Thread: US to invade the Falklands

Originally Posted by superman

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Oops. Without checking, I don't think that is correct. The New territories were rented, as you say for 99 years. Hong Kong (and Kowloon?) were actually ceded to the UK in perputuity.

UK owned Kowloon and New Territories but not HK.

I am pretty sure thats not right mate.

You may well be right nidhogg. If so then I appologise. .

Originally Posted by superman

You may well be right nidhogg. If so then I appologise. But I didn't think Kowloon and the New Territories were part of the 99 year lease deal and were only handed back when China threatened M Thatcher to turn off the taps if they weren't.

No probs.
As I said, pretty sure it HK and parts of kowloon that were owned, and new territories that were leased - but you are right in that I think the British Gov thought that the colony was unsustainable without the New territories (water etc) - the NTs are much bigger than the original bits.

I'll keep in mind for a final ruling by some one who can show another way though...

Royal Navy attack submarine sent to Falklands as British drillers 'get close to oil'
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 8:40 AM on 17th March 2010
A Royal Navy attack submarine has been sent to the Falkands to boost security as speculation mounts that drillers have found oil there, it was revealed today.
HMS Sceptre, a Swiftsure-class nuclear-powered submarine, has been sent to the Islands from southern Africa, say sources.
It is hoped that the presence of the 5,000-tonne submarine will make Argentina think twice about laying serious claims to the British islands.

HMS Sceptre: The nuclear-powered submarine has been sent to patrol the waters around the Falkland Islands, according to reports
The vessel is equipped with Spearfish anti-ship torpedoes and took three weeks to reach the Falklands.
A source told The Sun newspaper: 'It has state-of-the-art listening sensors and will be monitoring all ship movements in the area.'
It was expected, they said, that the presence of the sub would 'strike fear into the hearts of any possible enemy'.
Details of Sceptre's presence in the waters around the Falkland Islands came as speculation mounted that British firm Desire Petroleum has struck oil.
It is expected to announce next week whether it has had success.

Ocean Guardian: The rig was towed from Scotland to the South Atlantic to drill for oil near the Falkland Islands
Experts claim there could be as much as 60 billion barrels of crude oil under Falkland's waters.
There are already two Navy vessels in the area. HMS York, a Type 42 destroyer, is partolling off the island's capital of Port Stanley.
HMS Scott, a survey vessel, is also nearby and the fleet has air support from a squadron of RAF Typhoon fighter jets based on the islands.
The submarine, which was built in 1978, is 82 metres long and is equipped with sonar, attack and search periscopes, collision avoidance radar and electronic warfare. In addition, she has five torpedo tubes capable of firing the Spearfish.
Argentina has renewed claims in recent weeks that Britain is illegally occupying the islands.
The archipelago, which it calls Las Malvinas, remains an emotive issue for people in Argentina. Bringing up the issue of sovereignty offers a way for a populist president to whip up public support.
Friends: Hillary Clinton,left, endorsed Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner's call for talks on sovereignty while she was in Buenos Aires this month
Argentina has claimed the South Atlantic islands since Britain established its rule in the 19th century and invaded the Falklands in 1982.
After a two-month war, they were forced to withdraw their troops. But Argentines still maintain they have claim to the archipelago, which lies 300 miles from its coast.
In the past month, Argentine president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner has reasserted their claim and has objected to the British oil exploration.
She asked for the U.S. to intervene in the row, and secured backing from Secretary of State Hilary Clinton to open talks.
Both Britain and the Falklands governments have said there will be no negotiation over the islands and believe there is no issue to resolve.
The Argentine government has also tabled a UN resolution condemning Britain for allowing oil exploration off the Falklands.
President Kirchner issued a decree last month forcing ships sailing to the Falklands from Argentina to seek a permit after learning that the rig was to start drilling.
She has also secured backing from 32 South American nations supporting its claim that Britain has occupied the islands illegally since 1833.
The issue has been so emotive for her people that protests against British 'occupation' have been organised by former soldiers in Buenos Aires.
Last Wednesday, protesters carrying petrol bombs were stopped by police as they tried to storm the British Embassy in the city.
This morning, the Ministry of Defence would not discuss whether Sceptre had been deployed.
A spokesman said: 'We do not comment on submarine operations


Read more: Falkland Islands oil row: Navy attack submarine HMS Sceptre dispatched | Mail Online

So was it a full repairing lease.

..ie leave it as we found it.

Originally Posted by crippen

This morning, the Ministry of Defence would not discuss whether Sceptre had been deployed. A spokesman said: 'We do not comment on submarine operations

It is Sceptre.

Argentina Promotes World-wide Discussion On Falklands

BUENOS AIRES, March 31 (BERNAMA-NNN-MERCOPRESS) - Argentina's United Nations Ambassador Jorge ArgUello will give a talk this week in Bangkok, Thailand on "the Falklands or Malvinas Islands issue" and the South Atlantic situation.

ArgUello is a guest of ISIS (Strategic Studies Institute) of the University of Chulalongkorn Political Sciences Department, in the Thai capital, which is considered one of the most prestigious and oldest of Thailand.

The ambassador's press office here said the key address is part of the cycle launched by the Argentine UN legation under the name of "It takes two to Tango" ArgUello recently was a speaker at India's Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) in New Delhi and in Havana's Foreign Relations Institute in Cuba. Last year the conference cycle included Berlin and Columbia University and New School University in the United States.

"These conferences are geared to keep the international community informed about the Malvinas issue with the purpose of making viable the implementation of UN Resolution 2065 which calls on both sides of the conflict, Argentina and Britain to resume Malvinas Islands sovereignty negotiations", said the Argentine ambassador.

