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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Where re do you see pre-existing condition coverage won't be covered with the proposed bill.
    Prior to ACA it was legal to deny insurance; under Graham-Cassidy, people with pre-existing conditions will be protected by law but insurance companies won't be capped on how much they can charge people with high risk conditions.....alotta folkswill be priced out of coverage. Moot point anyway as the bill won't be passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    The insurance companies are now now begging for more subsidies what would those subsidies be if a cap were put on premiums,or would they just drop out of the exchanges as some are already doing?
    Can you actually imagine them saying "Oh, we're making way too much money, let's give some back"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Can you actually imagine them saying "Oh, we're making way too much money, let's give some back"?

    Not it the point I was making,if a cap were put on premiums don't you think the cost to the tax payer, in more money for subsidys,would increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Not it the point I was making,if a cap were put on premiums don't you think the cost to the tax payer, in more money for subsidys,would increase.
    Do I think the insurers would find a way to make billions in profit out of something that should be a basic human right? Yes.

    Do I think they should be able to?

    No.

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    ...^nobody in meth-addled Appalachia cares...they just know it's "socialism"...and Jebus is agin it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    or he saw how useless and f###ed the bill was.....just sayin...i know he stepped on yer feelz and all that
    Yeah trust me McCain tries to make himself look good but he has no interest at all in this bill. However he's voting its not because he found Jesus. I don't agree with Slick though that its a vendetta against Trump, I think he is actually a trojan hero (as opposed to scapegoat) who comes out and magically saves the GOP from its own base. Let's face it, the GOP knows this bill is toxic puke. Are they really just gonna let it pass and set themselves up as lambs to the slaughter when tens of millions of people find themselves priced or locked out of the system?

    McCain is in front of this as some kind of media hero for a reason, and he's voting the way he is for a reason. And that reason is always political, because that's who McCain is. That's his history.

    He's there to be a scapegoat and hero, all at the same time. Its quite the little turn of hand. He's saving the GOP from itself, and to think he isn't actually voting in his party's best interest.....oh he most certainly is. Who could honestly deny that passing this bill isn't a complete disaster? If you think the GOP doesn't know this, you're kidding yourself.

    Their ideas may be crazy but they are always, always thinking about the next election. This whole thing is just a circus show. They know how to win and they believe this appeal to their base combined with a, "well if it weren't for those rebel independents we could have pulled this off for you", to their retarded base is gonna do the trick next go around. Meanwhile the electorate is stuck with the crap it has now (which actually somehow manages to seem a million times better than whatever this puke the GOP is pushing does, really quite the feat).

    My prediction: The bill loses by one vote and this whole tiff is long forgotten and the next shiny object is there a-danglin' come November 2018. With many objects in between. Because that's what the GOP is now, a party that dangles crap in front of you and doesn't actually even pretend to give a shit about anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze View Post
    Yeah trust me McCain tries to make himself look good but he has no interest at all in this bill. However he's voting its not because he found Jesus. I don't agree with Slick though that its a vendetta against Trump, I think he is actually a trojan hero (as opposed to scapegoat) who comes out and magically saves the GOP from its own base. Let's face it, the GOP knows this bill is toxic puke. Are they really just gonna let it pass and set themselves up as lambs to the slaughter when tens of millions of people find themselves priced or locked out of the system?
    If that were the case, why are by far the majority of them voting for it?

    Because they're more concerned about what's in the trough than what's outside, that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Do I think the insurers would find a way to make billions in profit out of something that should be a basic human right? Yes.

    Do I think they should be able to?

    No.

    Your still dodging the point of the question. I agree making the kind of money insurance companies make from something as basic as healthcare is ludicrous but the fact is they will continue to make their huge profits and there is no doubt if raising premiums are capped they will demand more tax payer money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Your still dodging the point of the question. I agree making the kind of money insurance companies make from something as basic as healthcare is ludicrous but the fact is they will continue to make their huge profits and there is no doubt if raising premiums are capped they will demand more tax payer money.
    The problem is that it's not just the insurers. Every fucker's got their snout in the trough.

    This is from 2012:

    “For example, a hospital stay costs an average of $1,825 in Spain, $5,004 in Germany and an average of $15,734 in the U.S. An appendectomy ranges from an average of $1,030 in Argentina, to $5,509 in Chile, to an average of $13,003 in the U.S. The survey also found that the cost of a widely prescribed drug like Nexium can range from $69 in Switzerland to $193, the average cost in the U.S.,” the report reads.
    The findings help reinforce what many health experts have been saying: health care costs more in the United States to a large degree because doctors, hospitals, drug and medical device companies charge more.
    In virtually every country where there is socialised medicine, expensive private options are still available.

    So fuck them off.

    Charge a flat percentage to every citizen and provide healthcare at a reasonable cost. Put major countrywide pharmaceutical and medical equipment needs out to international tender.

    Then watch the costs come crashing down.

    Of course the politicians that are stuffing healthcare cash in their pockets will come up with more bullshit reasons as to why they can't do it.

    By the way, this is another one of Trump's broken promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    if raising premiums are capped they will demand more tax payer money.
    Then you just say no. They should never have been subsidized in the first place. It is long past the time that these companies were allowed to call the shots. They need to be neutered.



