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    Looks pretty warm in Siberia.!

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    Another record broken

    This Year’s Arctic Sea Ice at Smallest Maximum in Modern Record


    Caveat: Winter ice extent is not a reliable predictor of how summer ice melt is going to go, but this finding – the 2015 winter ice max is lowest on record – is certainly another indicator of the amount of heat that is finding its way into the arctic. With an El Nino in progress, and record global warmth continuing from all time high 2014 into early 2015, this is certainly a milestone worth pondering.

    National Snow and Ice Data Center:

    On February 25, 2015 Arctic sea ice likely reached its maximum extent for the year, at 14.54 million square kilometers (5.61 million square miles). This year’s maximum ice extent was the lowest in the satellite record, with below-average ice conditions everywhere except in the Labrador Sea and Davis Strait. The maximum extent is 1.10 million square kilometers (425,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average of 15.64 million square kilometers (6.04 million square miles) and 130,000 square kilometers (50,200 square miles) below the previous lowest maximum that occurred in 2011. This year’s maximum occurred 15 days earlier than the 1981 to 2010 average date of March 12. The date of the maximum has varied considerably over the years, occurring as early as February 24 in 1996 and as late as April 2 in 2010.

    Because of the variability of ice extent at this time of year, there can be some delay in pinpointing the date of the maximum extent, as was true this year. NSIDC calculates daily ice extent as an average of the previous five days (see the Sea Ice Index documentation for more information), and we also look for a clear downward trend for a number of days.

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    Man I love this thread
    The naive innocence and wide-eyed gullibility of the alarmists always makes me smile..
    Thick people used to say things like - ''it must be true - I saw it in the newspaper'' etc
    The modern version seems to be the graph ..

    The fact that the temperature data from the past , eg the 1920s,is continually being readjusted downwards so as to allow ''record highs'' today , troubles the alarmists not ..
    Even real sheep stop for a think now and them


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    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    The naive innocence and wide-eyed gullibility of the alarmists
    With a degree in geoscience and geology and who is telling you the world should be fucking well alarmed and getting off its fucking arse and doing something about it, as of 30 years ago.



    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    The fact that the temperature data from the past , eg the 1920s,is continually being readjusted downwards so as to allow ''record highs'' today
    Lie. Disinformational bullshit. But you wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway...

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    2015 Arctic Sea Ice Maximum Annual Extent Is Lowest On Record
    March 19, 2015


    The sea ice cap of the Arctic appeared to reach its annual maximum winter extent on Feb. 25, according to data from the NASA-supported National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) at the University of Colorado, Boulder. At 5.61 million square miles (14.54 million square kilometers), this year’s maximum extent was the smallest on the satellite record and also one of the earliest.



    Arctic sea ice likely reached its annual maximum winter extent on Feb. 25, barring a late season surge. At 5.61 million square miles (14.54 million square kilometers), this year's winter peak extent is the lowest and one of the earliest on the satellite record that began in 1979.

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    Arctic sea ice, frozen seawater floating on top of the Arctic Ocean and its neighboring seas, is in constant change: it grows in the fall and winter, reaching its annual maximum between late February and early April, and then it shrinks in the spring and summer until it hits its annual minimum extent in September. The past decades have seen a downward trend in Arctic sea ice extent during both the growing and melting season, though the decline is steeper in the latter.
    This year’s maximum was reached 15 days earlier than the 1981 to 2010 average date of March 12, according to NSIDC. Only in 1996 did it occur earlier, on Feb. 24. However, the sun is just beginning to rise on the Arctic Ocean and a late spurt of ice growth is still possible, though unlikely.
    This short video shows the bulk of the Arctic sea ice freeze cycle from October through this year's apparent winter maximum on Feb. 25.


