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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Chitown if you actually believe anything that Faux News has to say, you are really no better than the other lunatics like DriventoWank and BG,
    I think they are attacked for no reason. they have their place in news coverage just like CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the news networks. I am a bit of news junkie and have seen a majority of the press pussy foot around when asking politicians questions. Fox does not and that is what I like. The have a go at the person and 100% out them when they dance around a question.

    I certainly would rather listen to Bill Oreilly than that crazy. mealy mouthed Christiane Amanpour. I detest Glenn Beck and Rush, but life Wolf Blitzer. I happen to read, listen and watch all sides - all news networks, websites and news outlets. It is called having an open mind? I have one, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    fox is many things, but a legitimate news organization is not one of them.
    I am sure they will be devastated on how you have rated them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    I think they are attacked for no reason.
    of course you do. it is not the least bit surprising that you would 1) view this as an attack on fox and not a defensive maneuver by the white house, and 2. think there is no reason for this defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    I certainly would rather listen to Bill Oreilly than that crazy. mealy mouthed Christiane Amanpour.
    of course you would.

    rupert murdoch has a business model that he has used for years, and you fit right into his target market.....he buys or starts a 'news' organziation and positions it decidedly to the right, and then he takes it downmarket. in other words, a dumbed-down version of the 'news' for middle aged white guys who feel disenfranchised.

    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    I happen to read
    so you've mentioned....5-6 books a week, right?

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    Fox is a new phenomenon really, at least in visual media. Individual commentators can be 'liberal' or 'conservative' on any news channel, but with Fox you have a whole infotainment cable channel aligned towards one agenda, being to resist Obamas Democrat agendas. It's prominent talking heads are all Republican Right, with no exceptions.

    If this catches on, you would then have other channels following suit- so, perhaps MCNBC would align itself with a Progressive agenda, CNN with a centrist Democrat agenda. And there goes any concept of news, at least cable news, being 'fair and balanced'. You would switch onto a news channel according to your existing political leanings. So I certainly hope it doesn't catch on.



    Murdoch is only repeating a highly succesful strategy he has done several times before, most notably in the British newspaper industry, so it bears repeating here. In 1969, Rupert Murdoch acquired a loss making, low circulation newspaper in the UK, called The Sun. The seller was the Mirror Group- who's flagship newspaper, the Daily Mirror, was at that time the highest selling newspaper in the world. It proved to be a fatal decision for them.

    Murdochs strategy became clear overnight- to turn the Sun into a populist tabloid aimed squarely at the 'working man'- his main competitor in that market being the Mirror, ironically. The Mirror was (Was) a good newspaper, featuring many respected journalists- it had a clear pro labour slant but was balanced, and championed several social agendas, as well as being surprisingly strong in international affairs and analysis. It had a genuine commitment to quality journalism, journalistic integrity and independence, and saw it's role as that of informing it's readership.

    Murdoch had no such commitment to journalism or journalists, indeed little or no respect for his readership beyond getting them to buy his newspapers. His commitment was, and is, to profit and predatory capitalism. Enter the "Page Three Girl'- featuring a topless bird in every edition of the Sun. It is probably the most successful new initiative ever in the history of newspapers- if the $$$ is your measure. It sold, big time. Who can forget Samantha Fox and her huge noms. Enter the salacious, attention grabbing headline- who can forget "GOTCHA!", the tasteful headline when the General Belgrano was sunk with the loss of 323 young lives. The gloating commentary failed to even mention the fact that the vessel was outside of the 'Exclusion zone' and heading towards Argentina. The strategy was clear- to get the newspaper to jump out at you from the newstand. It was highly successful. Enter the titillating, salacious scandal rag- lurid,sensationalist coverage of crimes, racial issues, and celebrity gossip. And it sold, big time.

    Basically, Murdoch changed the reading habits of a nation- and not for the better. Now, yer man would buy his daily Sun, glance at the daily headline- then straight to Page Three, to check out the daily tits. (The Page Three girl was a national institution in those days, it launched several successful careers for bold, well endowed femmes.) Then, strait to the back pages, to check out the sport. Of course, the Dirty Digger, as he was already known, was minting it. And sales of the Mirror and other tabloids were plummeting. But that was not enough for the Digger- he wanted to drive his irksome competitors out of business, or at least cripple them. His papers, you see, were delivered to the public at lower cost. There was no need for 'respected'' (ie highly paid) journalists anymore, no need for expensive overseas journalistic assignments (much cheaper to buy all foreign coverage off Reuters, foreign coverage and analysis is wasted on the hoi polloi anyway. Give 'em Tits.). And, after the bitter and protracted 'Fortress Wapping' dispute, the print and journalist unions were smashed- and technology drove down further the price of the whole editorial and printing process. Enter the 'Price wars'- with his lower cost of delivery and lucrative advertising revenue (based on higher readership) Murdoch slashed the cover price of his Sun, and/or offered 'free giveaways'.