    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Put major countrywide pharmaceutical and medical equipment needs out to international tender.
    Definitely this. Drugs and also hospital equipment is way overpriced. For example the Japanese manufacture an MRI machine that costs $700. In the US the same machine goes for ten times as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Then you just say no. They should never have been subsidized in the first place. It is long past the time that these companies were allowed to call the shots. They need to be neutered.





    Definitely this. Drugs and also hospital equipment is way overpriced. For example the Japanese manufacture an MRI machine that costs $700. In the US the same machine goes for ten times as much.

    Wasn't subsidies to insurance companies parts of Obamacare from the very beginning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Definitely this. Drugs and also hospital equipment is way overpriced. For example the Japanese manufacture an MRI machine that costs $700. In the US the same machine goes for ten times as much.
    The US spends more on health care than any of the the 35 OECD nations but ranks 29th of 35 in health care effectiveness. If the clowns on the hill really want to make America great again, suggest they get over their political posturing and look at health care laws in the top 10. Just copy their laws. Easy peasy.

    Reckon our so called leaders are content with healthcare as it is. "You can have better but ya can't pay more".
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Wasn't subsidies to insurance companies parts of Obamacare from the very beginning?
    To help them ease the transition. But that is beside the point. The fact is they are making record profits they do not need subsidies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    The US spends more on health care than any of the the 35 OECD nations but ranks 29th of 35 in health care.
    Yes and that to me is criminal. Simply no excuse for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Wasn't subsidies to insurance companies parts of Obamacare from the very beginning?
    That was only ever intended as a temporary incentive to them while it was building steam.

    But it was sabotaged anyway by Marco Rubio and the Republicans.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/25/o...acare-aca.html

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    Senate Republicans tweak Graham-Cassidy in latest bid to win votes

    "The vote count is also looking dim. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said Friday that he would oppose the bill, calling instead for a return to regular order and bipartisanship. Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) sounded all but assured to be a ‘no’ vote in interviews on Sunday.

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) has consistently said he opposed the plan. He cracked the door open to support it Sunday — but only if the block-grant funding were significantly cut. Graham and Cassidy appear to be moving in the opposite direction in the revised bill. Other conservatives, like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), have also said they oppose the bill as it is currently written.

    Then there is Murkowski, perhaps the most closely watched vote. She has said repeatedly that she is reviewing estimates on how the bill would affect Alaska — and now much of the new funding in the revised plan would benefit her state.

    According to Senate Republican estimates obtained by Vox along with the bill, Alaska would still see a $100 million federal funding cut by 2026 under the block grant — though the estimates say that, because the state would save money on its share of Medicaid expansion, the state would see a net 3-percent bump in funding. (It should be noted the GOP’s internal estimates have been rosier than those from outside groups.)

    However, Murkowski has raised other concerns, such as protections for people with preexisting conditions — which Graham-Cassidy would roll back compared to Obamacare — and the rushed, secretive process that has produced the GOP’s health care plans."

    More. A good article IMO.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...funding-alaska

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    I would fucking love to see McCain do the old thumbs down in front of Turtle face again.


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    Sen. Collins' opposition kills GOP health care drive

    The last-gasp Republican drive to tear down President Barack Obama's health care law essentially died Monday as Maine Sen. Susan Collins joined a small but decisive cluster of GOP senators in opposing the push.

    The Maine moderate said in a statement that the legislation would make "devastating" cuts in the Medicaid program for poor and disabled people, drive up premiums for millions and weaken protections Obama's law gives people with pre-existing medical conditions.

    Collins announced her decision shortly after the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said "millions" of Americans would lose coverage under the bill and projected it would impose $1 trillion in Medicaid cuts through 2026.



    Winning: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/h...--finance.html - Susan Collins Opposes Graham-Cassidy, Blocking GOP Bill To Repeal Obamacare : NPR

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Then you just say no. They should never have been subsidized in the first place. It is long past the time that these companies were allowed to call the shots. They need to be neutered.





    Definitely this. Drugs and also hospital equipment is way overpriced. For example the Japanese manufacture an MRI machine that costs $700. In the US the same machine goes for ten times as much.

    Say no and see more insurance companies pull out of the exchanges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Say no and see more insurance companies pull out of the exchanges.
    then devise and pass legislation that encourages them to remain...oh wait, Republican Congress wants great health care only for legislators...others need not apply...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Say no and see more insurance companies pull out of the exchanges.
    You really are dense. You require all insurance companies to sell on the exchanges at the same time you cap the costs. The people have no concern about the insurance companies profitability and neither should the government.

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    LOL

    Bsnubs solution:

    Tell private companies to sell a product, for no more than XX price.

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    What's yours? Scream about 'Socialism!' every time someone even mentions an affordable and working healthcare system?

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    You can quit stalking and replying to every post of mine any day now.

    Just let the butthurt flow through you etc....

    Your becoming extremely tedious bro, and pathetic.

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    A) Quit hypocritin', lying and exaggerating for effect you whiny little bro-flake;

    B) you don't know how forums work do you, buttercup;

    C) apply this liberally for your healthcare needs: and




    D) it's "you're".

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