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    An affront to the scientific process...


    An article about the global warming community trying to silence an investigation into the tampering of historical data to by NOAA in whose study 'shows' that the the global warming pause never occurred...



    Top science groups tell Congress to stop probing NOAA's alleged misdeeds Saying it will have a 'chilling effect' on science.

    eight scientific
    organizations have sent a letter this week to Rep. Lamar Smith (R) for investigating corruption at NOAA. Whistleblowers came forward during a congressional oversight hearing about data manipulation in a much-hyped global warming study. Rep. Smith, who chairs the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, has subpoenaed government-owned emails related to NOAA's work to determine if a landmark global warming study was "rushed to publication" to fit Obama's "aggressive climate agenda."

    At issue is a June paper (a.k.a. the Karl study) released by NOAA's National Center for Environmental Information (NCEI) that claims the global warming pause for the last 18-26 years was a figment of "uncorrected" data. NOAA removed the pause by tinkering with the data to produce the desired outcome, leaving many top climate scientists bewildered. And not just skeptics.


    full article here :
    Top science groups tell Congress to stop probing NOAA's alleged misdeeds - Climate Dispatch
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    ^ Those scientific organizations are saying the study is open and transparent and the Republicans once again on a witch hunt just because they disagree. Lamar Smith is just wasting taxpayer money with his stupid Tea Party grandstanding. A Tea Party created by the Koch brothers in pursuit of their own greedy agenda.


    Scientific Proof That Exxon And The Kochs Distorted The Public’s Understanding Of Climate Change

    When it comes to climate deniers in the halls of Congress, some have suggested that their rejection of the scientific consensus on climate change stems from their financial ties to the fossil fuel industry.

    But it turns out that it’s not just members of Congress whose climate doubt may be traced back to corporate influence — a study published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences suggests that over the last 20 years, private funding has had an important influence on the overall polarization of climate change as a topic in the United States.

    “The main thesis that corporate funding influences climate change issues is definitely something people have been writing about for a long time, but just not with the type of data to fully support these conclusions,” Justin Farrell, author of the study and a sociologist at Yale University, told ThinkProgress. “It confirms what we thought using comprehensive data and computational analyses.”

    To understand how corporate funding has contributed to the polarization of climate change in the United States, Farrell looked at 20 years’ worth of data, analyzing articles, texts, and policy papers produced by 164 organizations and more than 4,500 individuals who do not accept the science of climate change (that climate change is either not happening or not a product of human activity). The study also looked at funding from two key contrarian entities: the Koch Family Foundations and ExxonMobil.

    By analyzing both the networks of individuals and organizations that have participated in climate misinformation campaigns and the climate-related texts that those organizations produced between 1993 and 2013, Farrell found what he described to the Washington Post as an “ecosystem of influence” within groups that received corporate funding. Groups that received funding from Koch or Exxon were not only more likely to have written texts aimed at polarizing climate change, but were more likely to change the emphasis of their content over time. Beginning in 2008, groups that received funding were more likely than unfunded groups to produce texts stressing things like the idea that climate change is a long term cycle or that carbon dioxide is in fact good for the planet, key tenets of the climate misinformation campaign aimed at casting doubt on the scientific consensus. Groups that received funding consistently touted these themes, while groups with no funding didn’t show the same level of coordination.

    “This funding has an impact on the nature and amount of what is going out in the climate misinformation effort,” Robert Brulle, a professor of sociology and environmental science at Drexel University who was not involved in the study, told ThinkProgress. “It’s stronger, and there’s more of it, and these organizations are at the core of the effort.”

    The study comes out at a time when ExxonMobil is facing increasing public scrutiny for its role in misleading the public about climate change. Several prominent politicians have called for a Department of Justice investigation into whether or not Exxon purposefully mislead the public about climate change, based on information published in a recent Inside Climate News investigation which found that Exxon’s internal research confirmed in 1977 that climate change is caused by carbon emissions from fossil fuels. Earlier this month, New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman issued a subpoena to Exxon, demanding records relating to its climate research.

