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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    There is no science that proves that climate change is man made.
    The thread is chock full of it you imbecile. Go back to being humiliated in the brexit thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    Spot on
    It is just another bunch of nonsense not based in reality so of course you would buy it. Lemmings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    There is no science that proves that climate change is man made.
    The thread is chock full of it you imbecile. Go back to being humiliated in the brexit thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    Spot on
    It is just another bunch of nonsense not based in reality so of course you would buy it. Lemmings.


    Once again you are quick to try and discredit a post but fail to offer one bit of convincing evidence.

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    Doubling CO2 and basic physics | Clive Best

    Try this if it works. It helps explain how C02 effects global warming. some may find it interesting.

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    Cool

    The absolutely preposterous aspect of this phony CC/GW alarmist noise, is that the earth is already experiencing a state of extreme distress from human industries.

    We're facing a global emergency on many levels, from heavy poluting human industry.

    But are world leaders talking about practcal steps for a healthier environment?

    Nope they are all still pandering to big globalist corporate greed!

    In China the crisis is extreme.

    It is not a question of whether or not it is happenning, it is a question of when are we going to declare a state of global emergency!


    In Thailand I think the new King will seize a leadership role in the environmental crisis

    He seems like the right guy for it. With the right leadership Thailand could clean up like Ireland.
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    Sorry if this has been put forward in this thread...I just got it and am too pissed (on Xmas Eve) to bother reading back on the thread.

    Worth a read.
    "The movement to stop man-made climate change and the movement to deny its existence in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence are now growing in parallel. The former is supported by traditional scientific organizations and outlets as well as environmental advocates, big-budget humanitarians, and the Pope. The latter is supported largely by scientifically illiterate political operatives funded either directly or indirectly by fossil fuel companies....."

    "....Theories run the gamut from interesting to totally insane. The only thing they all share in common is the premise that scientists would willingly work in concert to misrepresent the truth, which would be without post-Enlightenment historical precedent...."

    https://www.inverse.com/article/2471...924f044efee13a

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    Overwhelming scientific evidence is to quote Biden a pile of malarkey, the 97% has been proven wrong endlessly and they endlessly continue to quote it. Those who profess it have been bought and paid for or are part and parcel of the hard core green/left complex. This is right out of Nazi propaganda page 1, when you lie, lie big, people tend to believe big lies more and lie often, keep on repeating it, people tend to think there must be something to it when its brought up so often. Yes brought up and repeated bye the left with an agenda, and the agenda is our doom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien
    This is right out of Nazi propaganda page 1, when you lie, lie big, people tend to believe big lies more and lie often
    This coming from a guy who claimed that the arctic was frozen solid until I pointed out that a luxury cruise liner was in the midst of circumnavigating it. You and almost everything you post is nonsense and devoid of any science or facts.

    Continue on with your mindless ramblings old man. Soon reality will provide you with massive overwhelming evidence and you denialists will be as ancient as the Dodo bird.

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    When weather casters show that big map of North America with weather systems moving across it, at the end of the spot, the view should pull back, and show temperatures not only in North America, but across the globe, in relation to historical averages – like the image below from the U of Maine’s Climate re-analyzer.


    The Arctic continues to run a fever.

    On Thursday, the temperature there was almost 30 C warmer than average, and it continued into Friday morning. Ocean buoys recorded temperatures near the North Pole of 0 C or warmer. That’s right: It’s warmer in the Arctic than it is in Thunder Bay, Ont.




    Little more on Mann’s win,…

    Big Win for Climate Scientist


    A defamation lawsuit filed by a high-profile climate scientist will be allowed to proceed, an appeals court ruled on Thursday.

    The origins of the lawsuit

    Mann and several other colleagues first published the hockey stick graph in the late 1990s, and it has since become one of the most recognizable visual illustrations of human-caused–or anthropogenic–climate change. The graph used temperature data acquired from a variety of sources including tree rings, coral samples and ancient sediments to depicts a sharp uptick in global temperatures in the 20th century in comparison with prior centuries. Scientists attribute the rise to a spike in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations brought on by human industrial activities.


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    lie often, keep on repeating it
    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien View Post
    This is right out of Nazi propaganda page 1, when you lie, lie big, people tend to believe big lies more and lie often, keep on repeating it, people tend to think there must be something to it when its brought up so often.
    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien View Post
    On notrickszone.com is an article about how eu companies have scammed the co2 trading emmisions scheme for 25 billion euros. Its detailed read it. No wonder so many companies and lefties and greens, corrupt all! have jumped onto the green bandwagon. Look at the money to be scammed from the little people.

