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    Obamacare - Female genital mutilation is OK in America

    "Obamacare", this is how the health care reforms are referred to in America, there is now a new twist to Obamacare, apparently it OK in the US to carry out female genital mutilation and the Doctors in America will perform the cruelest cut of all
    NEW YORK, May 5 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- International human rights organization Equality Now is stunned by a new policy statement issued by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), which essentially promotes female genital mutilation (FGM) and advocates for "federal and state laws [to] enable pediatricians to reach out to families by offering a 'ritual nick'," such as pricking or minor incisions of girls' clitorises. The Policy Statement "Ritual Genital Cutting of Female Minors", issued by the AAP on April 26, 2010, is a significant set-back to the Academy's own prior statements on the issue of FGM and is antithetical to decades of noteworthy advancement across Africa and around the world in combating this human rights violation against women and girls. It is ironic that the AAP issued its statement the very same day that Congressman Joseph Crowley (D-NY) and Congresswoman Mary Bono Mack (R-CA) announced the introduction of new bipartisan legislation, The Girls Protection Act (H.R. 5137), to close the loophole in the federal law prohibiting FGM by making it illegal to transport a minor girl living in the U.S. out of the country for the purpose of FGM. FGM is a harmful traditional practice that involves the partial or total removal of the female genitalia and is carried out across Africa, some countries in Asia and the Middle East, and by immigrants of practicing communities living around the world, including in Europe and the U.S. It is estimated that up to 140 million women and girls around the world are affected by FGM. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services estimated in 1997 that over 168,000 girls and women living in the U.S. have either been, or are at risk of being, subjected to FGM.
    This is pure appeasement, the vast majority of people who practice FGM are from the Islamic world, many people still argue that the mutilation of young girls in the Islamic World is a "cultural thing", and as such they should be allowed to practice this barbarism, under the blanket of multiculturalism and respecting other cultures practices and beliefs.

    This act by the American Academy of Paediatrics merely ligitimises the act of FGM, and takes America further down the road of surrendering to Islam.

    What comes next - legalization of honour killing - why not, if America allows the butchering of young girls how can it object to them being killed by their families.

    The "nick" as it is referred to in the article will do nothing to stop the practice of FGM in the Muslim communities in the USA, all that will happen is the families will have the girl mutilated again in some back street butchers shop

    Taina Bien-Aime, Equality Now's Executive Director explains, "Encouraging pediatricians to perform FGM under the notion of 'cultural sensitivity' shows a shocking lack of understanding of a girl's fundamental right to bodily integrity and equality.

    I notice with interest that CAIR have not made any comment on this development, and to the best of my knowledge neither has Obama or any of his administration - well we must not offend his cultural roots must we.

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    I guess the Muslim groups and their supporters will argue that this latest revelation is just dandy, since it furthers religious and cultural equality by allowing all women to have their genitalia mutilated, not just Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    advocates for "federal and state laws [to] enable pediatricians to reach out to families by offering a 'ritual nick'," such as pricking or minor incisions of girls' clitorises.
    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed
    What comes next - legalization of honour killing - why not, if America allows the butchering of young girls how can it object to them being killed by their families.
    Classic hyperbole.

    My own view is that any form of genital mutilation should only be allowed after the individual is of an age to give informed consent- and if they still want their glans snipped off, their clit shaved or their labia pierced for decoration, fine thats their call. But that would have the Moslems and Hebrews up in arms. And seeing as it comes under religious practise, not much can be done to stop it.

    As such, the medical profession should probably be doing exactly per the article above- allowing the benign form or forms of female circumcision, but absolutely banning the barbaric practise of FGM, which as I understand it mainly exists in the horn of Africa.

