Mein Kampf: Like Jesus, Hitler was a socialist

**Butterfly** · 20-03-2011, 09:25 AM

Someone posted a link to Hitler.org, didn't even know that such a project existed, but it turned out to be an interesting link, with historical facts about the man and what was the most interesting part of the 20th Century history.

Never got to read his book, as it's banned in most countries. Here it's available on the net. I have been told it was quite a boring read, maybe DrB has indulged himself already with such reading and could comment.

Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler

what I find interesting is the socialist worker angle, the call for destitute. In some sense, he is more like Jesus, and like him, hated the Jewish groups (even though he seemed confused between religion and the ethnic group). They seem both to be highly similar, but history is portraying them very differently, simply by their actions. Yet Jesus could have been as brutal a dictator if given the chance.

Bible vs Mein Kampf ? Shouldn't Mein Kampf be required reading for everyone like the New Testament ?

**Thormaturge** · 20-03-2011, 11:06 AM

Stalin was responsible for far more deaths than Hitler, and he was a lot quicker about it too.

**Rural Surin** · 20-03-2011, 12:29 PM

Imagine the hundreds of millions of deaths in the name of Jesus.

**Muadib** · 20-03-2011, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

They seem both to be highly similar, but history is portraying them very differently, simply by their actions.

History is written by the winners...

**Mid** · 20-03-2011, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

hundreds of millions of deaths

just a tiny exaggeration

**Butterfly** · 20-03-2011, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Imagine the hundreds of millions of deaths in the name of Jesus.

good point, that's also where I was going to go

Jesus is probably as much responsible for the killing of thousands of innocent as Hitler himself

**Butterfly** · 20-03-2011, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Stalin was responsible for far more deaths than Hitler, and he was a lot quicker about it too.

Stalin was a pig, he had no vision, only survival instinct

Hitler and Jesus had political visions, and their impact on history is there to stay

**Mid** · 20-03-2011, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Jesus is probably as much responsible for the killing of thousands of innocent as Hitler himself

then you'll have no problem in offering proof of the deaths Jesus ordered to match those of Hitler ?

**Butterfly** · 20-03-2011, 01:24 PM

^ Peaceful Christianity ?

**Mid** · 20-03-2011, 01:32 PM

nope and as you are aware that is NOT what I said , there is plenty of anecdotal evidence of bloodshed in Christianity .

that said it is a far cry from your claim which you'll be unable to back up .

**Davis Knowlton** · 20-03-2011, 01:51 PM

I don't get it. Hitler was real. Stalin was real. Are all of you posters, including some who are generally pretty bright, trying to claim that Jesus was real?

**Rural Surin** · 20-03-2011, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I don't get it. Hitler was real. Stalin was real. Are all of you posters, including some who are generally pretty bright, trying to claim that Jesus was real?

Even more horrid. Hundreds of millions brought to death in the name of a suggested fictitious character.

**buriramboy** · 20-03-2011, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I don't get it. Hitler was real. Stalin was real. Are all of you posters, including some who are generally pretty bright, trying to claim that Jesus was real?

Jesus was a real person and existed, he just wasn't the son of God as deluded people who believe in fairy tales would have you accept.

**Davis Knowlton** · 20-03-2011, 03:07 PM

^Interesting take. How do you figure he was real? Because the Bible, a work of fiction written many years after his alleged birth/death, says so?

**buriramboy** · 20-03-2011, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^Interesting take. How do you figure he was real? Because the Bible, a work of fiction written many years after his alleged birth/death, says so?

To me Jesus was just a politician who lived 2000 years ago, albeit not a very successful one as he never assumed any sort of political power from what i can make out, totally agree on the bible being a work of fiction that somehow turned some religeous politician into the son of God who could do magic tricks though. I don't think any historians actually dispute that their was a dude called Jesus who lived about 2000 years ago it's just who and what he was that is called into question.

**Boon Mee** · 20-03-2011, 03:53 PM

Hitler was an asshole. He hated Freemasons etc...

**nidhogg** · 20-03-2011, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

. In some sense, he is more like Jesus, and like him, hated the Jewish groups (even though he seemed confused between religion and the ethnic group).

Jesus hated the Jewish groups? Really? What version of the bible have you been reading there?

**Bower** · 20-03-2011, 04:13 PM

I belive Hitlers hatred of the Jews was born out of his burning hatred of communisum, which he blamed for Germany's humiliation after WW1.
He soon latched on to the method of uniting the German people around him by whipping up a common hatred.
The Jews were not exactly popular in Eastern Europe and so he gained a little sympathy and support from other nations until they realised too late his intentions.

