Thread: spill, baby, spill

Itis simply time to change the way the world exists. The current model is not sustainable.
Yes jobs will be lost- and plenty more can be created. What is important is to have respect for the earth, cause when we start shitting repeatedly on it, it gets to a point where we, where nothing can exist on it anymore and that point may already be here..
Have we gone too far in green house gases? Have we fractured one of the planets biggest oil reserves and it will now pollute the entire ocean?
All this is for profit, all this consumption is for profit for a relative few and that must change.

I agree, The entire political system is filthy and I see very little difference between Democrats and Republicans , both are out for themselves and quite good at making it seem they are at odds.

What passes for a liberal in the US today is almost as terrifying as what passes for a conservative.

Originally Posted by dotcom

While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years......

Obama biggest recipient of BP cash - Erika Lovley - POLITICO.com

Every once in a while Joe Biden pulls his foot out of his mouth and says something moving and eloquent.

His response to Barton is one of those times:

^ True. Dunno about the fund, Booner. I agreed with Barton as I see the pres ordering a private company to create a fund like that as akin to something Venezuela would do. Not good for attracting biz to the US. As for the payouts...I don't trust the guy put in charge; he just seems sleazy to me. He said folks would just have to show some kind of proof they deserve the money. And even restaurants in other states, for example, could demand payment because they only serve LA shrimp. It could go ballistic. What if BP pulls out of the US or goes bankrupt? Then what?
As for tar and feathering Hayward, what about tar and feathering obama and biden for playing golf on Sat and then bamboy having Wolfgang Puck making dinner for a shindig at the WH on Sunday?
Yes, Michelle should show her support by going to the Gulf States. By choosing to go to CA, she shows the people she don't care either.

Originally Posted by slackula

they just aren't worth it.

Miss your posts in Issues (welcome back by the way),….don’t stoop to their level.

BP Tells Cleanup Workers They'll Be Fired If They Wear Respirators


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As I noted on May 19th, BP has been telling cleanup workers that they don't need to wear respirators or other protective gear.

As Jerrold Nadler, the New York congressman whose district includes the World Trade Center, said today:

We're repeating the same catastrophe in the Gulf. You see pictures of people wearing regular clothes who are wading in and scooping oil off the water. Hundreds, maybe thousands of people, are going to get sick unnecessarily.

More egregious still, sources on the ground say that BP is telling cleanup workers that they will be fired if they wear respirators:



Why?

Because - as part of their PR campaign - BP is doing everything it can to prevent dramatic pictures or headlines regarding the oil spill.

For example, BP has been that BP is "running the Gulf region like a prison warden".




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I know the lefties will scream about the payments made to date, but I also wonder how many illegitimate demands have/will be made. I am still ticked that obama wants BP to pay workers out of a job because of his asinine moratorium.

Latest news:

LONDON (Dow Jones)--BP PLC (BP) shares fell as much as 4.2% Monday morning amid continuing uncertainty about the long-term financial and environmental damages from the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.
At 0733 GMT, BP's shares were down 12 pence, or 3.2%, at 346 pence, making it the worst-performing company in the FTSE100 index.
BP Monday morning said costs for the Gulf spill response had reached $2 billion as it continues work to contain the leak and to pay claims for damages.
To date, more than 65,000 claims have been submitted and more than 32,000 payments made, totaling about $105 million, BP said.
"It is too early to quantify other potential costs and liabilities associated with the incident," the company said in a statement.
BP last week struck a deal with the White House to set up a $20 billion claims fund over 3 1/2 years. The agreement initially bouyed the company's shares, though investors are now weighing new information on the size of the spill and potential costs to respond.
U.S. Representative Ed Markey (D., Mass.) said Sunday that BP's worst-case scenario for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill estimated a potential leak of 100,000 barrels of oil a day. The well is now estimated to be leaking between 35,000 and 60,000 barrels of oil a day into the Gulf's waters.
And press reports over the weekend indicated that BP plans to raise about $50 billion to cover the cost of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.



UPDATE: BP Says Gulf Oil Spill Response Costs Up To $2 Billion - WSJ.com

How's this news:

President Obama has a solution to the Gulf oil spill: $7-a-gallon gas.
That's a Harvard University study's estimate of the per-gallon price of the president's global-warming agenda. And Obama made clear this week that this agenda is a part of his plan for addressing the Gulf mess.
So what does global-warming legislation have to do with the oil spill?
Good question, because such measures wouldn't do a thing to clean up the oil or fix the problems that led to the leak.
The answer can be found in Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel's now-famous words, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste -- and what I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before."



