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    Quote Originally Posted by dotcom
    Maybe we'll use reconciliation to pass amnesty reform?
    Assume the we is Republicans? We can only use the budget reconciliation process if we actually author a bill and get it passed. Once we have done that, then we can go though the reconciliation process. Hopefully we Republican Senators can agree on the financial reform bill, send it to the house for incorporation to bill they have already passed.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dotcom
    trash the healthcare of 300 million people
    Eh? I missed that bit. Please enlighten me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benbaaa View Post
    I've been watching Fox's take on all this (just for a laugh, of course), and the insanity of Hannity and Co truly boggles the mind, as others have said. All this stuff about socialism, totalitarianism, the end-of-the-USA-as-we-know-it stuff is so far removed from reality, you've got to start wondering if these people are suffering from some sort of mass hysterical delusion.

    It is terrifying to think some people are tuned into FOX nodding their heads in agreement to what these idiots spout out.

    FOX is just a propaganda tool directed to the Republican portion of the population to keep them in check.


    Glen Beck crying over it , unfucking real - bet he had a bunch of Nigger hating Mid westerners blowing their noses in snot rags as well.

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    ^ Aren't you paying attention????
    What is scary is the federal mandate that everyone must purchase health insurance or else!
    To be regulated and enforced by the IRS! Unfuckingbeleivable!

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    Hahaha. Remember when Limbaugh said he would move to Costa Rica if HCR passed?

    Video: Rush Limbaugh threatens to leave for Costa Rica if health care reform is passed

    Now the bulbous hypocrite says he'll only go there for his health care even though Costa Rica is a far more socialised system than what just passed in the US.

    After the health care reform bill did in fact pass yesterday many of Limbaugh's listeners reminded him about the pledge. Not surprisingly Limbaugh backtracked a bit saying he only meant he would go to Costa Rica for his health care and not that he would be moving to the country.

    Video: Rush Limbaugh 'clarifies' pledge to move to Costa Rica if health care bill passes

    Oh, and somebody ought to tell him that Costa Rica ranks above the US in health care rankings

    36 Costa Rica
    37 United States of America
    38 Slovenia


    Perhaps he'll move there after Hannity gets waterboarded..





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    His name was Limbaugh, he had a talkshow
    With oxycontin in his veins and a little boy to train
    He would sache and do the cha-cha
    And while he was the GOP star, He knew he wasn't getting far
    Always a babbling fool, he was just another tool
    He was rich, fat and bloated
    Who could ask for more?

    Down in Costa! Costa Rica!
    The place will be a mess in a week ah!
    Down in Costa! Coooosstttaa Riccccaaa!!!
    Viagra and lortab will cover your bar tab
    Down in Costa....where Rush will go


    (Copa Copacabana)..

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    bibo ergo sum
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    This time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    I love it - America to be just like Eruoweenieland. Check out these Lamestream media whores, ABC's Dr. Tim Johnson --- who pushed hard for ObamaCare --- tells ABCNews viewers that under ObamaCare, they "are going to have to change our spending habits. We'll have to stop demanding the latest of everything because we think it's the best." i.e., under socialism, since everyone can't have the best, no one can have the best... except for political elites who, BTW, exempted themselves from ObamaCare.

    Socialist Workers Paradise!
    In case it's never been explained to you before the fact that the NHS in the UK exists doesn't stop anyone here from buying private healthcare insurance or paying for their healthcare by the episode if they want to. It seems that a lot of Americans assume that there's no other option than the NHS in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    Hahaha. Remember when Limbaugh said he would move to Costa Rica if HCR passed?

    Video: Rush Limbaugh threatens to leave for Costa Rica if health care reform is passed

    Now the bulbous hypocrite says he'll only go there for his health care even though Costa Rica is a far more socialised system than what just passed in the US.

    After the health care reform bill did in fact pass yesterday many of Limbaugh's listeners reminded him about the pledge. Not surprisingly Limbaugh backtracked a bit saying he only meant he would go to Costa Rica for his health care and not that he would be moving to the country.