    And thus, the British 'Tabloid' newspaper industry was decimated. The only way to stay in business now was to copy The Sun. The Daily Mirror- once the worlds largest selling newspaper, now losing money hand over fist- was sold. To the 'Bouncing Czech', Robert Maxwell - and another tragic episode begins, he ransacked the pension fund. The Mirror is a shadow of it's former self now and in continous decline, it's circulation even overtaken by the once humble Daily Mail- another rag that follows the Murdoch formula. It is now owned by a regional newspaper company but struggles on- future uncertain.

    I suppose, to many, this is ancient history and of dubious relevance- "who reads papers now anyway, we get our 'news' off the TV". But it was the The Sun that provided the cash flow for Murdochs major international expansion, most significantly into the US market, most topically into Fox. For all of the damage he has wrought to the once proud Journalism profession, the Dirty digger is indeed a smart businessman, and he saw the future- electronic media, cable TV challenging the established networks. So he expanded into that aggressively, but his formula remains the same.

    Target and stoke disillusionment, paranoia (especially racial), preconceived prejudices, serve it all up with salacity, scandal, sensationalism. Take the low road- it's cheaper and it sells. Most people don't really want to be challenged, or presented with opposing viewpoints- they want to hear what they want to hear served up to them on a platter, soundbites to be repeated- rather than balance and analysis. It is sad but true, every single publication- and there are many- that Murdoch has taken over has gone downhill- you can see it happening with the once august Wall Street Journal as we speak, with it's highly partisan 'Editorials' on health care reform. Murdoch is more than a media tycoon now, he is an influence peddler- a one man lobby industry. Politicians literally grovel for his favour, and he is considered one of the most powerful men in the world.

    The joke is on the Great Unwashed, the public. Most intellectuals saw the coming of the 'information age' as a boon for quality media and reporting- and how wrong they were. But the Dirty Digger saw the Future. Thus ends todays sermon.
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    ^Great post sabang. Here: OUTFOXED: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism is a link to a documentary that touches on a lot of the points that you've raised (I think it's avaliable via torrents as well, I watched it ages ago).

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    here's an example of fox distorting reality from earlier this year....

    Fox News’s Martha MacCallum introduced a segment highlighting Council of Economic Advisers Chairman Christina Romer’s claim yesterday that the “fundamentals of the economy are sound.” “After weeks of economic doom and gloom, the Obama administration is now singing a slightly different tune,” MacCallum said.
    She then played clips of Romer and other administration officials making seemingly positive comments about the current state of the economy. One of the clips was of Vice President Biden saying, “The fundamentals of the economy are strong!”
    but, that soundbite was taken from the presidential campaign of last year...and it was taken completely out of context. here's what biden actually said,

    Ladies and gentlemen, I believe that’s why John McCain could say with a straight face as recently as this morning and this is a quote, “the fundamentals of the economy are strong.” That’s what John said. He says that “We’ve made great progress economically in the Bush years.”
    so fox attempts to show biden as 'out of touch' by stating that the economy is strong, when he was actually repeating something that mccain had said....six month previous.

    fox: fair and balanced?


    Fox News Edits Clip To Suggest That Biden Recently Declared ‘Fundamentals Of The Economy Are Strong’

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    I happen to read
    so you've mentioned....5-6 books a week, right?
    Yes I do as I have plenty of time to read, watch a dvd, go to a movie or travel when I want. You see I am master of my own fate little man. I am not a slave to a head master of some sham of a school or even a servant of a real employer that has an international company. This "disenfranchised" middle aged white guy was able to retire young and does not have to work any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitown View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    I happen to read
    so you've mentioned....5-6 books a week, right?
    Yes I do as I have plenty of time to read, watch a dvd, go to a movie or travel when I want. You see I am master of my own fate little man. I am not a slave to a head master of some sham of a school or even a servant of a real employer that has an international company. This "disenfranchised" middle aged white guy was able to retire young and does not have to work any more.