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    If the maximum were to remain at 5.61 million square miles, it would be about 50,000 square miles below the previous lowest peak wintertime extent, reached in 2011 at 5.66 million square miles — in percentages, that’s less than a 1 percent difference between the two record low maximums. In comparison, the swings between record lows for the Arctic summertime minimum extent have been much wider: the lowest minimum extent on record, in 2012, was 1.31 million square miles, about 300,000 square miles, or 18.6 percent smaller than the previous record low one, which happened in 2007 and clocked at 1.61 million square miles.
    A record low sea ice maximum extent does not necessarily lead to a record low summertime minimum extent.
    “The winter maximum gives you a head start, but the minimum is so much more dependent on what happens in the summer that it seems to wash out anything that happens in the winter,” said Walt Meier, a sea ice scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. “If the summer is cool, the melt rate will slow down. And the opposite is true, too: even if you start from a fairly high point, warm summer conditions make ice melt fast. This was highlighted by 2012, when we had one of the later maximums on record and extent was near-normal early in the melt season, but still the 2012 minimum was by far the lowest minimum we’ve seen.”



    Here the 2015 maximum is compared to the 1979-2014 average maximum shown in yellow. A distance indicator shows the difference between the two in the Sea of Okhotsk north of Japan.


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    The main player in the wintertime maximum extent is the seasonal ice at the edges of the ice pack.

    This type of ice is thin and at the mercy of which direction the wind blows: warm winds from the south compact the ice northward and also bring heat that makes the ice melt, while cold winds from the north allow more sea ice to form and spread the ice edge southward.
    “Scientifically, the yearly maximum extent is not as interesting as the minimum. It is highly influenced by weather and we’re looking at the loss of thin, seasonal ice that is going to melt anyway in the summer and won’t become part of the permanent ice cover,” Meier said. “With the summertime minimum, when the extent decreases it’s because we’re losing the thick ice component, and that is a better indicator of warming temperatures.”

    2015 Arctic Sea Ice Maximum Annual Extent Is Lowest On Record | NASA

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    big print

    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    2015 Arctic Sea Ice Maximum Annual Extent Is Lowest On Record


    small print

    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    is the lowest on the satellite record that began in 1979.
    err like that began like last week ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    small print

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    MMGW people I feel your pain and understand your anger; after investing your energy etc .
    It's like then being told that the Emperor really has no clothes,
    or you have been conned by some Nigerian, and you would rather send more cash than admit the truth .

    Quote Originally Posted by Umbuku
    With a degree in geoscience and geology
    Nice , but there are even better educated people than you that have also been conned by it .
    Plenty of religious people with PHDs too, who are daft enough to believe in various fairy stories .

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    Your cognitive dissonance and powers of confirmation bias are sadly strong.

    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    Nice , but there are even better educated people than you that have also been conned by it .
    Conned...right, sure...must be eh.


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    Considering the USA and China only agreed last year to sign a agreement to reduce emissions, doesn't really make much sense what all the fuss is about.

    The agreement to reach certain levels is not until 2025/2030 the world may have ceased to be by that time according to all the experts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower View Post
    Considering the USA and China only agreed last year to sign a agreement to reduce emissions, doesn't really make much sense what all the fuss is about.

    The agreement to reach certain levels is not until 2025/2030 the world may have ceased to be by that time according to all the experts.
    You gotta link to those experts?

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    Here's a good site.

    http://www.globalclimatescam.com/

    U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Global Warming Scare

    by ElmerB on February 11, 2015 in News, Opinion, Paris 2015
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    Economic Systems: The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man’s stewardship of the environment. But we know that’s not true. A United Nations official has now confirmed this.

    At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.

    “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said.

    Referring to a new international treaty environmentalists hope will be adopted at the Paris climate change conference later this year, she added: “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower
    “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said.
    Change not destruction of capitalism. Free markets are already regulated under individual governments. They are not truly free when they must conform to local laws to operate their business. A response to global warming requires international cooperation introducing similar regulations and laws world wide. The corporations will adapt to the new conditions and capitalism will continue to thrive. This is just blatant and baseless fear mongering, though I don't doubt there are some far left loonies in the environmental movements that would like to bring capitalism down.

