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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Kinda quiet here from the 'usual suspects', eh?
    They are pooing their diapers as they watch what is unfolding and how badly obama has handled everything. Check out thinkprogress.org...a new site to collect the dem haters and welfare sucks.
    One in six Americans on some kind of social assistance, Boonie! Look at the debt and deficit, consumer confidence, GDP, GOVT SPENDING.
    Many dems and even more independents are realising how they got took -- hook, line and sinker. There is no base for them to fight from. Note how some folks here are back-pedalling and saying they never really liked obama...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Kinda quiet here from the 'usual suspects', eh?
    Don't cha wanna show us the Fly Over, Glen Beck and his followers received?

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    Beck's a Mormon, good to know. A sect member.

    That's why I wrote a while ago there aren't any (I should have said many) proper conservatives in the US anymore, they're all religious nuts or rednecks or borderline loonies or KKK or fucking bad nazi imitators.

    A pity really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    Don't cha wanna show us the Fly Over, Glen Beck and his followers received?
    The AP helicopters doing the crowd count or the flock of geese? I have both.

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    More interviews at the Glenn Beck rally. These people seem to get upset when you ask them questions to explain their positions. And when they give an answer, they are absolutely (Fox) clueless.



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    ^ I didn't think so. They are polite, everyday folks who might not have the specifics on every issue, but not too bad. Definitely not any worse than liberals in a throng. Remember the poll of folks coming out of the polling station in 2008? Obama voters who knew nada about any leaders, only that Palin spent a bunch of money on clothes. Got one of interviews with Sharpton's marchers?
    You should be careful about posting stuff like this, because there is always crap to shovel from the liberal side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    They are polite, everyday folks who
    ...are scared and uncertain. Reacting to current trends and events by retreating into the cocoon of an old time middle America that in reality never really existed outside of a few Hollywood sitcoms. Typically, lashing out and blaming the government of the day when faced with economic hardship and uncertainty. Of course being manipulated in the usual ways for political purposes, to bring back into power the same Interest group- with apparently the same policies- that got them into this financial and psychological mess in the first place. All very weird, yet surprisingly common.

    As I've pointed out, the largest individual funders of the Tea Party and some of their more loonie offshoots are ultra-wealthy Libertarians. Swift boat, Obama muzzie/ birther nonsese, the Tea Party, the Clinton/ Vincent Foster conspiracy theories- All of these things were quietly funded by them. What they want is absolutely not what the vast majority of the Teabaggers want. Why do people allow themselves to be manipulated so easily? I suppose it comes down to fear.

    I really do think that the larger the group, the lower the collective IQ. It's rooted in our genetics, based on a time when we were tribal hunter/gatherers. Groupthink replaces free thinking, slogans, propaganda and stereotype replace analysis. All too often passions are inflamed by cynical diversion tactics that have nothing to so with the Issue's at hand- such as a certain controversy over a community centre in lower Manhattan. The people fuelling this are either blinded by their own bigotry, or are phonies who are willing to damage the interests of their own country in many ways just to win a few votes for their own team- which in the case of the cynical manipulators (definitely not the Grunts) means their own perceived self interest. This is the opposite of Patriotism. Beware of messages that come to you wrapped in a Flag- they are the true Trojan horses. Too many Americans are particularly prone to being suckered by this recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    They are polite, everyday folks who
    ...are scared and uncertain.
    Man, you keep spouting the lamestream press rants. These people are angry.

    Sure, most middle class Conservative folks are not rocket scientists who went to uni on affirmative action scholarships, and I think most welfare cases and high-school dropouts who are union members are lefties, as dictated by their union thug leaders.
    Please post your sources for Tea Party funding. Most of it, as I know, is grassroots, you know, like obama's has been, outside of the millions sent by the unions, Soros and other lefty groups.
    You love to belittle middle class Conservative folks who own small biz, like bakers, restaurateurs, lumbermen, etc, the backbone of America, who create jobs, lead good lives, are kind and charitable, and don't pontificate and live in ivory towers. We have many erudite folks on the Conservative side, too, but you just refuse to see them. You keep living in your little bubble world, SB. obama may have lofty degrees up the yinyang; his problem is that he cannot deal with the real world and he is an abysmal failure at leading the nation. He's feked the economy, he's feked foreign relations and US strength over enemies, he's feked employment and small biz, he's feked the deficit and the debt and can't even get a budget in place for the year. Nobody with a brain trusts or believes him anymore. He's real smart, huh? I bet every Tea Party supporter at least knows how to balance their cheque books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    These people are angry.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    These people are angry.
    Yes- it is a predictable function of being scared and uncertain.
    Angry people are easily manipulated, which is why cynical elements- via religious, political, ethnic or nationalistic jingoism- try to stoke this. Anger itself is unfocused.
    Peoples 'Hot buttons' are depressingly familiar when it comes to focusing anger and fear- the same as they always were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    You love to belittle middle class Conservative folks
    Nonsense- for a start, I am a middle class conservative person myself.
    Neither do I hate America, hate Christianity, love Islam, hate the West, support Terrorism and all this other ridculous trash that is thrown around.

    As I have pointed out, I am a graduate of an elite national military academy- an ex naval officer. I also paid for my own MBA, with no student loans or subsidies. I do not live on social welfare, in fact I have been on the dole for precisely six weeks of my whole life. I have paid a whole lot of Tax over the years, but received little of that back by way of medical or social security benefits- and I don't care. I retired early- but am totally self funded. Not one government in the world pays me a dime, and I am pleased about that. Before retiring, I bought my Grandparents house for them (and ended up making good money on it, half of which I gave to their children- who include my Mother), and subsidised the purchase of my parents and brothers house. And I was born in a Council estate- or Project, if you prefer.