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    Many Muslims see passages in the Qur'an which, by implication, oppose FGM. they reason:

    God apparently created the clitoris for the sole purpose of generating pleasure. It has no other purpose. There is no instruction in the Qur'an or in the writings of the Prophet Mohammed which require that the clitoris be surgically modified. Thus God must approve of its presence. And so, it should not be removed or reduced in size or function. The Qur'an promotes the concept of a husband and wife giving each other pleasure during sexual intercourse. For example: "It is lawful for you to go in unto your wives during the night preceding the (day's) fast: they are as a garment for you and you are as a garment for them." (2:187) "...and He has put love and mercy between you." (30:21)
    Mutilated genitalia reduce or eliminate a woman's pleasure during the act.
    The Qur'an (An-Nisa': 119) states that Satan will try to trick humans into body modification: "And I will surely lead them astray, and arouse desires in them, and command them and they will cut the cattle's ears, and I will surely command them and they will change Allah's creation." This might be interpreted as forbidding FGM as well as tattoos, piercing and any other modification that alters the design of the human body as Allah created it. Nawal El-Saadawi, a Muslim victim of infibulation, stated:
    "The importance given to virginity and an intact hymen in these societies is the reason why female circumcision still remains a very widespread practice despite a growing tendency, especially in urban Egypt, to do away with it as something outdated and harmful. Behind circumcision lies the belief that, by removing parts of girls' external genitals organs, sexual desire is minimized. This permits a female who has reached the dangerous age of puberty and adolescence to protect her virginity, and therefore her honor, with greater ease. Chastity was imposed on male attendants in the female harem by castration which turned them into inoffensive eunuchs. Similarly female circumcision is meant to preserve the chastity of young girls by reducing their desire for sexual intercourse.


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    "Those who advocate for FGM from an Islamic perspective commonly quote the following hadith to argue that it is required as part of the Sunnah or Tradition of the Prophet:
    'Um Atiyyat al-Ansariyyah said: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut too severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband'."

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed View Post
    Many Muslims see passages in the Qur'an which, by implication, oppose FGM. they reason:

    God apparently created the clitoris for the sole purpose of generating pleasure. It has no other purpose. There is no instruction in the Qur'an or in the writings of the Prophet Mohammed which require that the clitoris be surgically modified. Thus God must approve of its presence. And so, it should not be removed or reduced in size or function. The Qur'an promotes the concept of a husband and wife giving each other pleasure during sexual intercourse. For example: "It is lawful for you to go in unto your wives during the night preceding the (day's) fast: they are as a garment for you and you are as a garment for them." (2:187) "...and He has put love and mercy between you." (30:21)
    Mutilated genitalia reduce or eliminate a woman's pleasure during the act.
    The Qur'an (An-Nisa': 119) states that Satan will try to trick humans into body modification: "And I will surely lead them astray, and arouse desires in them, and command them and they will cut the cattle's ears, and I will surely command them and they will change Allah's creation." This might be interpreted as forbidding FGM as well as tattoos, piercing and any other modification that alters the design of the human body as Allah created it. Nawal El-Saadawi, a Muslim victim of infibulation, stated:
    "The importance given to virginity and an intact hymen in these societies is the reason why female circumcision still remains a very widespread practice despite a growing tendency, especially in urban Egypt, to do away with it as something outdated and harmful. Behind circumcision lies the belief that, by removing parts of girls' external genitals organs, sexual desire is minimized. This permits a female who has reached the dangerous age of puberty and adolescence to protect her virginity, and therefore her honor, with greater ease. Chastity was imposed on male attendants in the female harem by castration which turned them into inoffensive eunuchs. Similarly female circumcision is meant to preserve the chastity of young girls by reducing their desire for sexual intercourse.
    Muslims do not like to be reminded that the practice of their religion directly contradicts the word of their god. In fact they hate it, and as we know the best defence of the indefensible is to block your ears and shout naa naa naah! Epect them to do just that.

    Muslim males are awesome in packs, almost as awesome as Thai males, but genetically cowards and frightened of their women. So frightened, in fact, that they need to beat them and hide them in garbage bags to cover the bruises, and use intimidation and mutilation to degrade and suppress them. This is why Islamic scholars bend all possible interpretations of their holy texts against the woman, to humiliate and repress them.

