Thread: Health Care Passes

For those unlightened ones:

Isn't it about time the United States of America was deemed unconstitutional?
The Founding Fathers had no intention of giving women and blacks the vote.

Originally Posted by larvidchr

The private US healthcare industry their lobbyists and bought politicians are simply screwing you up your backside every day and you "twats" are loving it, go figure

The numbers are there for all to see, no rocket science there, just try to buy an international health insurance and look at the discount you get if you chose to exclude only the US (from the same insurance company's instilling communist fears in you in the US, to make you keep believing them, they are not even hiding that they are fucking Americans over back-ways and forwards ), this is really as basic as two + two, and before any of you start with your brainwashed crap, the quality is just as good or better in most European countries.

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I fear you are wasting your breath there Larv. The Yank peasant milking cows have been brainwashed to believe that any kind of a public system is akin to communism.

Actually we did have a 'righter than Right' Amerkin here contributing to issues (forget who) who had seen his family go through the distress and horror of being denied Health care insurance compensation- even though they had been paying their premiums- because of some typically sleazy insurance company cop out. He remained proudly redneck, but not when it came to Health care reform strangely enough.

And to think those mugs pay well over double what the rest of us do for this lark.

Very sorry to hear about your mother Larv- my condolences.

The Obamacare house of cards is crumbling:

Vulnerable Senate Dems under pressure to vote yes on ObamaCare repeal.

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Health Care Repeal Vote Fails In Senate

Health Care Repeal Vote Fails In Senate

Yawwn.

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Uh hum...they voted to repeal one part of it. More to go with the Supremes going to weigh in. Then...durmroll...it's gonna be history. Snort...

Senate repeals part of health care law - Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

Update...ObamaCare Will Kill 800,000 Jobs

Here's what Congressional Budget Office Director Doug Elmendorf has to say about ObamaCare's effect on the already stratospheric unemployment rate:

Rep. [John] Campbell: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, we'll — and Dr. Elmendorf — and we'll continue this conversation right now. First on health care, before I get to — before I get to broader issues, you just mentioned that you believe — or that in your estimate, that the health care law would reduce the labor used in the economy by about 1/2 of 1 percent, given that, I believe you say, there's 160 million full-time people working in '20-'21. That means that, in your estimation, the health care law would reduce employment by 800,000 in '20-'21. Is that correct?

Director Elmendorf: Yes. The way I would put it is that we do estimate, as you said, that… employment will be about 160 million by the end of the decade. Half a percent of that is 800,000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Jskjci1ZL9Q

what would you do to fix our bloated for profit healthcare system?

should we do nothing and just let it ride?

America's healthcare system is not the best in the world as we hear politicians say everyday... that is just a outright lie...

personally I am in favor of a one-payer system like the rest of the western world... this obamacare shit is just some hashed up boondoggle...

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For starters, get a job and get on your employer's insurance. Doesn't appear there is an easy, one answer for the problem but I know this; paying for illegal aliens health care, abortion etc is not the way to go...

Originally Posted by dotcom

Since when can daddy government force anyone to purchase anything they don't want?

Not that I agree with it but they have forced purchase of SS for all and Medicare for those over 65. Also forced to pay tax even if we don't live in US.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

paying for illegal aliens health care, abortion etc is not the way to go.

HC reform doesn't cover II's. Dunno about abortion, but neither do I care.
The two issue's that necessitated it are quite clear. First, you pay 200-300% of your GDP towards health care compared to other advanced nations- and these costs have been inflating rapidly. Second, some 20% of your population is uninsured- in fact probably more now, with the financial crisis and job losses.

It will be 7-10 years before the savings start kicking in appreciably, but HC reform is by far the most significant legislation Obama has passed to rein in the chronic fiscal deficits in the US too. More will be needed though to stop your government going broke.

Originally Posted by dotcom

What is Obamacare for? Easy. To cover illegal immigrants & to supply free taxpayer funded abortions to all comers.

Cite your sources.

Since when can daddy government force anyone to purchase anything they don't want?

Social Security and Medicare, for starters.

Answer Never.

See above.

You are not forced to "buy" anything.

read this obama drones.

Social Security (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's a welfare scheme hatched by that other communist FDR.
It's going to end up bankrupting the country but you libs couldn't care less about that.

But here is what you haven't thought about.

Once the government takes over healthcare it will start to set the prices for stuff.

Then the government will need to begin to shit doctors because students will not want to become doctors & work for whatever chickenshit wages Bamboy & his cronies decide.

You're 85. You need a hip replacement. The death panel is gonna say no.

Let's get this up to the Supreme Court ASAP. They will wipe their ass with this middle of the night - I didn't read the bill bullshit.

Cocksuckers didn't pass a budget in 2010. Too busy wrecking the best healthcare in the world.

