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    Bush admits to CIA secret prisons

    Bush's policy on terror suspect detainees has been criticised

    President Bush has acknowledged the existence of secret CIA prisons and said 14 key terrorist suspects have now been sent to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
    The suspects, who include the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, have now been moved out of CIA custody and will face trial.
    Mr Bush said the prisons were a vital tool in the war on terror and that intelligence gathered had saved lives.
    He added that the CIA treated detainees humanely and did not use torture.
    He said all suspects would be afforded protection under the Geneva Convention.




    In a televised address alongside families of those killed in the 11 September 2001 attacks, Mr Bush said there were now no terrorist suspects under the CIA programme.
    Mr Bush said he was making a limited disclosure of the CIA programme because interrogation of the men it held was now complete and because a US Supreme Court decision had stopped the use of military commissions for trials.
    He said the CIA programme had interrogated a small number of key figures suspected of involvement in 9/11, the attack on the USS Cole in 2000 in Yemen and the 1998 attacks on US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.
    Mr Bush spelled out how the questioning of detainee Abu Zubaydah had led to the capture of Ramzi Binalshibh, which in turn led to the detention of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
    Mr Bush said the CIA had used an "alternative set of procedures", agreed with the justice department, once suspects had stopped talking.
    But he said: "The US does not torture. I have not authorised it and I will not."
    He said the questioning methods had prevented attacks inside the US and saved US lives.
    "This programme has helped us to take potential mass murderers off the streets before they have a chance to kill," the president said.
    The CIA programme had caused some friction with European allies. Some EU lawmakers said the CIA carried out clandestine flights to transport terror suspects.
    Dick Marty, who investigated the issue of secret CIA prisons for the Council of Europe, said it was now up to European governments to reveal what they know about secret CIA prisons in Europe.

    Revised guidelines
    Mr Bush said he was asking Congress to authorise military commissions and once that was done "the men our intelligence officials believe orchestrated the deaths of nearly 3,000 Americans on September 11 2001 can face justice".
    All detainees will now have Geneva Convention protection

    All suspects will now be treated under new guidelines issued by the Pentagon on Wednesday, which bring all military detainees under the protection of the Geneva Convention.
    The move marks a reversal in policy for the Pentagon, which previously argued that many detainees were unlawful combatants who did not qualify for such protections.
    The new guidelines forbid all torture, the use of dogs to intimidate prisoners, water boarding - the practice of submerging prisoners in water - any kind of sexual humiliation, and many other interrogation techniques.
    The BBC's Adam Brookes in Washington says that in one stroke the Pentagon is moving to defuse all criticism of the way it treats the people it has captured in its war against terrorism.
    The US administration has faced criticism from legal experts and human rights activists over the policy on detentions of terrorism suspects.
    Mr Bush also said he was asking Congress to pass urgent legislation to clarify the terms under which those fighting the war on terror could operate. He said the laws must make it explicit that US personnel were fulfilling their obligations under the Geneva Convention. Mr Bush said those questioning suspected terrorists must be able to use everything under the law to save US lives.

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    ...and promptly the detainees will be handed over to the CIA (as agreed to in a backroom deal by McCain).

    Basically McCain sold out to get his amendment passed.

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    Sure seems like GWB pussed out on this one. More to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak
    Basically McCain sold out to get his amendment passed.
    McCain has always been a flipflop. Extremly unreliable. He is a fuckup. I actually prefer Bush over him.

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    mccain is clintonesque in his quest to ride both sides of an issue, but at least he's engaged. GWB's lack of intellectual curiosity is what got him (and the rest of the world) into all this trouble. mccain would have asked the tough questions of cheney and rummy in 2002, the US never would have invaded iraq.

    but then again mccain never would've selected dick and don.

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    And most of them were in countries where torchering prisioners is something normal. But the fecker GW Butcher keeps on saying that torcheing any detainee is against our policy, against our values bla bla bla. The fecker could have managed such prisions in countries where the chances of them being treated harshly's less.

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    Which has what exactly to do with "Expat travel, lifestyle and fun"?

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    This is the "Issues" subforum where you may discuss world events, history, philosophical topics etc.

    Thanks for your support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    This is the "Issues" subforum where you may discuss world events, history, philosophical topics etc.

    Thanks for your support.
    Welcome back, Headmaster.
    It ain't been the same 'round here w/out you!

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    There's only one reason why a government would set up secret prisons - because they know they're going to do something inside them they know is wrong.

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    BDS is totally out of control...

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    Quote Originally Posted by benbaaa View Post
    There's only one reason why a government would set up secret prisons - because they know they're going to do something inside them they know is wrong.
    Illegal perhaps ... but not wrong.

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    ^ What is right about it then??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok View Post
    ^ What is right about it then??
    "How can it be wrong when it feels so right"

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    ^ That's what I keep telling the wife about anal sex.

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    here's some insight on the 'trials'......

    "President Bush's campaign to sharply limit the courtroom rights of suspected terrorists ran into opposition yesterday from key Republican senators and even top uniformed military lawyers, who said it would violate basic principles of justice.

    >>>snip<<<
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    Brig. Gen. James C. Walker, U.S. Marine Corps staff judge advocate: "I'm not aware of any situation in the world where there is a system of jurisprudence that is recognized by civilized people, where an individual can be tried and convicted without seeing the evidence against him. And I don't think that the United States needs to become the first in that scenario."
    bravo.

    and the gonzalez justice department (you remember gonzalez, he referred to the geneva conventions as 'quaint') got knocked back on it's heels as well....

    Rep. GK Butterfiled (D-N.C.) and Steven G. Bradbury, the Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel's acting chief (had the following exchange).

    Butterfield: "Would the administration find these procedures that you've put forward to be acceptable to one of our members if they were being tried by a foreign government?"


    Bradbury: "I think probably not."
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