    FGM is strongly agreeable to the man. Since Muslim males cannot satisfy their women (boys and goats don't count) and are in any case selfish, they fear that their women may seek sexual gratification elsewhere. It is therefore incumbent upon them to demote sex to a low priority for their women, and preferably before she is old enough to experience a sexual orgasm, which obviously is dangerous for the man. So, clit chipping is one way to limit their libido, while mental, emotional and legal bondage is achieved through the Islamic law of Sharia, for which the female adulterer will be stoned to death.

    Note that while moderates claim with a straight face that Islam respects women, they will never, but never defend that stand. If you pursue the line, they will call you a bigoted Islamophobe before they scurry away. You will never get one of these straight faced liars to tell you that under Sharia a man may not be convicted for adultery. The reason for this, is that the woman he is with may be his wife. While Sharia allows the Muslim male 4 legal wives, it also allows him an unlimited number of wives under the Islamic indulgences of polygamy and 'temporary' marriage. In other words, the man may have any number of legal 'wives' at any one time.

    Don't you go through life believing that the Muslim scholars are idiots; they have it down to a T.

    Proof in the pudding: You've highlighted that Allah is imperfect for giving the woman a useless clit; it must be useless, since otherwise Allah becomes complicit in giving her the means for heightened sexual gratification, which Muslims do not countenance. It also seems that Muslims spit in the face of Allah by willfully breaking his law that protects the body (beyond torture, beating, slavery, amputation etc). Try asking one of our brighter Muslims to explain this glaring discrepancy. I'd recomment scarey, he knows quite a bit about his religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed View Post
    "Those who advocate for FGM from an Islamic perspective commonly quote the following hadith to argue that it is required as part of the Sunnah or Tradition of the Prophet:
    'Um Atiyyat al-Ansariyyah said: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut too severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband'."
    Is virginity restoration/hymen reconstruction still available on the NHS? I think Obamacare should sneak it in, since this could save countless sluts that deserve to be honour killed for Allah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post

    My own view is that any form of genital mutilation should only be allowed after the individual is of an age to give informed consent- and if they still want their glans snipped off, their clit shaved or their labia pierced for decoration, fine thats their call. But that would have the Moslems and Hebrews up in arms.
    What do Hebrews have to do with this? Oh, you're referring to circumcision? That's a lousy comparison, SB. You got a screw loose these days?

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    ''Originally Posted by FarangRed
    Many Muslims see passages in the Qur'an which, by implication, oppose FGM. they reason:

    God apparently created the clitoris for the sole purpose of generating pleasure. It has no other purpose.''

    even then perhaps its not true , the cliroris ,enables organsm and
    theories suggest that female orgasm somehow helps to draw sperm up through the cervix and uterus, via ripples ,thus aiding fertilization and reproduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    That's a lousy comparison, SB.
    It is an exceedingly good and apt comparison for several reasons, chief among them this is a practise quite ingrained in our culture- yes, it is part of Jewish tradition, but the vast majority of babies getting snipped this month in the West will not be Hebrew. So when you raise it as an 'issue' or comparison, defensiveness comes to the fore- and guess what, this is exactly the same with cultures that practise female circumcision. Thankfully though, there is no male equivalent of the barbaric practise of infibulation, centred on the horn of Africa- whilst it is a small minority of FGM that is performed, it has no saving grace whatsoever. I'm all for stamping that out- but it's not exactly worth sending an army into the Ethiopian desert to do this. What we can do is absolutely ban it in the West, and publicise it in the hope that it will die out over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    That's a lousy comparison, SB.
    It is an exceedingly good and apt comparison
    Load of crock, SB. Female cutting is done solely to deprive the woman of sexual satisfaction.
    Male circumcision? Pfft. Should just cut men's balls off. That would cut the rape rate.

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    ^ I suppose it is not worth pointing out that your whole outlook is plagued by ethnocentrism, a total lack of objectivity, an inability to think outside the square and question/compare cultural norms and assumptions, and the result is a one eyed cultural chauvinism. I suppose it is not worth pointing out that these cultural assumptions and prejudices you share with those you so loudly decry, your 'Enemies', being extremists on the opposing side, or ideology.