"Fundamentally Transform" means you hate what was there before you popped out of wherever the fuck you came from. Marxist.

Looks like Judge Vinson has had enough of Bamboy shooting the middle finger to federal Judges who have ruled that Obamacare is unconstitutional.

A justice dept that was not run by Communists would have asked for an injunction. However what we have is a lawless rogue administration (the executive branch) who rule by fiat & do whatever they damn well please & the will of the courts & the will of the people BE DAMNED.

Mister Obama - you are in contempt & your are comtemptable.

Florida Judge Declines to Halt Health Reform Implementation | The Rundown News Blog | PBS NewsHour | PBS


Excerpts QUOTE:

A Florida judge on Tuesday refused to order the government to stop implementing the health care reform law, handing the Obama administration at least a temporary victory in the ongoing legal battle over reform.

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The judge did criticize the administration, though, for its response to the ruling. He said that he had intended the original decision to act as an "injunction" that would stop implementation of the law, and that he had expected that the government would immediately file a request for a stay.
Vinson wrote that he did not expect that the government "would effectively ignore the order and declaratory judgment for two and one-half weeks, continue to implement the act, and only then file a belated motion to 'clarify.'"
He gave the administration seven days to file the appeal.

boy o boy - if the libs thought Dick Cheney was lawless ... ditto rummy & ashcroft...
What do they think about the mixed race messiah?

Please tell me you libs.

Yesterday Health Care for America Now released a report that shows that the big five insurers earned $11.7 billion in 2010 - a 51% increase since 2008 - as they cut the number of people insured by millions and reduced the share of premiums they spend on actual medical care. So they made more money by charging more and providing less. It's a great business model if you can swing it - sell a product for higher and higher prices, offer less and then try to deny services to your paying customers when they actually need it.

The big profit gains were led by UnitedHealth, which reported $4.6 billion in earnings last year, up 21 percent from the 2009. WellPoint, the parent of Blue Cross plans in 14 states, including New York, California, Virginia, Georgia, Missouri and Ohio, earned $2.9 billion, up 13 percent from 2009; Aetna made $1.8 billion, up 38 percent; Cigna recorded $1.3 billion, up 3 percent; and Humana took $1 billion, up 6 percent.

..... According a report by Public Campaign Action Fund, these five companies alone spent nearly $50 million lobbying lawmakers from 2008 to 2010, and their employees and political action committees spent more than $7.3 million on campaign contributions. Imagine what the rest of their industry spent!

Of course it's no shock that America's big insurance companies make huge amounts of money and then spend millions to own the Republican Party, which then protects their ability to make excessive profits and pay bloated CEO salaries. This is exactly why the consumer protections in the Affordable Care Act are so important. And it's what's wrong with a political system dominated by corporate money instead of people.
Ethan Rome: Republicans Protect Billions in Health Insurance Company Profits


Charge more and provide less- great business model. Is that what free enterprise means?

Heh...not only did the Obama Administration add another $100 billion to the cost of Obamacare one month after the bill was rammed through Congress but today the Obama Administration admitted to fraud. The White House and Democrats double-counted $500 billion in Obamacare in order to make it look like the bill was going to save the American taxpayers some cash.

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION & DEMOCRATS COMMITTED FRAUD!

FOX Nation

The USA is in the very best of hands, eh?

The corruption continues:
Maine gets Waiver to opt out

Barack is not Stupid. He'll buy off corporations or States one by one.

Anything to keep government run healthcare on the books.

The latest budget proposal contains 105 billion to fund provisions of Obamacare. Despite being declared unconstitutional.

Warning link contains massive picture of the dear leader which may cause some viewers to vomit. Rated PG17. Use caution.

Obama Gives a Health Care Waiver to Entire State of Maine - Obamacare Waivers - Fox Nation

Democrats control healthcare. If you want healthcare you'll have to vote Democrat. You got bought off using your own tax dollars. Some nome nah.

A quick look at the approval rating for HC reform, one year since passing-



"Americans are divided on whether passage of the law that "restructures the nation's healthcare system" is a good thing (46 percent) or bad thing (44 percent)."

Still highly divided along party political lines too, although I note Republican disapproval has dropped overall-



Health Reform Law: Same Opinions One Year Later


Considering the gigantic HC reform process will only begin to be felt by US citizens in 2014, these approval figures and the way they are holding up are quite encouraging. As the article points out, the 'interim' period when the reforms are in the pipeline rather than made real is of course going to be exploited by opponents of the HC reform process, specifically by spreading disinformation and uncertainty. We'll be reading about alien Death panels, free abortions for underaged whales, godless Socialism, and free coverage for drug dealing II's for some time yet. And of course that HC reform is Unconstitutional.

This graph says it all:

Back to basics: Why the public doesn’t like ObamaCare.