    The article comes from derspiegel the german newspaper and the first link was from the site that cannot be mentioned climatedepot.com.
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    and now with the revelation bye der Spiegel of the green/leftist/bigbusiness on the side of the greens and lefts!!!! scam of 25 billion euros in the carbon trading scheme.
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    The 25 billion euro scam proves the whole thing was created to milk people of their money, the greens have been corrupted, everything they do and say is to retain power and credibility while they milk us of more billions.
    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien View Post
    The 25 billion euro scam revealed bye der spiegle proves everything ive been saying. All the hard core green supporters here are either like the Nazi leaders, complicit/guilty in everything or like the SS soldiers willing to give their lives for der fuhrer who never lies, who is going to lead them to a better world [for them only]
    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien View Post
    Notice how the greens here run from the revelation of the 25 billion euro scam bye them and their leftist buddies and guess who their industrial company buds. Yah no right wingers in sight. Its all the left looting the the carbon trade system they set up. Who woulda guessed that its the greens and left who are corrupt. Ya they set up a system they knew they could scam and then they scammed it. And whos paying for it all? Yes the little people. And its sure not the green believers doing it, the bottom rank and file, most of them still are unaware of it. Its the leadership, the propaganda spreaders, the ones who never back down. Just like, just like, umm just like those who post here.
    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien View Post
    And once again you refuse to answer about Der Spiegles article on the 25 billion euros the greens and left have scammed from global warming in Europe. Its all about the money and power, the more power you have the more money you can scam. Just keep chanting the mantra to the masses global warming, global warming and they will open their pocketbooks to you. They are waking up.
    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien View Post
    They don't want to talk about der spiegels article about how the greens and left with crooked big business scammed 25 billion euros.
    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien View Post
    der spiegels article last week about how the green/leftwingers/business companies scammed 25 billion euros using the carbon trading scheme.
    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien View Post
    And we are now approaching 2 weeks and the greens here are still running away from der spiegels story on massive green left wing corruption in Europe that has scammed 25 billion euros from the common people. That is one of the real reasons for the global scare, a scam to milk us.
    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien View Post
    der speigel and the 25 billion euro scam bye the greens and left wing.
    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien View Post
    But I wont let it go away here ill keep bringing it up every week just to remind everyone of the lies, corruption and evil that make up present days green left wing alliance.
    We haven’t heard anything from you in a while about the subject. Is there a reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien View Post
    the greens here are still running away from der spiegels story on massive green left wing corruption in Europe that has scammed 25 billion euros from the common people.
    You might want to start your own thread so everyone can follow it, as I once did:

    http://teakdoor.com/world-news/68796...on-6-dead.html (West Virginia Mine Explosion: 6 Dead, 21 Missing)

    Keep us all posted

    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien View Post
    go to notrickszone.com and scroll down past all the articles on global warming till wayyy down now you come to the one on der speigel and the 25 billion euro scam bye the greens and left wing
    Industry windfall profits from Europe’s carbon market 2008-2015

    HOW ENERGY-INTENSIVE COMPANIES CASH IN ON THEIR POLLUTION AT TAXPAYERS’ EXPENSE
    A closer look at one example country (not the highest taker on the list) to see who these industries/companies might be.



    Looking above, the companies/industries I have circled don’t look like the companies/industries that green left wing groups would support. In fact I know environmentalists support another type of action to show their disapproval of the companies I have circled.

    Maybe I should threaten to bring this up every week until pulvarien admits he misled everyone about the article he referenced.
    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy
    7 minutes for debunking....
    This has been posted before and the Professor is named William Happer. He is a physicist and not a climate scientist.

    He is a paid hack who takes money from big oil to write bogus papers;

    "Leading climate-sceptic academic, Professor William Happer, agreed to write a report for a Middle Eastern oil company on the benefits of CO2 and to allow the firm to keep the source of the funding secret. "

    "In emails to reporters he also revealed Peabody Energy paid thousands of dollars for him to testify at a separate state hearing, with the money being paid to a climate-sceptic think tank."

    “I am trying get [sic] another mysterious client to donate funds to the CO2 Coalition instead of compensating me for my writing something for them.” – Professor Happer

    https://energydesk.greenpeace.org/20...mics-for-hire/

    Greenpeace exposes climate change deniers Professors William Happer and Frank Clemente

    He is also a member of the Cato institute founded by the Koch brothers. So the guy is a total hack.

    You will have to try harder than that.