    Video: Rush Limbaugh 'clarifies' pledge to move to Costa Rica if health care bill passes

    Oh, and somebody ought to tell him that Costa Rica ranks above the US in health care rankings

    36 Costa Rica
    37 United States of America
    38 Slovenia


    Perhaps he'll move there after Hannity gets waterboarded..
    You took the words right out of my mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe View Post
    There was no bipartisanship going on with this bill- what did the republicans think was going to happen?
    Sure there was! How many Dems voted against it? 34?
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    The US is wealthy country in which tens of millions of people are uninsured
    Yep, funny how that # keeps changing from 15 mil to 30 or 31 mil. Anyway, many of the uninsured are healthy young working folks who do not want to pay. How many are illegal immigrants? To force the whole pop to buy something they may not want is unconstitutional. The govt cannot force people to buy anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    ^
    So what's yer point? All those thousand, million illegals should get free health care off the sweat of my hard earned scraps, eh?
    Basically, that's how I see it.
    Quote Originally Posted by dotcom View Post
    There was no good reason to trash the healthcare of 300 million people to accommodate 12 million new users.
    31 mil now, DC.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    everyone must purchase health insurance or else!
    To be regulated and enforced by the IRS! Unfuckingbeleivable!
    That is one of the scariest parts, fo sho.
    Quote Originally Posted by lysander View Post
    the NHS in the UK doesn't stop anyone here from buying private healthcare insurance
    True, but you still have to pay for it. I did and never used it. Three-yr wait for a pap smear test on NHS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    ^ Aren't you paying attention????
    What is scary is the federal mandate that everyone must purchase health insurance or else!
    To be regulated and enforced by the IRS! Unfuckingbeleivable!


    Or else what ?

    Everyone is also forced to buy car insurance and pay tax to the IRS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lysander View Post
    the NHS in the UK doesn't stop anyone here from buying private healthcare insurance
    True, but you still have to pay for it. I did and never used it. Three-yr wait for a pap smear test on NHS.
    When was this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    ^ Translation for Boon and friends : OwNeD !!!
    Hardly...

    For the umteeth, millionth time, Amerika ain't a little island in the North Sea nor a little island in the south Pacific (NZ) where a socialist workers paradise can be enacted.

    Remember...this socialism works great until ya run outa other peoples money, eh?

    Oh, don't ferget about Greece too, eh? And it ain't Apples/Oranges...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe View Post
    There was no bipartisanship going on with this bill- what did the republicans think was going to happen?
    Sure there was! How many Dems voted against it? 34?
    Sorry- let me clarify- there was no bipartisanship exhibited by the republicans.

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    15 million more Americans eligible for Medicaid under the HC bill?

    Interesting take on the states and their budget woes.

    States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets (Update2)

    By Pat Wechsler




    March 23 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama faces a fight over the health-care overhaul from states that sued today because the legislation’s expansion of Medicaid imposes a fiscal strain on their cash-strapped budgets.



    Florida, Texas and Pennsylvania are among 14 states that filed suit after the president signed the bill over the constitutionality of the burden imposed by the legislation. The health-care overhaul will make as many as 15 million more Americans eligible for Medicaid nationwide starting in 2014 and will cost the states billions to administer.



    States faced with unprecedented declines in tax collections are cutting benefits and payments to hospitals and doctors in Medicaid, the health program for the poor paid jointly by state and U.S. governments. The costs to hire staff and plan for the average 25 percent increase in Medicaid rolls may swamp budgets, said Toby Douglas, who manages the Medicaid program for California, which hasn’t joined the lawsuits.



    “The states are coming through the worst fiscal period in the history of record keeping,” said Vernon Smith, a former Medicaid director for Michigan and now a principal at the research and consulting firm Health Management Associates in Lansing, Michigan. “Medicaid is the most significant, most visible and most costly part of this expansion and states fully expect to see increases in their spending.”
    California’s Deficit



    For California, with a $20 billion budget deficit, the extra load will cost at least an additional $2 billion to $3 billion annually, said Douglas, chief deputy director for California’s health care programs. He said the overhaul is currently projected to add 1.6 million people to the 7 million enrolled in his state’s program.



    “We face enormous challenges just sustaining our existing program,” said Douglas in a March 18 telephone interview. “I just don’t see states having the capacity to move forward on these changes in this environment.”

    Link: States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets (Update2) - Bloomberg.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by dotcom
    He just put them on the superhighway to insolvency.
    I believe the saying is "The horse has already bolted"

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    Please confirm this:

    This health care bill has passed the Senate already, correct?

    Now, that it passed the House, it goes to the President's desk for signing.

    I think bills went to the House first, and then the Senate.


    Thanks to anyone who can answer.

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    Threats and actions against lawmakers that voted for the HC bill have been occurring.

    Coffin placed on Carnahan's lawn

    By JAKE SHERMAN 3/24/10


    A coffin was placed on a Missouri Democrat’s lawn, another in a string of incidents against lawmakers after their vote Sunday on a health care overhaul.

    Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.) had a coffin placed “near his home,” a spokesman said Wednesday evening.

    This came after Rep. Tom Perriello’s (D-Va.) brother’s gas lines were cut, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) received death threats and Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) received a message saying snipers were being deployed to kill children of those who voted for health care overhaul.

    Several other Democrats have had threats leveled against them, prompting a closed-door briefing of Democratic members by the FBI, Capitol Police and the House Sergeant at Arms.
    Link & Entire: Coffin placed on Carnahan's lawn - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

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    More threats.

    Steny Hoyer: Members are at risk
    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer is warning that some of his Democratic colleagues are being threatened with violence when they go back to their districts — and he wants Republicans to stand up and condemn the threats.

    The Maryland Democrat said more than 10 House Democrats have reported incidents of threats or other forms of harassment about their support of the highly divisive health insurance overhaul vote.
    Hoyer emphasized that he didn’t have a specific number of threats and that was just an estimate.



    Read more: Steny Hoyer: Members are at risk - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com
    Link & Entire: Steny Hoyer: Members are at risk - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman
    More threats.
    They will continue. GOP pandering to the far right coupled with their uncompromising opposition to HC bill ensures they will have to deal with the forces they have unleashed. These threats will be associated directly to the GOP and play a big anti GOP factor in the mid terms.

    You reap what you sow.

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    Maybe those members across the pond need to know something about the Republicans. Conservatism in America isn't Brooks Brother suits with Florsheim wingtips, it's redneck survivalists with gun collections and stockpiles of Spam tins buried in the back yard.

    When Liberals get angry they rely on prose and often quote FDR. When rednecks get angry they start shooting. Or better put these days, get someone to do it for them under the guise of any one of many doctrines left by certain founding fathers or modern religious leaders. Aka fookin dangerous!

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    Heh...what happens when a country takes on massive amounts of debt, mainly to finance a vastly expanded Government Health Care scheme while promising not to raise taxes on the middle class.

    A. A massive tax hike on the middle class.

    Uh, uh, what about that promise not to raise them taxes on folks making <250K per year, eh?

    Is this field-hand a one-termer or what???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
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    Oh my aching irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
    Please confirm this:

    This health care bill has passed the Senate already, correct?

    Now, that it passed the House, it goes to the President's desk for signing.

    I think bills went to the House first, and then the Senate.


    Thanks to anyone who can answer.

    MM,.I hope this article will answer your question.

    http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/24/harkin-argues-for-passing-reconciliation-bill-without-amendments-hopes-for-public-option-vote-in-future/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    Oh my aching irony.
    Don't worry, Boon Mee's taxes can still provide socialised medicine for Afghans and Iraqis even though he doesn't want them to provide for his fellow citizens, but I am not sure how linking to an article from the Telegraph about the UK budget is relevant.

    Still, nothing new there; I am sure we will be graced with an irrelevant and childish cartoon shortly to make everything clear..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    ^ Aren't you paying attention????
    What is scary is the federal mandate that everyone must purchase health insurance or else!
    To be regulated and enforced by the IRS! Unfuckingbeleivable!
    If you read the details, it isn't. The "mandate" doesn't kick in until you need insurance, then you pay a small penalty.

    Either way, it's another reason we need a public option, like the one proposed by Grayson. By 2014, when the "mandate" kicks in, there will likely be an affordable public option available.

    Or we could all be COMMUNISTS by then! Bwahahaha!
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    Garrison Keillor:

    The Republicans fought long and hard for people’s right to wait three hours in an emergency room for someone to take their blood pressure, and they went down to defeat, and now they should stop and rethink their Waterloo strategy. The picture of the grinning GOP congressmen holding “Kill the Bill” posters was not an attractive one. Those guys all get excellent [healthcare] from the government, at bargain prices. If you choke on your shoe during a speech in the House of Representatives, you’ll be whisked away to Walter Reed, and specialists will extract your hoof from your mouth and your head from your colon and clean you up and all for a tiny annual premium. It does not behoove men who are enjoying a huge pork sandwich to deny a few pork rinds to others and to grin in the process…
    __
    Now Sen. McCain says there will be no further cooperation with the administration. OK then. Thanks for clearing that up. Now that bipartisanship has been buried for good, Democrats can get about the business of running the government, which is their duty as the majority party, and let the Republicans sulk in their rooms and work on their Facebook updates. They’ve made it clear that if Mr. Obama suddenly decided to come out in favor of Mother’s Day, they would fight against it as a ruthless exercise of federal power and a violation of due process. Fine. Talk to the hand.

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