The comparison to the religious leader 'Jesus' (born a jew) is preposterous IMHO.

**nidhogg** · 20-03-2011, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Bower

The comparison to the religious leader 'Jesus' (born a jew) is preposterous IMHO.

Indeed. Utter bollix I wold have said. Only butterfly (or possibly Boon mee as well) could draw a parallel between "Hey guys, don't kill people" (jesus) and "lets kill all the jews, slavs, gays, communists etc" (Hitler)

**Boon Mee** · 20-03-2011, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^I guess Boon's reading the version that says Jesus killed all of the European Jews in the 1930's and 1940's. I always thought it was Hitler's idea.......

Whoops...spead-read that post above and thought it said "Hitler hated the Jewish groups"

**Thormaturge** · 20-03-2011, 04:55 PM

In the days of the Roman Empire "history" was largely passed on verbally. My take on Jesus and the bible is that the events described in the Bible, whilst exaggeratedk, did happen. Jesus probably was real, but not the Son of God, but then Mary had to come up with some excuse that Joseph might believe and that is as good as any. The Jews certainly don't seem to believe it.

My own take is that Jesus was probably as intuitive about Human nature as was Shaekespeare. He would probably stand a better chance in modern day Bangkok than most Farang sseem to.

Once we get beyond religion, and figure out how best to distribute resources instead of fighting over them, then maybe we might have a right to exist for another few thousand years. It would help if we all spoke the same language to begin with, I propose Welsh.

**CaptainNemo** · 20-03-2011, 05:07 PM

The German Genocide doesn't really rank as highly as other genocides, it's just got far more effective branding and marketing... plus it's subjects were generally "white" (a meaningless term); which makes their deaths more important in the eyes of the left; because socialists are generally more racist even than those they traduce as "far right".

More than twice as many Chinese were killed by Japanese during WW2 as were Jews by Germans.
And plenty of other Genocides were more revoltingly nasty... Turkey, Cambodia, Latin America, and of course Africa.
Genocides in history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jesus isn't responsible, just the various political organisations, i.e.: churches; that used the babble in the bible to control assets and people over the centuries... just a sophisticated mafia like all religions. Jesus was probably the Tony Blair of his day... a complete wanker in a kaftan, spouting tedious truisms all day, with his personal nobjockeys jotting it all down - a total attention seeker.

Just like even though Mohammed was a moon-worshipping paedophile, he can hardly be blamed for ape-like cranks like the Taliban, and the sort of vermin that the fascist-socialist Labour party infected the UK with during it's reign of terror

.
Politics = Religion, and murder is always justifiable (definitionally) in the name of enforcing it's control.

**Butterfly** · 20-03-2011, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Are all of you posters, including some who are generally pretty bright, trying to claim that Jesus was real?

according to credible scholars in the field, Jesus was real. He was a drunk, suffering from delusional paranoia, yet he was charismatic and convincing, like many Schizophrenic. He failed in his bid for absolute power on the "kingdom of men", and ended up killed by the existing authority as he was becoming a political nuisance. If he had succeeded, who knows what other genocide he would have carried.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Jesus hated the Jewish groups? Really? What version of the bible have you been reading there?

ah showing your ignorance again, nidhogg, maybe you shouldn't stick only to Frank Hebert books to illuminate your knowledge

Seriously, Jesus hated those multiple Jewish groups. At that time, there were many Jewish sects and his "church" was a competitor using a different angle. Let's not forget that "Juda" betrayed him if we are to believe the scriptures, but what it means really is that it was no secret that Jesus hated all those Jewish groups and decided to found his own "church" and his followers were known to target and attack violently those Jewish groups. Basically the early Christians were the SA of Jesus. This is well documented by Religion history scholars btw.

Of course, current Christians wouldn't want us to hear that, so these findings are not publicized. But when you see the connection and violence of certain current Christian organizations, it's not hard to see them become the new SS of a Christian Army. This could also explain how Christianity, at least Roman Catholics, and the Nazi had this "special" relationship, and still keep that "special" relationship to this day. They basically share the same ideals and long term vision.

Early Christianity == Early form of Nazism

**Bower** · 20-03-2011, 07:11 PM

I have no desire to support BF and views, however i did once have dealings with a particularly obnoxious group of Christians. They called themselves 'The Jesus Army' Their MO was to collect the vunerable and move them into barrack like accomodation, whilst milking them of anything of worth, be it their own money or the benifits they were collecting. They were truely nazi like in their use of intimidation.
I evicted them from a property they had fraudulently rented.

**Mid** · 20-03-2011, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Bower

group of Christians.

Originally Posted by Bower

They were truely nazi like in their use of intimidation.

weren't Christians then .

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