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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Heart
    In the US, people don't run as an Independent to win - they run as an Independent to send a message
    I doubt either Trump nor Perot saw themselves as simply delivering a message . . . that's what the primaries are for, the debates etc...
    That's an interesting debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjblaney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Heart
    In the US, people don't run as an Independent to win - they run as an Independent to send a message
    I doubt either Trump nor Perot saw themselves as simply delivering a message . . . that's what the primaries are for, the debates etc...
    That's an interesting debate.
    I'd agree that many of these numpties running for a shot at the presidency have zero chance (and that includes a few on the Dem side as well, of course) and are only doing it to gain name recognition on the path to massive speaking fees and the like . . . aded to which, quite a few are sitting office holders - who take off months at a time doing this crap while still being paid to do the job they were voted in on.

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    Crazy donald the blackmailer, goodness me no. Only Prince Rupert & Sidekick roger can do that. The enmity was guaranteed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat
    I'd agree that many of these numpties running for a shot at the presidency have zero chance (and that includes a few on the Dem side as well, of course) and are only doing it to gain name recognition on the path to massive speaking fees and the like . . . aded to which, quite a few are sitting office holders - who take off months at a time doing this crap while still being paid to do the job they were voted in on.
    that I'd agree with. Because I don't think there's been a politician decent enough to want to deliver a message to the masses (not counting their constituencies and peers) since the Kennedy's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjblaney
    that I'd agree with. Because I don't think there's been a politician decent enough to want to deliver a message to the masses (not counting their constituencies and peers) since the Kennedy's.
    You're probably right . . . but now there is Bernie Sanders, who seems to fly in the face of the conventional two-party system.
    I guess when there are only two parties who have 90+ of the voting population locked in, there isn't much incentive to deliver any 'negative' news . . . just harp on about how bad the opposition is instead of talking about what NEEDS to be done to move the country forward instead of going on about women's reproductive systems, gay rights etc etc etc

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    More idiocy from the chief bonehead on Bullshit Mountain.

    Fox Reports That Undocumented Individuals With A License Can Now Vote In California

    Steve Doocy: Undocumented Drivers "Have Gotten The Right To Vote" In California. During an August 10 "News By The Numbers" segment on Fox News' Fox & Friends, host Steve Doocy reported on California's program by claiming that "Since the beginning of the year, 443,000 illegals have gotten the right to vote in California." [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 8/10/15]

    California's Program Does Not Make Undocumented Immigrants Eligible To Vote


    LA Times: Licenses Issued To Undocumented Drivers "Do Not Entitle Them To Vote." In a July 20 article, the Los Angeles Times explained that licenses granted to undocumented immigrants under a new program in the state are "specially marked licenses, which do not entitle them to vote or board airplanes." The article notes that the law was implemented "to provide licenses to immigrants so they could legally drive to work and school and to improve traffic safety by requiring them to pass the driver's license test and get insurance." [Los Angeles Times, 7/20/15]

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    Fox News has turned into some kind of weird RINO site. Going for the left-wing whack-job viewers now.

    Heh...no wonder Hairy is always quoting them..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Fox News has turned into some kind of weird RINO site. Going for the left-wing whack-job viewers now.

    Heh...no wonder Hairy is always quoting them..
    Don't be so stupid Booners, it's a Roger Ailes teabag mouthpiece churning out the same shit you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat
    now there is Bernie Sanders
    Since he's been off my radar, I'll start paying attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjblaney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat
    now there is Bernie Sanders
    Since he's been off my radar, I'll start paying attention.
    It seems he's the only politician who actually addresses the base of the party they are meant to represent - the Democrats were the equivalent of the Labor party, or in better terms, the party that represents the working class.

    I doubt he'll get the Dem nomination, but there could be an interesting scenario where both Sanders and Trump run as independents and split the parties up quite nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat
    I doubt he'll get the Dem nomination,
    I read he's ahead of Hilary in the polls for the NH primary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjblaney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat
    I doubt he'll get the Dem nomination,
    I read he's ahead of Hilary in the polls for the NH primary.
    It's his neighbouring state . . . Vermont/New Hampshire . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat
    It's his neighbouring state . . . Vermont/New Hampshire . . .
    Where are the youngsters in this election? Trump is surging on the GOP side and Hilary vs Sanders???