    So I will just express relief that you are not, and will never be, accepted as any form of moral arbiter.

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    ^ WTF are you on about?

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    Simple analogy, which even if you don't understand others will. What if the western world practised female circumcision, the Muslim world male circumcision?

    Would you still be saying that female circumcision is an atrocity, whereas male circumcision is benign and health giving?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Simple analogy, which even if you don't understand others will...
    Which others? Will anyone respond to that nonsense in a way that promotes understanding? Let's wait and see!

    What you really mean is it makes sense to you, and then use your trademark 'name dropping' as some form of perverted justification for the most outrageous remarks.


    What if the western world practised female circumcision, the Muslim world male circumcision?

    Would you still be saying that female circumcision is an atrocity, whereas male circumcision is benign and health giving?
    What if...? Ok then, what if a religion or ideology or cult sanctioned the hacking of kiddie clits? - would you unconditionally condemn it?

    No I thought not, your diversions lead straight into the cesspit, as usual!

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    The plural of clitoris is clitori, the collective noun is a "snatch" of clitori.

    You learn something every day I always wondered were that word came from Snatch

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Simple analogy, which even if you don't understand others will. What if the western world practised female circumcision, the Muslim world male circumcision?

    Would you still be saying that female circumcision is an atrocity, whereas male circumcision is benign and health giving?
    Erm, most male mozzies do get circumsised. As I noted, the reason for female circumcision is simply to rob females of sexual satisfaction. Obviously, from your comments, you approve of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Simple analogy, which even if you don't understand others will. What if the western world practised female circumcision, the Muslim world male circumcision?

    Would you still be saying that female circumcision is an atrocity, whereas male circumcision is benign and health giving?

    Big difference is man do not experience any reduction in sensation whereas this custom directed at females, does.

    I agree, all babies should be adults before they have the procedure.
    A western social more accepted just as certain extreme factions of Islam accept whole clitoral circumcision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FarangRed View Post
    The plural of clitoris is clitori, the collective noun is a "snatch" of clitori.

    You learn something every day I always wondered were that word came from Snatch
    Asian female genitalia, collectively known as a " Clutch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by keda
    Which others?
    People that have the ability to think objectively. That was a very simple question to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Erm, most male mozzies do get circumsised.
    I believe so.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripley
    Big difference is man do not experience any reduction in sensation
    Utterly and totally wrong. Roughly two thirds of the sensation from the glans penis is lost after circumcision- now maybe thats a good thing, I don't know, but it does not change the fact. Friction.

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    If they're allowed to fok with natures creation ,,then maybe it's only a matter of time before they start interfering with other parts of the body.
    These are very dangerous people.
    And responsible goverments should put a stop sign up.
    Mostly they(mossies) are totally crazy, fronted by so called respectability. Yuk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Erm, most male mozzies do get circumsised.
    I believe so.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripley
    Big difference is man do not experience any reduction in sensation
    Utterly and totally wrong. Roughly two thirds of the sensation from the glans penis is lost after circumcision- now maybe thats a good thing, I don't know, but it does not change the fact. Friction.
    That may be but, does it preclude erection and orgasm? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Roughly two thirds of the sensation from the glans penis is lost after circumcision- now maybe thats a good thing, I don't know, but it does not change the fact. Friction.
    Really? How do you know? You got a bunch of test samples to prove that? You'd think sensation would be improved once the hood was gone. Else, why would the mozzies do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid View Post
    If they're allowed to fok with natures creation
    That's abortion. Killing a child in the womb. Oh, right, it's the woman's body and she isn't hurting anyone. Except taking a child's right to life of course. In this day and age, any Western woman who does not practice safe sex is brain-dead, unless she wants to get pregnant. Not only for guarding against unwanted pregnancy, guarding against STDs. Yuk; HIV/AIDS, VD, warts, cervical cancer, and so many other smelly diseases.

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