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    https://www.desmogblog.com/william-happer

    William Happer

    Credentials

    • Ph.D, physics, Princeton (1964).
    • Bachelor's degree in physics from University of North Carolina (1960).
    Source: [1]
    Background

    William Happer is the emeritus Eugene Higgens Professor of Physics and Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics at Princeton University. Happer is a Director of the CO2 Coalition, a group formed in 2015 out of the former George C. Marshall Institute where Happer was also previously Chairman of the Board. [2], [3]
    Happer is involved with a range of other climate change denial groups. He is on the Academic Advisory Council of the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF). Will Happer is also member of a group titled Climate Exit (Clexit), founded in the summer of 2016. [4], [5]
    According to Clexit's founding statement (PDF), “The world must abandon this suicidal Global Warming crusade. Man does not and cannot control the climate.” [6]
    According to Will Happer's profile at the Cato Institute where he is adjunct scholar, his specialty at Princeton University was modern optics, optical and radiofrequency spectroscopy of atoms and molecules, radiation propagation in the atmosphere, and spin-polarized atoms and nuclei. From 1991-1993, Happer was the Director of Energy Research at the U.S. Department of Energy. [7]
    Fossil Fuel Funding

    William Happer has accepted funding from the fossil fuel industry in the past. In a Minnesota state hearing on the impacts of carbon dioxide, Peabody Energy paid him $8,000 which was routed through the CO2 Coalition. [8]
    In 2015 undercover investigation by Greenpeace, Happer told Greenpeace reporters that he would be willing to produce research promoting the benefits of carbon dioxide for $250 per hour, while the funding sources could be similarly concealed by routing them through theCO2 Coalition. [8]

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    Don't prove its caused by man

    And if it is, all well and good, who wants an icy cold winter- old people die in Britain- where the houses are cheaply built, and pavements slippery.
    All that salty grit they use when the roads are icy is terrible for the environment too.

    lets get the carbon levels up to 700 ppm and maybe next year I can go for a walk on the beach in my T shirt.

    I say happy Christmas Co2



    more coal Santa !!!!!!!!!!!
    I'll warm the earth up - nice and toasty

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    CO2 levels were a lot higher thousands of years ago compared to today. But this man made stuff still ain't a scam......

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    There is an interesting article on the site that cannot be named climatedepot.com, on the right listed under 411, titled final Christmas of the global warming scam, it lists 4 different newspaper articles on different arctic heatwaves , the ny times in 1958, reuters in 1982 and 2 bye austrailian papers in 40 and 34. In other words this event isn't so out of the ordinary. Also theres an interesting part on how the ice cap in Greenland is undergoing explosive growth right now. etc etc etc.

    Its all hot air folks u cant trust them. You see all the hatred for me and all I do is post the info on links that explain easily the lies in the khmergreens propaganda, if you just look at the site climatedepot.com every couple of days what is revealed is shocking and oh they want to silence that info sooo badly. Silence the opposition? is that democratic? is that honest? Why are they so paranoid? Its because they have so much to hide and the bed sheets are actually so small, but you the readers have to make an effort and then you will realize just how corrupt the whole left has become. They aren't green, they aren't democratic, its all money and power and hard core repressive socialism of the more repressive sort that will use the jackboot to silence opposition, there politicians already call for it. In Germany some of you may of heard how merkel now wants to set up a govt truth dept to block untrue news wellll........... I admit I do fear for the future and the worlds burgeoning population, but all rich successful countries populations are no longer exploding we barely break even if that, the answer for the poor countries is to make them richer. I see honesty and truth as the solution not the way of the jackboot greens....
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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    CO2 levels were a lot higher thousands of years ago compared to today.
    Ya and humans didn't exist, sea levels were a hundred feet higher and the average temperature was 11 degrees higher.

    CO2 levels are far higher now than they have been for anytime during the past 800,000 years.



    The Last Time CO2 Was This High, Humans Didn't Exist | Climate Central

    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    But this man made stuff still ain't a scam......
    You really are stupid. I bet you think lizard people rule the world.


    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien
    Also theres an interesting part on how the ice cap in Greenland is undergoing explosive growth right now.
    To go along with your claim that the arctic was frozen solid at the same time that a luxury liner was circumnavigating it.

    You people sure don't let facts get in the way do you?

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    The problem with the previous graph is simple, its a continuation of the 30 plus years crisis never ending crisis, its the end, its coming and were doing it GODZILLAAAAA. But when you get up in the morning and go out its exactly the same today as it was 30 years ago. So where is this ever building crisis? Everyone knows exactly what I'm saying, where is this giant monster GODZILLAAAAAA? There is nothing, its our money, our power, and our jobs they want.

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    Learn about residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulvarien
    the 97% has been proven wrong endlessly and they endlessly continue to quote it
    Try 99.999%...