He added that "Argentine diplomacy is displaying a clear strategy oriented to generating the appropriate political conditions so that the many UN resolutions referred to our Malvinas Islands become effective".

In his presentation in India ArgUello said that Britain by insistently denying abiding what was decided by United Nations, based on the strong relation that still supports her in the Security Council, is challenging not only Argentina, but also the whole of the international community".

"They (members of the Security Council) have the maximum responsibility in international peace and security affairs. For that reason they enjoy privileges such as the veto power. They should then be the first in abiding by UN General Assembly resolutions. However London for decades has systematically rejected complying with Assembly decisions", said ArgUello.

"We will continue with this message and explaining the situation in all world forums. Argentina is particularly active. We need to generate the proper political conditions to resume the Falklands or Malvinas Islands bilateral sovereignty negotiations with Britain", he said.

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Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Clinton says US ready to help in Falklands dispute

Beware Greeks bearing gifts.

Beware Americans when there is oil about.

Some info about the Falklands, the Falklands war, and the U.S. Defense Mapping Agency for you Brits to know.

I was staying in Bangkok about a year before the Falklands war started. At that time there was a team staying at the same guesthouse I was staying at from the U.S. Defense Mapping Agency.
They were in Thailand at the request of the Thai governemnt to use satellite technology to map the Thai Cambodian border...expected to be there about 3 months or so to get accurate maps of where the border actually went. At that time (quite a few years ago now) they could determine the actual border within 100 meters or so.
About haf-way thruogh there planned stay they suddenly had to leave Thailand.
It seemed there was some priority mapping misson they were given in this bunch of islands in the South Atlantic nobody had ever heard of. They were called the Falkland Islands...and the U.K. Ministry of defence needed up to date maps of these islands for some reason. They requested help from the U.S. departmrnt of Defense.
It was a hurry up rush job and the team wasn't very happy to leave sunny Bangkok for those cold islands in the South Atlantic. They flew out of Bangkok striaght to the Falklands with stops in the U.K, and Ascension Islands I was told.
So now you all know exactly where the latest up to date maps that were used by the British forces in the Falklands came from.
Don't say I told you so.

Originally Posted by Smug Farang Bore

Yep see your point PB but there are many Countries with their lands far far away.

Even Norway has a few. Like Bouvet Island

Originally Posted by BigBaBoo

Don't say I told you so.

I won't, don't worry

Originally Posted by BigBaBoo

They were in Thailand at the request of the Thai governemnt to use satellite technology to map the Thai Cambodian border...expected to be there about 3 months or so to get accurate maps of where the border actually went.

So that's the reason for the current border dispute unfinished, dodgy, meriken maps.

The Frayed Bento's are whistlin' dixie. 'Los Malvina's est Argentineas', the sign earnestly assures you as you leave the airport in Buenos Aires- but the Falklands are entirely British. Ask any islander. The only Argentinians to set foot in the place wore shabby uniforms, and they weren't there for long at all. The Russians have a more legitimate claim to Alaska, as Sarah reminded us by seeing Russia from her window. To say nothing of Mexican Tejas'. The US State department official who called the it the Falklands 'or the Malvina's, depending on how you look at it', is a prize Twat. Go find your own oil.

Originally Posted by BigBaBoo

It seemed there was some priority mapping misson they were given in this bunch of islands in the South Atlantic no American had ever heard of.

Corrected it for you.

Originally Posted by BigBaBoo

So now you all know exactly where the latest up to date maps that were used by the British forces in the Falklands came from.

Yes, they don't like to be reminded of that fact or all the help Ronnie gave Lady Thacher...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Yes, they don't like to be reminded of that fact or all the help Ronnie gave Lady Thacher.

Not that I'm aware of- although I can't speak for every individual. Yes, it is true that Ronnie did help Maggie in the Falklands campaign, and it is no secret. Logistics and signals, basically. It is also true though that this was kept 'low key' at the time, at the USA's request, for diplomatic purposes.

So what will happen is the USA will say to Arge- thats them there's territorie...let the brits have it. ( Our side agreement with Brits gets us OIL)

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Yes, they don't like to be reminded of that fact or all the help Ronnie gave Lady Thacher.

Not that I'm aware of- although I can't speak for every individual. Yes, it is true that Ronnie did help Maggie in the Falklands campaign, and it is no secret. Logistics and signals, basically. It is also true though that this was kept 'low key' at the time, at the USA's request, for diplomatic purposes.

I've never understood this garbage the Brits go through for us.

We make them repay every last dime for our help in WW2

We kind of help them when they're in trouble

We expect their help when we stir the shit and start invading

We expect them to use their land for our bases.


Cool for us, pathetically whimpy for the Brits. Oh, not any particular British government or political direction. All of the whimps. (I mean the politicians and those who didn't stand up for their own way)

Lapdogs is right. Great for us. Not so great for them

Your 'help' in WW2 not only gained you a debt of gratititude from the UK and other Commonwealth nations, but the 'Anglo axis' was a defining factor in post WW2 foreign relations- which, no doubt, we can pick holes in- but it could have been far worse.

Originally Posted by Stars and Stripes

Cool for us, pathetically whimpy for the Brits.

Interestingly, most Amerkins seem to think the opposite (well, from my limited sample group). I think it's a bit cool for both parties really, though it does mean sometimes we have to send out armed forces to follies that we didn't really want to get involved in, as a gesture of solidarity. Still, if it wasn't for you guys arriving late (as usual) we might well be speaking Russian.