    “[The study] gives credence and empirical strength to the argument that ExxonMobil made a concerted effort to promulgate climate misinformation, which they knew from their internal research was false,” Brulle said.

    But beyond Exxon, Brulle praised the paper for proving with data something that climate activists have long suspected: When it comes to climate misinformation, corporate funding plays a crucial role.

    “We sort of always suspected that this was the case, that the funders were building and creating this effort, but this really demonstrates it empirically,” he said. “This is a very, very robust and interesting paper.”

    Scientific Proof That Exxon And The Kochs Distorted The Public's Understanding Of Climate Change | ThinkProgress

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    An article about the global warming community trying to silence an investigation into the tampering of historical data to by NOAA in whose study 'shows' that the the global warming pause never occurred,.....
    From your link,…..

    The letter to Smith by these eight organizations admits that Congress does have oversight responsibility, but that its inquiries "should not be used as a tool to inhibit the ability of federal scientists to fulfill" their goals. But Smith isn't investigating NOAA's goals, only its alleged misdeeds. Why was the Karl study rushed to publication over the objections of other NOAA scientists and why did it ignore the scientific method?

    Rushed

    The weather station database was published in Geoscience Data Journal in June 2014, and NOAA processed the raw data using the same methods it had used before; those methods were published in 2011. The sea surface temperature database, which Rep. Smith appears to view with suspicion, was published in the Journal of Climate in February 2015, but started the peer review process in December 2013. (As any researcher can tell you, peer review can drag on for a long time.)

    I don’t want to dwell on this too much but,……..


    Lamar Smith

    he's taken in more than $630,000 in contributions from the oil and gas sector since 1989
    Got anything better Blue,….Like Science?
    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

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    yesterday

    NOAA and other scientific organizations have released numerous studies that acknowledge a global warming pause for the last 18-26 years, and there have been nearly 70 excuses trying to shoo it away.
    and now, ''oh we are fed up making excuses, lets just change the historical data say to 'show' the pause never happened ,and make a pretty graph for Obama to take to Paris ...''

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    yesterday

    NOAA and other scientific organizations have released numerous studies that acknowledge a global warming pause for the last 18-26 years, and there have been nearly 70 excuses trying to shoo it away.
    and now, ''oh we are fed up making excuses, lets just change the historical data say to 'show' the pause never happened ,and make a pretty graph for Obama to take to Paris ...''
    Can you show me a properly annotated and attributed graph showing this "pause"?

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    ^ Of course he cant none of them can. I cant wait until this investigation can not come up with one shred of credible evidence that NASA has done anything wrong. Morons.


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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    An article about the global warming community trying to silence an investigation into the tampering of historical data to by NOAA in whose study 'shows' that the the global warming pause never occurred,.....
    From your link,…..

    The letter to Smith by these eight organizations admits that Congress does have oversight responsibility, but that its inquiries "should not be used as a tool to inhibit the ability of federal scientists to fulfill" their goals. But Smith isn't investigating NOAA's goals, only its alleged misdeeds. Why was the Karl study rushed to publication over the objections of other NOAA scientists and why did it ignore the scientific method?

    Rushed

    The weather station database was published in Geoscience Data Journal in June 2014, and NOAA processed the raw data using the same methods it had used before; those methods were published in 2011. The sea surface temperature database, which Rep. Smith appears to view with suspicion, was published in the Journal of Climate in February 2015, but started the peer review process in December 2013. (As any researcher can tell you, peer review can drag on for a long time.)

    I don’t want to dwell on this too much but,……..


    Lamar Smith

    he's taken in more than $630,000 in contributions from the oil and gas sector since 1989
    Got anything better Blue,….Like Science?


