Thread: Webster Tarpley: CIA fuels 'mob rule' in Arab world to change power

This will be an interesting thread...

Tarpley is a Marxist lunatic. He claims the 9/11 attacks were carried out by the American military/industrial complex. He has zero credibility other than with the lunatic fringe. Look him up in Wiki. Everything is anti-American and an American plot to take over the universe. He is a joke.

I'm not exactly patriotic, and despise Americas constant meddling in other countries internal matters, but Russia Today is the most silly propaganda I've seen since Fox News. It has about the same level of credibility, just in the opposite political direction. The way they twist a story to put a pro-Russia anti anyone else slant on it is often laughable.

If I only watched Russia Today and had not seen the surly miserable faced Russians here, I would think the place was one big happy party.

Sometimes Tarpley is a little "out there," but on this case....he may be onto something. What he's saying is logical. And Wikileaks was noted.

Is he a Marxist? Can you tell me where you got that info?

If he is, it won't diminish his positions with me .

^You can remove "Marxist" if you like and just leave it as "He is a lunatic". Most articles I have ever read on him refer to him as a "Marxist historian", but I will grant you that that doesn't necessarily make him a Marxist. I stick by lunatic fringe. Nobody takes this guy seriously.

I don't really think America (or its master) really want to see what's happening now, and I think it's ludicrous to say this was engineered by the CIA.

In every single piece of coverage you see of riots, you will hear "Allah o Akbar", and that means only one thing if the great unwashed take over the respective countries.

More pressure on America to (try to) force Israel to stop building settlements and pull out of the areas it occupies illegally.

And without friends in the region, there is no-one to stop these people. Jordan do a fair job of keeping a lid on it, but even there the pressure on King Abdullah is becoming intolerable.

If the whole of North Africa falls to the mussies, and it looks like it will, then Kuwait will start crapping itself; it's already tried buying off its people with a few quid and free basic foodstuffs.

Bahrain is already in the mire, with Saudi keeping a very watchful eye (and a telescopic sight or two) on proceedings.

They've had peaceful protests in Oman which haven't received much coverage, but that's very tribal and Qaboos will be sharing the wealth to try and quell any dissent.

Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Qatar are already quite generous with their people, so there isn't much scope for major problems there - yet.

Yemen of course is one that will become a problem, not least because you can bet your arse the Iranians are doing their best to fuel the takeover there, and will for sure be arming them to the teeth for their border war with Saudi Arabia.

When America pulls out of Iraq, the Iranians will basically prop up their Shi'a brothers and the carnage so far may well look like a tom and jerry cartoon in comparison to what might happen.

I'm afraid if this chap thinks the CIA engineered all this, he's off his rocker. If anything, I would imagine there's a few CIA station chiefs being transferred to important places like Guam and Iceland at the moment.

All this started because a 27-year-old Tunisian vegetable seller set fire to himself in despair at his treatment by the authorities.

As the old saying goes, "A butterfly flaps its wings..... "

Mohamed Bouazizi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5 years from now, these same people that are saying the CIA started this will be blaming the US for letting this happen and for them having to pay quadruple what they pay for gasoline now because the oil fields of Saudi and Kuwiat are nuclear wastelands and Iran has annexed Iraq.
TH.

So this is now a US Domestic Issue (???) topic but postings from Amsterdam's blog remain in the Thai news section?

TH

Originally Posted by sabang

^^ You're not such a bad lunatic historian yourself TH. Nuclear wastelands?

I hope you are right and I am a lunatic.

Originally Posted by sabang

These democracy protests are home grown, not foreign manipulated, or pan-Islamist.
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Each country is different. In Bahrain, regime change is highly unlikely- but there will propbably be an acceleration of reforms in favor of the 70% Shiite majority, which is certainly well warranted- and overdue. In Egypt, goodbye Mubarak and no loss there- whether the democracy movement will be subsumed, and a new military power structure imposed is uncertain at this point, but I am mildly optimistic the military there is serious in what it says. Nobody will miss Gaddafi except those that benefit from his cronyism & patronage- but a civil war looks quite likely, the outcome uncertain. Jordan, wouldna have a clue really. Yemen could be interesting too.

Each country is indeed different, but a lot of this seems to come down to mostly between Sunni and Shi'ite stuff with a bit of tribal rivalry, particularly in Libya and Yemen, thrown in.

I am not an idealistic western liberal such as you in thrall with idea of oppressed people throwing off the yoke of suppression, so I tend to a bit more cynical about what is really going on who stands to really benefit from it. Unless there is an ethical, charismatic leader with true management skills these events seem to rarely work out to the benefit of the people. Unless I missed something, I haven’t seen such a leader come out of the Arab world in a thousand years or so, much less in 4 or 5 countries right now.

This is going to get very, very messy and the rest of the world is going to pay a heavy price.

TH

Originally Posted by Thaihome

Unless there is an ethical, charismatic leader with true management skills these events seem to rarely work out to the benefit of the people.

King Abdullah and his father King Hussein rare exceptions, IMO. Both, in general, responsive to the people in a very difficult country to govern.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Tarpley is a Marxist lunatic. He claims the 9/11 attacks were carried out by the American military/industrial complex. He has zero credibility other than with the lunatic fringe. Look him up in Wiki. Everything is anti-American and an American plot to take over the universe. He is a joke.

So promoting critique of America equates to lunacy? Gore Vidal. Noam Chomsky. Howard Zinn. Michael Parenti. Peter Dale Scott. Edward Herman. Ralph McGehee. Scores upon scores of others. The list would be endless. Americans highly critical of American policies and culture. Yet, not fringy lunatics.

^I said Tarpley is a lunatic. I never said anything about anyone else. Get a grip.

One could extend curiosity as to the timing and convenience of 8-10 uprisings {and talk of others} that have exploded within the last month. Granted, the character of revolutionary activities have been festering for years - but some aren't buying into this natural and instinctive domino models. There is sorted manipulation somewhere amongst the mix.

^And there will always be conspiracy theorists.

These democracy protests are home grown, not foreign manipulated

Sorry, Sabang, you are wrong. Iran has been pumping the Shi'a for years, even going so far as claiming that Bahrain should be a province of Bahrain and that most Bahrainis would rather be in part of Iran (something with which many of us agree, although in a slightly different manner).

For sure they have been toing and froing to London to talk to the exiled opposition, and chattering back and forth to the mullahs here on the island.

hunger,fuel costs and unemployment
are driving events in the arab world.
Implosion is happening.
don't believe that its CIA backed.
that would be lunacy.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

One could extend curiosity as to the timing and convenience of 8-10 uprisings {and talk of others} that have exploded within the last month. Granted, the character of revolutionary activities have been festering for years - but some aren't buying into this natural and instinctive domino models. There is sorted manipulation somewhere amongst the mix.

I see this as years of resentment building up.

There was a tipping point.

An unemployed Uni grad who had a food stand was forced to shut down because he didn't have a permit. He lit himself on fire and died 10 days later.

I just think this is a tipping point.

And to a degree, a Black Swan. I am a believer in the "black swan" concept by Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

Taleb does raise interesting question with his probability distribution