    How much did you inherit ?

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    Not a dime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    This "disenfranchised" middle aged white guy was able to retire young and does not have to work any more
    Me too, so watch what you say big boy.
    Big Brother is watching you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    My point is that Fox news is clearly an agenda-driven and partisan organisation.
    Right, just like MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN...the little bambam bum lickers. This smear campaign against Fox is so blatantly obvious and so demeaning to the Office of the President it is shameful. Let's watch Jay again! 555


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    ^

    I do like Leno, and I'll green yer if I can.
    Needless to say though, the way it is entitled is strait out of Faux methodology.

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    Just because you don't like the type of journalism, it is not a good enough reason to "outlaw it" or use any other means than the power of words to combat it, all advertisement financed news channels are compromised one way or the other, and even though some might try to convince us otherwise, newspapers and private owned Tv news-channels have always been political biased to one side or other.

    And in my country at-least there have since the happy 1960's been a majority of left wing biased journalists, starting already at university being young and rebellious and anti establishment, and that carries through so you have almost a closed club, and if you have the right "left wing bias" you have a much better chance to get your foot indoors since hiring and firing is done by other Journalist who have advanced to management positions.

    Chances are that it is much the same in the US and that the Dem's already are getting more than a fair share of friendly news coverage.

    No matter what FOX is there and the Dems should try to deal with it like adults on the news playing field, rather than spoilt children crying because they don't get their way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    Just because you don't like the type of journalism, it is not a good enough reason to "outlaw it" or use any other means than the power of words to combat it
    what are you on about? no one is trying to outlaw it.

    the only means of 'power' being used is that of words.

    the white house is publicly debunking the myth that fox is a legitmate news organization.

    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    No matter what FOX is there and the Dems should try to deal with it like adults on the news playing field, rather than spoilt children crying because they don't get their way.
    besides fox employees, the only people i see crying like spoiled children are the rabid right wingers here on TD. reading jet's recent posts is akin to listening to a dog who has had its tail caught in a doorjamb...."yelp! yelp! yelp!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghandi View Post
    The Obama administration seems to be taking some sort of legal measures against Fox News regarding their continued and endless negative tirades directed to the whole democratic party.

    Fox needs to be put in check.
    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    Just because you don't like the type of journalism, it is not a good enough reason to "outlaw it" or use any other means than the power of words to combat it
    what are you on about? no one is trying to outlaw it.

    the only means of 'power' being used is that of words.

    the white house is publicly debunking the myth that fox is a legitmate news organization.

    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    No matter what FOX is there and the Dems should try to deal with it like adults on the news playing field, rather than spoilt children crying because they don't get their way.
    besides fox employees, the only people i see crying like spoiled children are the rabid right wingers here on TD. reading jet's recent posts is akin to listening to a dog who has had its tail caught in a doorjamb...."yelp! yelp! yelp!"
    You did notice the "....." did you Ray, slander/libel legal action, if that is what they are trying to do?, is using other means than just a war on word's, refusing to appear on FOX and maybe directing other top Dem's to do the same thus shutting out FOX and it's viewers, is not just a war on words!! it is akin to censorship, a holder of Public Office is duty bound to answer not only to his followers and friends, but also his political enemy's/critiques.

    Obamas administration trying to classify FOX as "not a news organisation" and thus legitimise that they don't get the same service as other news networks is plain wrong, it is not up to the White House to decide what is a News organisation or not, that would be up to the public Ray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    I certainly would rather listen to Bill Oreilly than that crazy. mealy mouthed Christiane Amanpour
    you are comparing Apple and Oranges, a fraud with a respected reporter (Amanpour)

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    Faux News is not about journalism, it's about Entertainment. It's a dangerous organization because it targets a number of retards like Chi, Jet, DW, BG etc... and empower them with some kind of informative news agenda while in fact they are being fed propaganda which they can't see through as they lack the level of education needed to tackle such propaganda.

    Basically anyone who watch Faux News and take that entertainment crap for more than it is, deserve to be marginalized in society. In fact, they are as the level of news is fitted to their level of comprehension if you get my drift. Basically Faux News is the only news organization they are actually capable of understanding

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    Faux News is not about journalism, it's about Entertainment.
    i don't fully agree.

    while it is at times unintentionally entertaining, i don't think it's about entertainment.

