over the weekend, some 30 to 40 degrees (around 20 Celsius) above average. The warmth also bled west into Finland, which hit 77 degrees (25 Celsius) Saturday, the country’s warmest temperature of the season so far.

    The abnormally warm conditions in this region stemmed from a bulging zone of high pressure centered over western Russia. This particular heat wave, while a manifestation of the arrangement of weather systems and fluctuations in the jet stream, fits into what has been an unusually warm year across the Arctic and most of the mid-latitudes.

    In Greenland, for example, the ice sheet’s melt season began about a month early. In Alaska, several rivers saw winter ice break up on their earliest dates on record. Across the Arctic overall, the extent of sea ice has hovered near a record low for weeks.

    Data from the Japan Meteorological Agency show April was the second warmest on record for the entire planet.

    These changes all have occurred against the backdrop of unremitting increases in carbon dioxide, which has now crossed another symbolic threshold.

    Saturday’s carbon dioxide measurement of 415 parts per million at Hawaii’s Mauna Loa Observatory is the highest in at least 800,000 years and probably over 3 million years. Carbon dioxide levels have risen by nearly 50 percent since the Industrial Revolution.

    The clip at which carbon dioxide has built up in the atmosphere has risen in recent years. Ralph Keeling, director of the program that monitors the gas at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, tweeted that its accumulation in the last year is “on the high end.”

    Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas that, along with the rise of several other such heat-trapping gases, is the primary cause of climate warming in recent decades, scientists have concluded.

    Eighteen of the 19 warmest years on record for the planet have occurred since 2000, and we keep observing these highly unusual and often record-breaking high temperatures.

    They won’t stop soon, but cuts to greenhouse emissions would eventually slow them down.







    https://www.washingtonpost.com/weath...=.c68067be6654
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    A team of researchers from the UK Centre for Polar Observation and Modelling (CPOM), based at the University of Leeds and led by Professor Andy Shepherd has found that Antarctica's ice sheet has thinned by up to 122 meters (400 feet) in places, with the most rapid changes occurring in West Antarctica where ocean melting has triggered glacier instability.


    The scientist's findings were published in the journal,
    Geophysical Research Letters on May 16, 2019. The research team used over 800 million measurements of Antarctic ice sheet height recorded by radar altimeter instruments on ESA’s ERS-1, ERS-2, Envisat and CryoSat satellite missions between 1992 and 2017, according to the ESA in a news release.

    Additional observations were made using the RACMO regional climate model to create snowfall simulations over the same time period. Using the RACMO modeling along with the satellite data, scientists were able to separate changes in ice-sheet height from those caused by meteorological events, which affect snow, and those caused by longer-term changes in climate, which affect the ice.


    The research team found that glacier instability caused by the melting and calving due to warming oceans waters has caused the glaciers to lose mass quicker than it can be replaced by snowfall, with the thinning having spread across 24 percent of West Antarctica's ice sheet.


    This loss of mass and instability was most evident on the Pine Island and Thwaites Glaciers - which are now losing ice five times faster than they were at the start of the survey. "In parts of Antarctica the ice sheet has thinned by extraordinary amounts, and so we set out to show how much was due to changes in climate and how much was due to weather," Shepherd said, reports CNN.

    Altogether, ice losses from East and West Antarctica have added 4.6 mm (0.18 inches) of water to global sea level since 1992, Shepherd added, according to
    Science Daily.


    Dr. Marcus Engdahl of the European Space Agency, a co-author of the study, added: "This is an important demonstration of how satellite missions can help us to understand how our planet is changing. The polar regions are hostile environments and are extremely difficult to access from the ground. Because of this, the view from space is an essential tool for tracking the effects of climate change."

