Thread: The comical extent of US paranoia...

Muslims make Muslims 2nd Class Citizens

"I’m with Rushdie and Amis as I read all the sympathetic coverage in the liberal press about the poor, puzzled Muslims who feel that they are being picked on in airports and flights. If the parents of the young men who are attracted to this murderous martyrdom have lost control of their sons, then they must shoulder part of the blame. If the Muslims who choose to live in our society, with all its so-called tempting freedoms, do not protest against those who wish to destroy it, then how can they expect our tolerance? Why are the moderates not, in their hundreds and thousands, standing outside those mosques that are known to preach hatred, shouting “Not in our name” down their megaphones or “One, two, three, four, no more terror anymore”?"

Where are the Muslim mothers for peace? - Comment - Times Online

Originally Posted by surasak

Very few gun crimes are committed by a person using their own legal firearm. Most of the time it's stolen or in possession of someone who isn't legally allowed to own or possess a firearm in the first place.

No, what causes more crime is laws which generally prohibit people from taking their arms out in public display. I think if more people were allowed to carry arms openly then criminals would think twice if they knew they would be gunned down before they could pull the trigger.

Criminals will always get guns no matter how many laws you pass. They know this and exploit this.

Ahhh... that'll be why the US has far fewer shootings per capita than the UK.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

P.S. (Dodgy is code for the "P" word)

As in POS...

What is StoreKeeper doing here?? What's he posting now a days?? Did anyone notice ??

Originally Posted by Dougal

Originally Posted by surasak

I think if more people were allowed to carry arms openly then criminals would think twice if they knew they would be gunned down before they could pull the trigger.

This concept was pushed by the character 'Duke' in the cartoon strip Doonesbury, when Trudeau ran Duke as a spoof presidential candidate.

One of Duke's election pledges was to make the carrying of guns compulsory. The reasoning being 'Punks will think twice about mugging you if they know you are carrying a piece'

Although the series was intended as a spoof (at least I hope it was) a lot of pundits questioned whether there wasn't a lot of sense in the arguments.

There is a lot of sense in it. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think everyone should be allowed to own a gun....many people can barely manage driving a car.

But, I believe we ought to let trained individuals carry openly. As a deterrent.

If you saw a woman with a gun and one without which one would you try to steal a purse from?

Originally Posted by surasak

If you saw a woman with a gun and one without which one would you try to steal a purse from?

And which one would you try to steal a gun from?

You think it would be that easy?

Only if the owner isn't trained right. A properly carried handgun would be secured.

Originally Posted by surasak

Very few gun crimes are committed by a person using their own legal firearm. Most of the time it's stolen or in possession of someone who isn't legally allowed to own or possess a firearm in the first place.

No, what causes more crime is laws which generally prohibit people from taking their arms out in public display. I think if more people were allowed to carry arms openly then criminals would think twice if they knew they would be gunned down before they could pull the trigger.

Criminals will always get guns no matter how many laws you pass. They know this and exploit this.

I agree with surasak on this. A lot of the problems in over-crowded inner cities is caused by drunk, young, muscle-bound yobbos who know the police aren't armed and know they can kick the shit out of anyone they like. And they do. You cannot legally carry a weapon as a deterrent in the UK - gun or knife. You have to be strong and fit to survive - or very quiet and stay out of the places that the yobbos infest.

When I worked in the US, there was always the feeling that anyone walking past you in the street could have a gun in their pocket. I saw very little yobbish behaviour while I was there (Trenton, NJ).

Criminals will always get hold of guns. It's not possible to stop them. It's time ordinary citizens were allowed to carry them.

Just see the ratio of street killings in both countries. IMHO the UK shouldn't allow citizens to carry fire arms.

Strange enough the crime rates in many medium to large U.S. cities are soaring now that local police are expected to spend time with counterterrorism. Becasue of Federal mandates and the war in Iraq budgets are stretched thin and cannot cover both counterterrrorism and public safety.

I used to live near the Bisly rifle range in the UK and woudl occassionally go to watch people shoot. The rifle shooters were using targets at up to a mile distant and seemed on the face of it like any other sportsman in their approach.

The pistol shooters on the other hand were a much more mixed bunch and you didn't need to be a psychologist to see that a disturbing number were acting out John Wayne type fantasies.

Originally Posted by Macha

Just see the ratio of street killings in both countries. IMHO the UK shouldn't allow citizens to carry fire arms.

I understand what you are saying, but the streets are not safe for the average family at night time in many cities because of yobbos. A few guns in the hands of ordinary citizens would, I believe, deter that kind of behaviour and may even get rid of individual problems permanently.

^ I agree with you.Let them have guns and protect themselves.

Originally Posted by surasak

You think it would be that easy?

Only if the owner isn't trained right. A properly carried handgun would be secured.

As in tied to the owner with a chain?

Originally Posted by RDN

Originally Posted by Macha

Just see the ratio of street killings in both countries. IMHO the UK shouldn't allow citizens to carry fire arms.

I understand what you are saying, but the streets are not safe for the average family at night time in many cities because of yobbos. A few guns in the hands of ordinary citizens would, I believe, deter that kind of behaviour and may even get rid of individual problems permanently.

I have nothing against people having weapons at home, but I would not like to live in a society where people carry guns around with them in public.

Oh, shit - I do!

I'm going to get me a gun when I get to Thailand and I know exactly which poster in this forum has the connections to hook me up.

The guy who knows where I can get a gun licks his own balls.

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by surasak

You think it would be that easy?

Only if the owner isn't trained right. A properly carried handgun would be secured.

As in tied to the owner with a chain?

Holstered.