    And this is following 8 years of Bush and 8 more of Obama.

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    Mr. Smith might want to be more careful when he pretty much calls out the network he’s working for.

    Research has shown that Fox News is a major driving force behind climate denial, decreasing viewer trust in scientists and the existence of global warming. In 2013, only 28% of Fox News’ climate science segments were accurate, although that was an improvement over its 7% accuracy in 2012.

    Fox News anchor Shepard Smith has been one of the few voices on the network willing to accept the scientific reality of human-caused climate change. On the August 10 edition of Fox News’ Shepard Smith Reporting, Smith reported on biased industry-funded science by Coca Cola, and made the connection to fossil fuel-funded climate denial studies.

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    ^ I've thought he's one of the more watchable anchors.

    I wonder who produces his reports, though. Does he actually control that aspect of the show?

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    ^^ Thanks for the piece, SL.

    Yes, ^ I have always liked Shepard Smith.

    Additional info on the Fox climate denial:


    Fox News anchor Shepard Smith has been one of the few voices on the network willing to accept the scientific reality of human-caused climate change. On the August 10 edition of Fox News’ Shepard Smith Reporting, Smith reported on biased industry-funded science by Coca Cola, and made the connection to fossil fuel-funded climate denial studies.

    Shepard Smith:
    Well this reminds me of two things. The article in the New York Times this weekend pointed out, it reminds you of exactly what the tobacco industry did back in the day, and more recently it also reminds you of what the climate deniers, the climate change deniers are doing as well.

    Link and more details on climate denial: Fox News' Inner Struggle With Climate Misinformation | Alternet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Heart
    Shepard Smith: Well this reminds me of two things. The article in the New York Times this weekend pointed out, it reminds you of exactly what the tobacco industry did back in the day, and more recently it also reminds you of what the climate deniers, the climate change deniers are doing as well.
    The article you mentioned gets interesting right after the quote above:
    In fact, just 2 days later, the Fox Business News show Varney & Co. used that strategy in an interview with Roy Spencer. Spencer is one of the fewer than 3 percent of climate scientists whose research rejects or minimizes the human contribution to global warming, and who infamously made comments about “global warming Nazis.”...

    Instead it [the interview] shifted to science denial, with Spencer repeating the false claim of no global warming over the past 18 years. In reality, during that time the oceans, surface, and even the lower atmosphere have continued to warm. Unexpectedly, host Stuart Varney pushed back against this global warming denial, pointing out that 14 of the last 15 years have been the hottest on record, and Spencer was forced to admit that the planet has continued to warm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjblaney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat
    It's his neighbouring state . . . Vermont/New Hampshire . . .
    Where are the youngsters in this election? Trump is surging on the GOP side and Hilary vs Sanders???

    And this is following 8 years of Bush and 8 more of Obama.
    The primaries do not start until Feb 1.

    What is happening now, poll wise, is meaningless.

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    What Dick Cheney Has Learned From History

    The former vice president has proposed an alternative to Obama’s Iran deal. It sounds an awful lot like war.

    Something revealing happened over the weekend on Fox News Sunday. Dick Cheney had stopped by to bash President Barack Obama’s nuclear deal and promote his new book (co-authored with his daughter Liz). But moderator Chris Wallace, to his credit, wanted to ask Cheney about his own failings on Iran. On the Bush administration’s watch, Wallace noted, Iran’s centrifuges for enriching uranium “went from zero to 5,000.” Cheney protested, declaring that, “That happened on Obama’s watch and not on our watch.” But Wallace held his ground. “No, no, no,” he insisted. “By 2009, they were at 5,000.” Cheney paused for an instant, muttered, “right,” and went back to his talking points.

    The exchange illustrated why the former vice president is such an effective purveyor of untruths. Even when caught in a falsehood, he displays no discomfort. Unlike Rick Perry, he never ever says “oops.”