    Yep, just another Libbie breastfeeding off the welfare state. Can we at least try to hold ourselves to a higher standard in Issue's? Such Falsehoods from yourself and others only damage your credibility.

    To call a spade a spade Jet, I am from that segment of society that traditionally would have formed a strong support base for the Republican Party, or equivalent elsewhere. I didn't change- They did.
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    I know many military officers who never saw combat. What a nice story about your past. Hope you didn't sell the house when your child granma was still in it.
    Spew as you will, sb. We all know you backed the wrong US party and are now angry about it, hate Conservatives and anything to do with the war effort, and pretend to know everything about the US. Why not start an OZ thread and give us some views about your peaceful govt and totally non-racist, wonderful people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Hope you didn't sell the house when your child granma was still in it.
    No, I raped and murdered her first. What a Daft statement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    We all know you backed the wrong US party and are now angry about it,
    Wroong, I backed the right party- which is not to say I agree with all their policies either. If or when the GOP becomes conservative again, faces up to their mistakes, and actually produce some meaningful policies, that might change. But until such time-
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    I didn't change- They did.
    Oh, forgot to throw it in to the pot above, but remember I was vice chair of the conservative National Party in Sydney too. Some libbie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I was vice chair of the conservative National Party in Sydney too. Some libbie.
    I read about them: get rid of the queen and become a socialist republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Kinda quiet here from the 'usual suspects', eh?
    They are pooing their diapers as they watch what is unfolding and how badly obama has handled everything. Check out thinkprogress.org...a new site to collect the dem haters and welfare sucks.
    One in six Americans on some kind of social assistance, Boonie! Look at the debt and deficit, consumer confidence, GDP, GOVT SPENDING.
    Many dems and even more independents are realising how they got took -- hook, line and sinker. There is no base for them to fight from. Note how some folks here are back-pedalling and saying they never really liked obama...

    Yes, Obama is having a tough time.....

    But who made this mess Jet?

    You know who....and the fact that you try to shift the blame tells me all I or anyone else needs to know about the right wing mindset.....

    "Polite everyday folks" indeed....
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    I know many military officers who never saw combat. What a nice story about your past. Hope you didn't sell the house when your child granma was still in it.
    Spew as you will, sb. We all know you backed the wrong US party and are now angry about it, hate Conservatives and anything to do with the war effort, and pretend to know everything about the US. Why not start an OZ thread and give us some views about your peaceful govt and totally non-racist, wonderful people.
    There's a right party in the US?

    You're a republican, so I wouldn't start getting all big headed about it. You back the party which produced the worst administration in US history. Well done.....

    The main problem with the US is that it is essentially a 2 party system. That's not real democracy, you choose what you deem to be the least awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    double heh...

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    ED SCHULTZ ACKNOWLEDGES THAT GLENN BECK GATHERED MORE THAN 300,000 PEOPLE!

    Just awesome in a population of how many people...?

    Way to go!

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    Mental Disorders in America

    Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.1 When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.2 Even though mental disorders are widespread in the population, the main burden of illness is concentrated in a much smaller proportion — about 6 percent, or 1 in 17 — who suffer from a serious mental illness.1 In addition, mental disorders are the leading cause of disability in the U.S. and Canada.3 Many people suffer from more than one mental disorder at a given time. Nearly half (45 percent) of those with any mental disorder meet criteria for 2 or more disorders, with severity strongly related to comorbidity.1
    In the U.S., mental disorders are diagnosed based on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM-IV).4

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    The main problem with the US is that it is essentially a 2 party system.
    Good point. Pretty much the same in UK and Australia these days. During campaigns the two parties go to great rhetorical lengths to differentiate themselves from the other party. Even the most cursory look at their platforms and certainly their conduct after elected show there really are no difference on issues most important to the nation.
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    ^ A pity the Tea Party is messing it up a bit. The dems love it.

    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Yes, Obama is having a tough time.....

    But who made this mess Jet?

    You know who....and the fact that you try to shift the blame tells me all I or anyone else needs to know about the right wing mindset.....

    "Polite everyday folks" indeed....
    555555 People are realising it wasn't so bad under Bush. And as I noted before, when did crap start hitting the fan? The last year Bush was in office when both houses were DEMOCRAT. I also believe that when biz knew it was gonna be a full house with obama in the WH, they pulled up stakes and money, coz they knew what was coming. Hope and change...hope by the losers for more govt freebies and chump change for biz via dem policies, regs and total incompetence in everything but SPENDING the PEOPLE's money.

    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    There's a right party in the US?

    You're a republican, so I wouldn't start getting all big headed about it. You back the party which produced the worst administration in US history. Well done.....
    Beg to differ: I'd name Woodrow, Carter and soon, obama. No, I wouldn't say right party; better to pick the right leader. Bush kept the country safe (no terrorists attacks after 9/11, which was Clinton's fault, until obama, who can't even say muslim terrorist), avg unemployment of about 5%, strong foreign policy, and a good biz climate, besides being a prez who loved his country, not the enemies of it. Look at it now. Everything is a fekin mess.

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    Due to the election system, it's not proportional, it's winner- takes- all in each voting district.

    Has it's advantages and disadvantages.

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