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    Your not Saying the UN are scaremongers I hope.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbuku View Post

    Actually I think that plumbers, mechanics, scientists, or anybody else who believes themselves to be "experts" on anything to be arrogant fools.

    I have never met a person proclaiming to be an expert as anything close to an actual expert. Real experts need not proclamation of their expertise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower View Post
    Here's a good site.

    http://www.globalclimatescam.com/

    U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Global Warming Scare

    by ElmerB on February 11, 2015 in News, Opinion, Paris 2015
    Investors.com

    Economic Systems: The alarmists keep telling us their concern about global warming is all about man’s stewardship of the environment. But we know that’s not true. A United Nations official has now confirmed this.

    At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.

    “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said.

    Referring to a new international treaty environmentalists hope will be adopted at the Paris climate change conference later this year, she added: “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

    Damn psuedo how many multi nics do you have now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower


    Global Climate Sam was created by Minnesota Majority in 2007 and is now operated by Minnesotans for Global Warming.

    About Us

    Minnesota Majority was founded by Jeff Davis in 2007 to promote traditional values in state and federal public policy through grassroots activism on the part of its members. Polls have repeatedly shown that most Minnesotans embrace traditional values like limited government, lower taxes, parental rights, free markets, protecting our borders and a strong national defense. These are not Republican or Democratic values, they are American values.
    The trouble is many of our elected officials from political parties are not reflecting these values in the way that they are voting on the issues. These officials are:

    • Using our own tax money against us to promote policies that run contrary to the will of the People
    • Eroding our freedoms and liberties
    • Preaching tolerance while demonstrating utter contempt for those with a viewpoint different than their own
    • Destroying our nation’s traditional values with their radical secular progressive agendas.
    Putting Principles Ahead of Politics
    We cannot depend upon political parties to defend our values. Their primary mission is to win elections, not shape public policy. Political parties are especially poor at policing their own members who often stray from party platforms. Americans need to put principles ahead of politics and hold people accountable on both sides of the aisle for their votes. Most of today’s politicians are more concerned about being “politically correct” than being principled in their position on the issues. These politicians make public policy decisions by taking a poll rather than having the courage to make a principled case for their position. We need elected officials who are willing to stand strong on principles and preserve the precious liberties passed onto us by prior generations of patriots.



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    Oh wait there is more...

    I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning …

    Bob and Joan Cummins must not be satisfied with the work that the racist, vote suppression organization Minnesota Majority does. No surprise, actually. The group has failed at pretty much everything it’s tried to do.

    Wait. I take that back. Minnesota Majority has spent a **** ton of the Cummins money. The Cummins are the prime funders of Minnesota Majority. They spent $1.3 million of the Cummins money losing on the Vote Suppression Amendment in 2012.

    A little more than a year ago, Cummins said he wasn’t giving to the MNGOP. He urged donors to wait until the organization sorted out what was becoming a meltdown. Instead, Minnesota Majority got their money.

    And I guess they’re done funding the stupid coming out of Minnesota Majority, too. Without the Cummins cash, Minnesota Majority is toast.

    http://mnprogressiveproject.com/minn...y-going-under/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower
    Your not Saying the UN are scaremongers I hope.?
    No, I am referring to the headline used by the fearmongering website you linked to which was not borne out by the comments reported in the article but it does highlight the enormity of the task the world faces. The unrestrained economic growth of carbon resources has to change.

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    Well when it all goes tits up we can all blame the Chinese Indians and Americans.

    Hope you like the way I mentioned the Americans last, don't want to be accused of bashing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower View Post
    Here's a good site.

    http://www.globalclimatescam.com/

    "......the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism."

    What a load of rubbish.

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    Some just don't get tongue in cheek.

    then again I'll hand you over to your fellow countrymen.


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    Pseudo, stop trolling.

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    So having a alternative view and producing links is now trolling.?

    some people need to have a holiday.

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