    Cheney has needed that sangfroid in recent days, because his falsehoods keep piling up. On Fox, he said that in the nuclear negotiations, the Iranians “got everything they asked for.” Really? In a June 24 tweet, Iran’s supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, declared “we do not accept 10, 12 years long-term restrictions.” But under the deal signed a few weeks later, the Iranians accepted restrictions on their uranium enrichment and their plutonium reprocessing that last 15 years. They accepted international inspections of their uranium mines and mills for 25 years. And they agreed to implement the Additional Protocol of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which gives inspectors the right to see undeclared nuclear sites in perpetuity. Khamenei also demanded “immediate removal of economic, financial and banking sanctions,” adding that, “We do not agree with IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency] verification as precondition for the other side to implement its commitments.” But under the agreement, U.S. and European economic, financial, and banking sanctions imposed against Iran’s nuclear program are not immediately removed. They will remain until, you guessed it, “IAEA verification” that Iran has curbed its nuclear program.

    On Fox, Cheney also said Obama had paid “cash to the Iranians just to get them to come to the table.” That’s false too. It’s true that in the interim nuclear framework signed in November 2013, the United States and its allies agreed to release $700 million per month in frozen Iranian funds. But what they got in exchange wasn’t merely Iran’s agreement to “come to the table.” They got Iran to pledge not to enrich uranium beyond 5 percent (a bomb requires 90 percent), not to install any new centrifuges, and to allow daily IAEA access to the key nuclear sites of Natanz and Fordow. Cheney claimed the Obama administration gave away something for nothing. In fact, what the U.S. got in return for releasing some frozen funds was a halt to Iran’s nuclear program so effective that even Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called for extending the interim deal.

    There’s more. In a speech on Tuesday at the American Enterprise Institute, Cheney claimed that the “Obama Iran agreement lifts sanctions on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, the IRGC-Quds Force, and the Quds Force Commander Qasem Soleimani.” That’s misleading too. Yes, under the agreement, UN sanctions on Soleimani will expire in eight years. But not American sanctions. The U.S. sanctioned Soleimani and the Quds Force in 2007 for both nuclear proliferation and terrorism. And it sanctioned Soleimani again in 2011 for his alleged role in the attempted assassination of the Saudi ambassador in the U.S. Those sanctions remain, as do all U.S. sanctions against Iran for terrorism and human rights.

    Cheney was vice president for eight years in an administration that watched the Iranian nuclear program progress and never took military action against Iran.

    Finally, at AEI, Cheney said “President Obama went on Israeli TV and effectively ruled out the option of force” against Iran. Actually, Obama has said military force remains an option to stop Tehran’s nuclear program again and again and again and again. As recently as August 21, Obama wrote in a letter to Congressman Jerry Nadler that “Should Iran seek to dash toward a nuclear weapon, all of the options available to the United States—including the military option—will remain available through the life of the deal and beyond.”

    Cheney’s reference was to an interview with Israeli TV in which Obama said, “A military solution will not fix it. Even if the United States participates, it would temporarily slow down an Iranian nuclear program but it will not eliminate it.” But in that interview, Obama wasn’t ruling out military force. He was merely acknowledging what even advocates of military force admit: that the Iranians can rebuild their program after a strike. Claiming that Obama “effectively ruled out the option of military force” is not only dishonest. It’s also ironic—because Cheney was vice president for eight years in an administration that watched the Iranian nuclear program progress and never took military action against Iran.


    One gets the feeling, however, that Cheney regrets that. Near the end of his AEI speech, the former vice president turned to his proposed alternative to Obama’s accord with Iran. Most critics of the nuclear deal argue that the United States can reject the current agreement, stiffen sanctions, force its allies to maintain theirs, and thus force the Iranians into a better deal. Cheney, however, said nothing about toughening sanctions. His substitute plan for preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons consisted of only one thing: military force.

    “[T]here are lessons from the past on which we can draw,” Cheney declared. He then cited Israel’s 1981 attack on Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor; the Gulf War, in which the U.S. destroyed Saddam Hussein’s nuclear program; the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which Cheney said convinced Libya to abandon its nuclear program; and Israel’s 2007 attack on a nuclear reactor in Syria. “In each of these cases,” Cheney argued, “it was either military action or the credible threat of military action that persuaded these rogue regimes to abandon their weapons programs. Iran will not be convinced to abandon its program peacefully unless it knows it will face military action if it refuses to do so.”