    Climate Scientists Virtually Unanimous
    Anthropogenic Global Warming Is True
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    First Published March 28, 2016 research-article

    Abstract

    The extent of the consensus among scientists on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) has the potential to influence public opinion and the attitude of political leaders and thus matters greatly to society. The history of science demonstrates that if we wish to judge the level of a scientific consensus and whether the consensus position is likely to be correct, the only reliable source is the peer-reviewed literature. During 2013 and 2014, only 4 of 69,406 authors of peer-reviewed articles on global warming, 0.0058% or 1 in 17,352, rejected AGW. Thus, the consensus on AGW among publishing scientists is above 99.99%, verging on unanimity. The U.S. House of Representatives holds 40 times as many global warming rejecters as are found among the authors of scientific articles. The peer-reviewed literature contains no convincing evidence against AGW.
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    99.999% do I have to say anything more, really? you should all shiver in fear, your money, your jobs, your freedom, your future dwindling, dwindling, gone.

    Since he may be aussie I want to remind all of an interesting ozzie fact, the association of engineers and geologists in oz, [I don't know the exact name] put out a number of years ago a statement that they believed and supported global warming. The pushback from vocal members was strong and yet it still took them a couple of years to force a vote on this point since one was actually never taken, the elected leaders just put it out there. [notice that greens running for power positions again and again] And guess what, the majority of members of engineers and geologists in oz voted that they did not believe global warming was man made. 99.9999% really? They lie, lie, lie, lie, twist, misinform, misquote, slander, attack, attack, attack, you cant trust them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Ya and humans didn't exist, sea levels were a hundred feet higher and the average temperature was 11 degrees higher.

    CO2 levels are far higher now than they have been for anytime during the past 800,000 years.

    You really are stupid. I bet you think lizard people rule the world.
    Whilst bsnub seems to retain an excess of lizard brain, he has copied enough online opinions to happen upon the correct one, although, lacks sufficient depth of understanding to explain it, hence the constant thrashing at the keyboard


    You have to cross-reference a few more graphs to arrive at something closer to the truth; these graphs for instance, contradict your 800,000 graph... get a few more



    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    To go along with your claim that the arctic was frozen solid at the same time that a luxury liner was circumnavigating it.
    This? Home - The Polar Ocean Challenge
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1F2i0rYMj8

    we are all figments of our own imagination.

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    The thing about graphs is they can be played with to a certain extent and the left/greens are masters. For example they will start their graphs at exactly where it is most opportune to push their point and end them where it is most opportune to push their point again. They don't start their graphs to show the full truth, just push their points. One such graph I saw an article on 20 or so years ago shocked me, the evil deniers simply revealed the greens corruption of the truth bye showing the previous 50 or so years and the missing last 7 or so, and the shocking crisis graph turned into a simple repeating wave. I was so disgusted at the greens that I started to read more.
    They do this with election information as well. For example to overexaggerate how many more votes Hillary had then trump take a closer look at their graphs and all will be revealed. Ive told you over and over you cant trust them, they play with the facts, figures....

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    Yeah but Pulvarien, I am not a lefty or a green (far from it), as the likes of your interlocutors will attest... I do however have training and experience in the science and engineering in the environmental field... I am loathed to agree with "ecofascists" or whatever, but they are correct... maybe not correct in terms of actually understanding the data or presenting it accurately, but by parroting the words of people who do know.
    The problem is that whilst some of the evidence is bullshit (I've personally had to rewrite code for datalogging modules that put data into large archives used by scientists, and seen that years of it is utter crap, but there are smart scientists who can see this, and wrangle code in matlab to get to the proper stuff), and some of the presentation of it is disingenuous and deceitful, overall, the the evidence is there. It has to be packaged in a way that people can and will digest.
    I don't think the confrontational approach of the left-libtards is at all helpful... constantly polarising the debate by bashing their opponents, instead of tapping into areas of common interest - e.g.: nobody wants to eat fish full of Mercury and get cancer and die; and nobody thinks dumping rubbish and chemicals on land and in water where you might want to enjoy that land or water recreationally is a good thing. The attitude of the left needs to change to create common cause with the right to clean up the planet. The evidence is there, just that the busiest pushers of it, don't understand it - my point to bsnub was that you would need to bring in a much larger set of graphs to really show accurately what is happening and where and since when - but it doesn't mean than in general the point is correct. It's just that the pro-environment movement has been hijacked by Marxists and cryptofascists, when really conservation is a more natural fit for conservatives... people who do hunting and live and work in the countryside, rather than just consume the products of it.