    IMO it's about pushing a rabidly partisan agenda under the guise of a legitimate news organization.

    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    empower them with some kind of informative news agenda while in fact they are being fed propaganda which they can't see through as they lack the level of education needed to tackle such propaganda.
    yes, the fox propaganda feeds their paranoia and their sense of being disinfranchised.

    if it's not the immigrants, it's the muslims, if it's not the muslims, it's the gays, if it's not the gays, it's the blacks.

    they want to live in a homogeneous america (or canada ) that hasn't existed in over 50 years (if it existed at all), and they can't come to terms with the fact that society has left them and their antiquated ideas behind.

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    LOL, look at this poll:

    Why is the White House Still Attacking Fox News? - FOXNews.com

    How is that going to produce a result that isn't skewed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    I certainly would rather listen to Bill Oreilly than that crazy. mealy mouthed Christiane Amanpour
    you are comparing Apple and Oranges, a fraud with a respected reporter (Amanpour)

    She is a horrible reporter.

    How about Brit Hume?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    fox is many things, but a legitimate news organization is not one of them.
    Completely wrong but what's new?
    Bri Hume et. al. are such superior journalists - RA, again, you don't have a clue...

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    Brit Hume is an anchor talking head. Amanpour is a reporter, a journalist, who does in depth reports. Apples and oranges is the correct analogy.

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    Brit Hume is depressing, he is so f*cking lugubrious.





    /also, he looks like his face is melting off

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    Why is a guy called Brit anyway- were his parents androgynous?

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    The White House will lose its war against Fox News
    The White House’s extraordinary assault on the Fox News Channel will end in tears – and not for Rupert Murdoch, Fox’s owner. The Obama administration has embarked on a high-risk strategy of shooting the messenger, in effect blaming its plummeting poll ratings on alleged political bias at the number one 24-hour cable news network. As Anita Dunn, the Mao-quoting White House communications director put it in an interview with The New York Times:
    “We’re going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent. As they are undertaking a war against Barack Obama and the White House, we don’t need to pretend that this is the way that legitimate news organizations behave.”
    As Dunn’s statement illustrates, this is an overtly political campaign – and one that is doomed to failure, as it will ensure that even more Americans end up tuning in to Fox shows. The United States is a nation built around the principles of free speech, limited government, and free enterprise, and it is highly unusual for a US administration to launch an authoritarian vendetta against an individual news station. It smacks of mean-spiritedness as well as desperation, and is an approach that is already backfiring, with Fox’s ratings receiving an added boost from the huge publicity.
    Fox News is succeeding in America precisely because it is not afraid to challenge the status quo, and to take on the power of big government. It is unique in broadcast media in going against the grain of the dominant liberal networks, NBC, CBS and ABC, by providing an alternative perspective in a nation where conservatives are still the largest ideological group according to Gallup. Television news in America has for decades been dominated by a left-of-centre oligopoly that has not reflected public opinion. That smug arrangement was shattered when Fox opened for business in the mid-1990s.
    Fox News has succeeded spectacularly in racing ahead of its rivals in the cable news market, notably CNN and MSNBC. Its evening shows – such as the O’Reilly Factor, Glenn Beck and Hannity – pull in several million viewers compared to just hundreds of thousands on Fox’s competitors. Fox offers a highly opinionated, fast-paced and entertaining brand of political debate that includes all sides of the political aisle. The top hosts may be largely conservative (though not necessarily Republican), but the guests frequently are not, creating an adversarial and combative arena that until recently was a rarity in American news coverage.
    Fox also benefits from an extraordinary level of professional management that sets the gold standard for cable news organizations. It is a remarkably well-run operation that also projects the American dream, with its proud emphasis on entrepreneurialism, patriotism, and a strong sense of national identity. Fox is unashamedly pro-American, a breath of fresh air in an age when US foreign policy is increasingly weak, muddled and confused.
    The success of Fox News is not driven by any political agenda, as its Administration critics claim. It is simply doing its job as a news organization by questioning the positions and policies of the elected government and officials of the United States, whoever is in the White House. That is the proper role of the media in a free society, and any attempt by the government to muzzle Fox is a threat to the freedom of all American news outlets, including liberal juggernauts such as The New York Times, NBC and CNN.
    The White House will lose its war against Fox News – Telegraph Blogs

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