    Only Dick Cheney could interpret the last decade or two of U.S. foreign policy as a testament to the efficacy and morality of war.

    The closer you look, the more revealing Cheney’s litany is. Obama has been vilified for suggesting that opponents of the nuclear deal are putting the United States on the road to war. But at the end of his AEI speech, Cheney all but proposes war. Sure, he says America just needs the “credible threat of military action.” But he offers no suggestions for how Obama could make that threat credible without actually going to war. Nor does he explain why his own administration’s military threats against Iran weren’t credible during its eight years in office.

    In fact, Cheney doesn’t cite historical examples of America or Israel threatening military action. He cites historical examples of America or Israel taking military action. Even Muammar al-Qaddafi, the one leader Cheney cites as having abandoned his nuclear program without being attacked, didn’t give up his program because the U.S. threatened war against Libya. Qaddafi gave it up, according to Cheney himself, because the United States waged war against Iraq. Cheney says he’s drawing on the lessons of history for his alternative to the Iran nuclear deal. But the only lesson he’s drawing is that war works.
    “The Master said, At fifty, I knew what were the biddings of Heaven. At sixty, I heard them with docile ear. At seventy, I could follow the dictates of my own heart; for what I desired no longer overstepped the boundaries of right.”

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    You couldn't find more damning evidence that the Faux News channel is staffed by blithering idiots.



    Fox News terrorism analyst arrested after falsely claiming to be a CIA agent

    A terrorism analyst regularly granted airtime on Fox News since 2002 has been fired after being exposed as a fraud by a grand jury which indicted him on charges of falsely claiming to be a CIA agent.

    Wayne Simmons described himself erroneously as an ‘Outside Paramilitary Special Operations Officer’ for the CIA during stints on the show, a title which it is further alleged he used in an attempt to obtain government security clearances under false pretences.

    Despite the fictitious nature of this background Simmons was successful in obtaining work as a government defense contractor and at one stage was even deployed overseas as an intelligence adviser to senior military officers.

    Now that his lies have caught up with him Simmons faces charges of defrauding the United States government and making false statements and is also in the dock for conning a victim out of $125k in a fake real-estate investment.

    A Fox News spokeswoman stressed that Simmons had never been paid for his appearances on the show.
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    Fair and Balanced - FACT

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    The take, past and present, from Bullshit Mountain.

    Ebola, Syrian Refugees, And Fox News' Annual Hysteria Over Dark, Invading Forces | Blog | Media Matters for America

    The bile is coming in over the transom so quickly it's getting hard to keep up, as the conservative media signal their latest xenophobic and Islamophobic outburst, this time targeting refugees fleeing war-torn Syria.

    Not interested in having a serious debate about how or when to accept mostly Muslim refugees in the wake of the Paris terrorist massacre, Fox News is sponsoring a far-right hate brigade that not only targets refugees, but President Obama, too.

    It's a bigoted bank shot for conservative commentators: Accuse Obama of coddling would-be terrorists (including widows and orphans) who are viewed as encroaching on our borders. Or so goes the battle cry, which accuses the president of abdicating America's national security -- and allegedly doing so on purpose.

    *Fox's Jesse Watters: Obama is inviting in "the barbarians at the gate."

    *Fox's Andrea Tantaros: "Everything that the president is doing seems to benefit what ISIS is doing."

    *Ben Stein: Obama's "hatred of America" may be "because he's part black." "He does not wish America well."

    In other words, there's a dark, invading force that Obama won't stop. In fact, he seems intent on welcoming it across the border so it can wreak havoc here at home.

    Sound familiar?

    Indeed, watching the Fox meltdown over refugees you might think, 'This is unique brand of rhetorical manure.' I mean, Obama putting Muslim refugees above the safety of Americans? Opting for a "forced infiltration"? But if you hit the rewind button to October and November 2014, then you remember, 'Oh yeah, they did pretty much the exact same thing twelve months ago with their full-scale meltdown over a domestic Ebola outbreak that never happened.'