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/environment/a-quarter-of-the-glacier-ice-sheet-in-west-antarctic-is-unstable/article/549957

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    Saw a clip of Trump speaking a few days ago to energy workers... he called windfarms "bird cemetaries". What an ignorant wanker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Saw a clip of Trump speaking a few days ago to energy workers... he called windfarms "bird cemetaries". What an ignorant wanker.
    It was a brave attempt at exhibiting his conservation credentials....


    Nah, I'm shitting you, it's probably some shit he got off Breitbart for which the Koch brothers paid through one of their "Institutes".

    Wind turbines kill far fewer birds in North America than do cats or collisions with cell towers, says a study out Monday.


    As wind power expands in the United States, critics often blame giant turbine blades for bird deaths. What's billed as the most comprehensive analysis ever of these fatalities says birds face far greater threats.


    Wind turbines kill between 214,000 and 368,000 birds annually — a small fraction compared with the estimated 6.8 million fatalities from collisions with cell and radio towers and the 1.4 billion to 3.7 billion deaths from cats, according to the peer-reviewed study by two federal scientists and the environmental consulting firm West Inc.

    "We estimate that on an annual basis, less than 0.1% ... of songbird and other small passerine species populations in North America perish from collisions with turbines," says lead author Wallace Erickson of Wyoming-based West.


    The study based its estimate on data from 116 studies conducted in the U.S. and Canada, after adjusting for the fact that surveys don't capture all fatalities. Some carcasses are missed by monitors, disappear because of scavenging or decompose before they're counted. Nearly two thirds, or 63%, of reported fatalities were small birds of 156 different species.

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    Yet many environmentalists say wind power ultimately benefits birds. It is a "a growing solution to some of the more serious threats that birds face, since wind energy emits no greenhouse gases that accelerate climate change," Terry Root of Stanford Woods Institute for the Environment, said in a statement accompanying the study's release.

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    Why is global warming such a contentious issue?

    It appears to me to be right up there with such things as abortion or the death penalty as far as elevating the blood pressure of many goes.

    Due to my age I'm not likely to be affected by it so in theory I should have no interest in it whatsoever. In fact I'd likely only be impacted by cost to address it at all. I'm not, however, adverse to doing my share now for those who as yet don't exist.

    So why do so many people get worked up about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cisco999 View Post
    I'm not, however, adverse to doing my share now for those who as yet don't exist.
    "Averse". Good on you for that, and please continue to do whatever you're inclined to do to save the planet for those that don't yet exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cisco999 View Post
    So why do so many people get worked up about it?
    I suppose it's because they have strong feelings about the issue, the same as some people have strong feelings about other issues such as abortion, the death penalty, Israel/Palestine, etc, so the question is, why do people have strong feelings about certain issues?

    Perhaps there should be a cure for strong opinions; an injecton given to children before the age of two, or a pill for people over the age of ten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cisco999 View Post
    So why do so many people get worked up about it?
    Many people think it's an amazing planet, and fucking it up doesn't cease to be an inexcusable thing to do simply because they're going to be dead very soon in relative terms.

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    Some interesting reading from someone with a slightly different view point.

    https://www.technocracy.news/former-...eds/?print=pdf

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    Global warm its its an issue just thing about Thailand how hot

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    ^^ Does any one have a YD to English translator.

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    ok foot for thaught.

    Why everyboy is complaining about global warming?

    What's wrong with planet keep warm? You would rather be cold?

    It's like free heating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    or a pill for people over the age of ten.
    the americans have been trialing that and it has led to many deaths from overdose

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    The sub text about global warming is its created by industry who pollute to profit. The same wankers who bleat about it are the same wankers who wanted to ban the bomb in the 60's and similar left wing movements.

    And even then they don't know the planet and continents have warming and cooling cycles. The Sahara desert was an inland sea but a change in the winds caused it to evaporate and become savannah and now desert. You'd say that was global warming at work. Well they didn't have many diesel trucks in those days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    the americans have been trialing that and it has led to many deaths from overdose
    The blue pill and the red pill are actually suppositories. And if you take both you get confused. Trust me.

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