Read more: $7-a-gallon gas? - NYPOST.com

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I know the lefties will scream about the payments made to date, but I also wonder how many illegitimate demands have/will be made. I am still ticked that obama wants BP to pay workers out of a job because of his asinine moratorium.

Where are you going with this?

Us "lefties" aren't screaming about anything regarding any payments made; we think it is good that Obama negotiated the 20 Bil interim fund to compensate those affected by the spill. Would you rather the tax payers were footing this bill?

^ So, it wasn't a Harvard Uni research paper this was referring to?

Originally Posted by dotcom

My source is a Florida Congressman who asked bambam where all the skimmers are & bambam told him they are being held in reserve in case of an oil spill.

And you are going to provide a link to this source at some point right?




/because otherwise it's just more of the same unsubstantiated bullshit

^ Russia blew up four as I know.

Dumbest idea we have ever heard of.

Nuke Gaza not oil wells.

Bill Clinton should stick to gettin hummers from interns.

That ststus report last night by Thad Allen was simply stunning.

We are discussing & setting up working groups to study getting skimmers.

The State Dept is working on approvals for foreign ships, offered by foreign governments.

This is where a president, if we had a president, would clear the decks & "make it happen"

Instead we have this sad sack union organizer who can't organize jack shit.

I've lost count. What is this, Day 70-something and he's just now checking the 70 or so countries who offered help. That shoulda happened on day one. But no, and now he's busy doing immigration reform. The guy can't stick to anything.

^ JG

Still trying to blame a 18 month old presidency on this ?

More likely it was Cheney's energy task force that set up the new rollover rover guidelines as I posted earlier - the energy task force wrote and lobbied on through a Congress


Here's MSM press actually questioning the official line . s

Five Unanswered Questions About the Gulf Spill - Newsweek


Gerald Herbert / AP (left); Chris Graythen / Getty Images
The Deepwater Horizon rig in April (left) immediately after the explosion that caused the spill, and July (right) once the well was capped.
Over 100 days since the Deepwater Horizon met its fiery demise, setting off what has become the largest oil spill in U.S. history, things are finally looking up. The well has been sealed with a cap for more than two weeks.



Final preparations are being made for a static kill of the well, which will fill the bore from the top with mud and cement and will be followed by a "bottom kill" of the well with mud and cement pumped in through the relief well.



Even the globs of oil on the gulf's surface are beginning to dissipate.



[ NOTE this ref. Much oil is still in the water contrary to NY Times article ]





Yet there is still much to be done and a number of questions that remain to be answered.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ So, it wasn't a Harvard Uni research paper this was referring to?

If it was "news" , then why didn't you post it in news ?

Here's some opinion that I agree with...

BP, with the WH blessing and cooperation of Fed and local government is gagging scientists, covering up the extent of damage and lying about dispersant safety.


Think Progress


In an explosive first-hand account, ecosystem biologist Linda Hooper-Bui describes how Obama administration and BP lawyers are making independent scientific analysis of the Gulf region an impossibility. Hooper-Bui has found that only scientists who are part of the Natural Resource Damage Assessment (NRDA) process to determine BP’s civil liability get full access to contaminated sites and research data. Pete Tuttle, USFWS environmental contaminant specialist and Department of Interior NRDA coordinator, admitted to The Scientist that “researchers wishing to formally participate in NRDA must sign a contract that includes a confidentiality agreement” that “prevents signees from releasing information from studies and findings until authorized by the Department of Justice at some later and unspecified date.” Hooper-Bui writes:

It’s not hazardous conditions associated with oil and dispersants that are hampering our scientific efforts. Rather, it’s the confidentiality agreements that come with signing up to work on large research projects shepherded by government entities and BP and the limited access to coastal areas if you’re not part of those projects that are stifling the public dissemination of data detailing the environmental impact of the catastrophe.

Hooper-Bui’s depictions of samples confiscated by US Fish and Wildlife officials and expeditions blocked by local law enforcement is consistent with the steady stream of reports about obstruction, censorship, and confusion under BP’s private army of contractors. A full and open scientific assessment of the effects of the BP disaster is crucial for the health of the ecosystem and the residents of this American jewel.

Could that not be because the US justice department don't want independent surveys to screw up liability negotiations with BP, they do not want BP to have all their assessments served on a silver platter beforehand. ??

Likewise BP's reasons are obvious, they do not want to aid in dumping them any deeper in the shit than they already are.

In a perfect beautiful world, maybe.
In a royal cluster f*ck of this magnitude..needs all the sunshine and agitation that can be mustered.