    Is this now becoming an annual autumn tradition? Some Fox talkers are even connecting the refugee/Ebola dots, although they fail to see it as problematic. "He's imported illegal aliens," said Watters of Obama. "Remember he brought all of the Ebola victims into this country?"

    Remember Ebola, indeed.

    In terms of sheer fearmongering, Fox News led the wild, right-wing pack. There was Elisabeth Hasselbeck suggesting America be put on lockdown, and her Fox & Friends co-host Steve Doocy absurdly claiming the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention was lying about Ebola because it's "part of the administration." (Naturally, Fox also promoted a conspiracy theorist who claimed the CDC was lying when it cautioned people not to panic.)

    Andrea Tantaros fretted that people who traveled and showed symptoms of Ebola will "seek treatment from a witch doctor" instead of going to the hospital, while Rush Limbaugh implied Obama wanted Ebola to spread in America.

    That last point is key to understanding the levels to which Fox talkers and their allies sink in their Obama Derangement Syndrome, both in 2014 and in 2015: The Obama administration didn't supposedly bungle the Ebola scare because it was incompetent. It bungled Ebola because Obama wanted Americans infected.

    *Laura Ingraham: Obama's willing to expose the U.S. military to "the Ebola virus to carry out this redistribution of the privileged's wealth."

    *Michael Savage: Obama "wants to infect the nation with Ebola" in order "to make things fair and equitable" in the world.

    *Fox's Keith Ablow: Obama won't protect America from Ebola because his "affinities, his affiliations are with" Africa and "not us ... He's their leader." Ablow added, "We don't have a president who has the American people as his primary interest."

    It's just ugly, rancid stuff; the kind of hate speech that has rarely passed for 'mainstream' conservative rhetoric in modern American politics. (For the record, the Obama administration was "vindicated" for the way it handled the Ebola scare, NBC News recently noted.)

    Twelve months later we're witnessing the same kind of toxic sewage (what else should we call it?), as Fox leads the campaign to condemn the president of the United States a terrorist-sympathizer who can't be trusted to deal with Syrian refugees.

    It's important to note that during the media's Ebola scare last year, lots of mainstream press outlets produced egregiously bad reporting that not only failed to illuminate the public, but it played into the fear the GOP was trying to whip up during the midterm election season. (Sen. Rand Paul: Ebola is "incredibly contagious.")

    "Here's What Should Scare You About Ebola" read one overexcited New Republic headline, while CNN's Ashleigh Banfield speculated that "All ISIS would need to do is send a few of its suicide killers into an Ebola-affected zone and then get them on some mass transit, somewhere where they would need to be to affect the most damage."

    To date, we haven't seen the press regularly duplicate that kind of recklessness with the refugee story, although there have been some notable stumbles.

    Let's hope the press resists Fox News' siren call for more bigotry.

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    Andrea Tantaros sues Fox News, calling it a ‘sex-fueled, Playboy Mansion-like cult’

    Tantaros said it was routine practice for Ailes to call women, including her, into his office and ask them to turn around “so I can get a good look at you.” She said that he asked her whether she planned to marry and have children and said that he had made off-color jokes about his own marriage on several occasions. At one point, she said, he speculated about what she would look like in a bikini and asked her about the sexuality of “Five” co-hosts Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld.


    ...The complaint also said that Fox host Bill O’Reilly had made unwelcome advances toward her.

    “Ailes did not act alone,” the lawsuit said. “He may have been the primary culprit, but his actions were condoned by his most senior lieutenants, who engaged in a concerted effort to silence Tantaros by threats, humiliation and retaliation.”...



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...9a6_story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Fair and Balanced - FACT
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    Fair and balanced?

    You obviously have never sat and watched any of them for an hour.

    Try and and then come back and try and say that with a straight face.

    The only show that's close is "Red Eye" and that's on so late all the angry old Fox Pensioners are long tucked up in their beds.

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    ^Err, Harry, that post by PH is almost a year old and I think he was being sarcastic.

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