    Got anything better? The complete refusal to submit the emails and records asked for speaks volumes, what are they afraid of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    ^ Of course he cant none of them can. I cant wait until this investigation can not come up with one shred of credible evidence that NASA has done anything wrong. Morons.

    Only time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    ^ Of course he cant none of them can. I cant wait until this investigation can not come up with one shred of credible evidence that NASA has done anything wrong. Morons.

    Only time will tell.
    Indeed you will and the deniers will be clowned.

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    [QUOTE=RPETER65;3150156]
    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    I think that's why that documentary was called "An Inconvenient Truth".

    QED.

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    So why does NOAA conveniently leave out satellite data when it releases climate projections?

    NOAA should be held to the highest scientific standards. This means their conclusions should be objective, independent of political consideration and based on all available sources of information.

    NOAA often fails to consider all available data in its determinations and climate change reports to the public. A recent study by NOAA, published in the journal Science, made “adjustments” to historical temperature records and NOAA trumpeted the findings as refuting the nearly two-decade pause in global warming. The study’s authors claimed these adjustments were supposedly based on new data and new methodology. But the study failed to include satellite data.
    Atmospheric satellite data, considered by many to be the most objective, has clearly showed no warming for the past two decades. This fact is well documented, but has been embarrassing for an administration determined to push through costly environmental regulations.
    From the highly regarded Washington Times


    LAMAR SMITH: NOAA's climate change science fiction - Washington Times


    Possible answers:

    ''It is called "datapoint shopping". It is used by less than honest researchers who start with a conclusion, and shop for data that support that conclusion. It is not real science.''

    ''Basically they are the actors in lab coats trying to sell you Preparation H.''

    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
    H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    From the highly regarded Washington Times
    Highly regarded?

    You're fucking kidding, right?

    It's a right wing knob job owned by the Moonies.


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    Yes I was kidding, not being American I've never heard of it.

    But being kind I just added that line, to give the defeated alarmists here a way to avoid answering the question and talk shite instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    Yes I was kidding, not being American I've never heard of it.

    But being kind I just added that line, to give the defeated alarmists here a way to avoid answering the question and talk shite instead
    I don't think alarmists is the word.

    It's a battle between the informed and the ignorant.

    And of course there is only one winner.

    Muppets like yourself that swallow the right wing pseudoscience because you're too dumb to understand it will probably be the first ones bleating about why no-one did anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Muppets like yourself that swallow the right wing pseudoscience because you're too dumb to understand it will probably be the first ones bleating about why no-one did anything.
    Got that right.

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    I'm afraid - yes, really, coz I have children - that all this arguing is slightly irrelevant. Looking at Paris, the potential 'agreement' value - all typical political smoke and mirrors - and the frankly insane hope that the planet's humans/nations can work together rather than pursue their own narrow self-interest, the chances of holding a 2 degree limit are - realistically - nil, zero, fuckall.

    Ye olde horse would appear to have bolted. Time's up.

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    Paris is a silly event considering there's no global warming at all, but still it's very sad to the governments are hijacking the event and using their para-military police to batter the people...

    fucking scum pigs:










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    This past weekend there were climate marches around the world.








    In Paris (where the main march was to take place) they were not given permission to march because of safety concerns but there was still a protest. And a showing,………


    Seems the awareness campaign went well: Largest Climate Mobilisation in History - From São Paulo, to Sana’a, to Sydney, over 785,000 of us marched at 2,300 events in 175 countries united in one voice calling for a 100% clean energy future to save everything we love.

    And even today, in Paris there are over 600 pieces of street art denouncing corporate sponsorship of the event.




    These protests/marches do work!


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    lets march against the sun !

    Was it king Canutes birthday or something



    These protests/marches do not work!
    nature tends not to listen

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    shouldn't you be trolling a rape thread or something..?


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    Part of the problem is MMGW people mixing up pollution and global warming.
    As shown in this cartoon

    lets fight real pollution and overpopulation - not plant food co2



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