Thread: 9/11 truth

I think we need Kerux the expert to give us some light on the matter

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I think we need Kerux the expert to give us some light on the matter

I think if God him/herself came to earth and said that it was a bunch of terrorists who hijacked some planes and crashed them, there'd still be some nutters who'd rather believe it was their own govt. who did it.

Very sad.

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

i don't think flight 77 ever crashed.
no.

in fact i'm sure of it.

So fuck your plane, where are they all - playing a part in Lost?

Originally Posted by William

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

i don't think flight 77 ever crashed.
no.

in fact i'm sure of it.

So fuck your plane, where are they all - playing a part in Lost?

They're all in hiding somewhere, with new lives, maybe part of the government "witness relocation program" or something like it. They'll be coming out soon with a big "Ha! Ha! - got you all! You all thought it was terrorists but we all agreed to take part in this top secret exercise so we could start a war - and kill 3,000 people at the same time. Hmm, pity about that. But anyway, we're back!"

Originally Posted by Niteowl

You should pity them, much the way you would the fourth-place finisher in the Special Olympics.....

That's a good one! Funny.

I think it comes down to being skeptic vs. gullible

and guess what it works on both ways. Are you gullible to government lies or conspiracy nuts theories ? or are you skeptic to government lies or conspiracy nuts theories ?

basically it means that both sides are clueless and can be both manipulated. We don't know what happened exactly and we will never know because some key evidences have been taken away from the public (like the full cam footage in the Pentagon)

we may not know how it happened. we may not know why it happened. we do, however, know that lots and lots of families are now missing a loved one over the holiday season...

... and to claim otherwise is the folly - IMHO

people got killed, that's for sure. How many ? we don't know. It could be more for all we know.

But the government hasn't presented any evidence that the said terrorists did it. Their evidence is as thin as those conspiracy nuts and yet some of you are ready to believe it without much more explanation. So at the end, we know nothing and have nothing. CMN is no more a conspiracy nut than RDN, they just believe in different silly theories.

the bit i find hard to believe is that CMN really believes in the conspiracy theory.

Originally Posted by Niteowl

If it were a debate, they would present their own evidence, facts, logic, and reasoning to prove the position that they've taken. They haven't done so, because they haven't any.

That is not true, plenty of evidence and reasoning here, it's just I don't find it convincing.
But general and personal attacks on "conspiracy nuts" are, well, just that - not debating anything either.

Butterfly

Did you know that between 1997 and 1999 there were 136 reported security violations at Boston [Logan] airport? I know Flight 77 took off from Dulles, but it hardly had a much better record. Indeed, the only ariport out of the three used by the highjackers which came close to meeting security standards was Newark.

At the time of 9/11, getting on a domestic flight in the US was akin to hailing a cab. It was a disaster waiting to happen.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

people got killed, that's for sure. How many ? we don't know. It could be more for all we know.

But the government hasn't presented any evidence that the said terrorists did it. Their evidence is as thin as those conspiracy nuts and yet some of you are ready to believe it without much more explanation. So at the end, we know nothing and have nothing. CMN is no more a conspiracy nut than RDN, they just believe in different silly theories.

You fucking kidding me Butterfly. The evidence was right there at the scene. The whole building and the plane burnt but Mohammed Atta's passport was found unburnt. Isn't that enough evidence to prove that terrorists did it eh?

Originally Posted by benbaaa

Show me another building in the history of the world that hasn't collasped after a fucking airliner flew into it.

the eiffel tower 1909

It's even disputed whether Osama had anything to do with it, too:

Unknown News | Bin Laden tapes are phony | Kevin Barrett
The Fake 2001 Osama bin Laden Video Tape

To be perfectly honest it is preposterous to suggest this videotape could be authentic, but lets have a look at it anyway. Here's 5 Osamas - which is the odd one out?

Originally Posted by William

Did you know that between 1997 and 1999 there were 136 reported security violations at Boston [Logan] airport? I know Flight 77 took off from Dulles, but it hardly had a much better record. Indeed, the only ariport out of the three used by the highjackers which came close to meeting security standards was Newark.

Ok, fine but that hardly show that the islamists did it. It could have been Mossad or anybody.

Originally Posted by William

At the time of 9/11, getting on a domestic flight in the US was akin to hailing a cab. It was a disaster waiting to happen.

Yep, and the question we all ask is why it didn't happen sooner. I was always puzzled by the ease of travelling in the US. I guess it's no longer the case.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I was always puzzled by the ease of travelling in the US. I guess it's no longer the case.

You know how those dumb, naive, septics are - but they learn fast!

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Niteowl

If it were a debate, they would present their own evidence, facts, logic, and reasoning to prove the position that they've taken. They haven't done so, because they haven't any.

That is not true, plenty of evidence and reasoning here, it's just I don't find it convincing.
But general and personal attacks on "conspiracy nuts" are, well, just that - not debating anything either.

If there's "plenty of evidence", why hasn't anyone posted any? Just saying, "I doubt this...", or "I doubt that..." isn't evidence. As I pointed out in an earlier post, it is the argument from incredulity, a logical fallacy.

It's really very simple. A point of view is either rational, or irrational. If it's irrational, the product of a mental/personality disorder, say, or one that was arrived at under the influence of drugs or alcohol, then there's no point in a debate.

But, if it's rational, that implies that you have arrived at your conclusion through an examination of facts and evidence available to you, and applied logic and reason to form your point of view. Fine. Then, present the facts and evidence you have, and your reasoning, and let's see if they stand up to scrutiny. That's in the nature of a debate, to try to arrive at the truth of a matter.

But what I see, is a personal rant, directed at the government, disguised as a debate. At the very least, this is intellectually dishonest.

And seizing on a national tragedy, simply to draw attention to your rant, is worse than dishonest. As an American, I find it personally offensive.

^^
wel written twaddle.

show me the fuking plane.

my mind is open.

Originally Posted by RDN

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

the footage that japanese tourists took of non exisatnt planes hitting the pentagon.

You wind-up merchant! I think this thread's heading for the bin...

Originally Posted by slimboyfat

the bit i find hard to believe is that CMN really believes in the conspiracy theory.

Exactly what I was thinking earlier.

Originally Posted by stroller

...: no pics of any plane re Pentagon. ....

Brilliant Stroller. "No pictures" is your evidence - a lack of any evidence is your evidence.

What a pity you don't have pictures of something else. Oh, I forgot, Big Brother took them all away.

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

^^
wel written twaddle.

show me the fuking plane.

my mind is open.

You tell us why there should be a plane. It hit the ground, you know. Not much left.

Originally Posted by Niteowl

And seizing on a national tragedy, simply to draw attention to your rant, is worse than dishonest. As an American, I find it personally offensive.

Can I add, as a "non-American", I also find it offensive.

I do not find it offensive that people openly discuss issues, this the right to freedom of speech is what we all seek, but a complete denial that someone may actually have died...