    It is correct to say that the climate has always changed, there's stacks of evidence for that. It is also correct to say that human industrial activity has added input into the system and changed the climate further.
    Having huge Asian nations industrialising, and polluting without restraint, due to endemic corruption and lack of education and general cultural backwardness and selfishness also clearly adds yet more shit into the system.

    There is no "them" in environmental science, Pulvarian, there are right-wingers in it too... trying to collect accurate data to keep the planet pretty... so please don't see this as an either-or... there are no white and black hats hear as actual retards like bsnub would have - you can be pro-Trump and pro-environment; and pro-Obama and anti-environment... think about the environmental impact of all of Obama's wars! Never mind the complete Amoco fuck up in the Gulf that Obama tried to go xenophobic on by saying British Petroleum all the time - it was the dumb American half of Amoco bought by BP that was responsible for that fuck up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
    It is also correct to say that human industrial activity has added input into the system and changed the climate further.
    I rest my case.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
    This?
    The Arctic has been experiencing a major heat wave | CTV News

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ctic-shipping/

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
    you can be pro-Trump and pro-environment
    That would be like a Christian embracing Lucifer. Get real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo View Post
    Yeah but Pulvarien, I am not a lefty or a green (far from it), as the likes of your interlocutors will attest... I do however have training and experience in the science and engineering in the environmental field... I am loathed to agree with "ecofascists" or whatever, but they are correct... maybe not correct in terms of actually understanding the data or presenting it accurately, but by parroting the words of people who do know.
    The problem is that whilst some of the evidence is bullshit (I've personally had to rewrite code for datalogging modules that put data into large archives used by scientists, and seen that years of it is utter crap, but there are smart scientists who can see this, and wrangle code in matlab to get to the proper stuff), and some of the presentation of it is disingenuous and deceitful, overall, the the evidence is there. It has to be packaged in a way that people can and will digest.
    I don't think the confrontational approach of the left-libtards is at all helpful... constantly polarising the debate by bashing their opponents, instead of tapping into areas of common interest - e.g.: nobody wants to eat fish full of Mercury and get cancer and die; and nobody thinks dumping rubbish and chemicals on land and in water where you might want to enjoy that land or water recreationally is a good thing. The attitude of the left needs to change to create common cause with the right to clean up the planet. The evidence is there, just that the busiest pushers of it, don't understand it - my point to bsnub was that you would need to bring in a much larger set of graphs to really show accurately what is happening and where and since when - but it doesn't mean than in general the point is correct. It's just that the pro-environment movement has been hijacked by Marxists and cryptofascists, when really conservation is a more natural fit for conservatives... people who do hunting and live and work in the countryside, rather than just consume the products of it.

    It is correct to say that the climate has always changed, there's stacks of evidence for that. It is also correct to say that human industrial activity has added input into the system and changed the climate further.
    Having huge Asian nations industrialising, and polluting without restraint, due to endemic corruption and lack of education and general cultural backwardness and selfishness also clearly adds yet more shit into the system.

    There is no "them" in environmental science, Pulvarian, there are right-wingers in it too... trying to collect accurate data to keep the planet pretty... so please don't see this as an either-or... there are no white and black hats hear as actual retards like bsnub would have - you can be pro-Trump and pro-environment; and pro-Obama and anti-environment... think about the environmental impact of all of Obama's wars! Never mind the complete Amoco fuck up in the Gulf that Obama tried to go xenophobic on by saying British Petroleum all the time - it was the dumb American half of Amoco bought by BP that was responsible for that fuck up.
    At last a voice of reason in the debate.

    Here is my take on the subject after a lot of reading of science papers from both sides of the argument and my understanding of thermodynamics.
    75% of global warming gas in the atmosphere is water vapor. The other 25% is made up of other gases in the atmosphere including CO2. Although still not proven the great amount of scientific evidence points greatly towards CO2 as a global warming gas. A certain percentage of this is man made and is adding to the pre industrial amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. We have now reached over 400ppm. As an actual percentage of gas in the atmosphere this is quite a miniscule amount. However, as the amount of CO2 increases there is a high probability of the average global temperature rising. My understanding of how CO2 causes global warming suggests that the actual rise of global temperature will be very small compared to the increase of CO2.
    In saying that we cannot and should not go on changing the natural balance in the atmosphere ad infinitum as there are still too many unknowns in atmospheric science and this could come back and hugely bite humanity on the arse.
    As I have stated before, does not basic logic say We are far better off by minimising both pollution and CO2 emissions for the health of humanity and the planet as this will be a definite 100% win, rather than an at best 50/50 gamble that the end result may or may not be disastrous. I would have thought that was common sense.

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