Thread: Quagmire....

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Originally Posted by Storekeeper

It is said that Iraq is a mess - a morass of destruction and violence. Curiously enough, for a mess it sure has some oddities: Like Iraqi soldiers being trained by American troops; like new, state of the art communications centers being built; like the opening of a new woman's center in the Assyrian area of Iraq; like Iraqi and American soldiers hunting terrorists together; like the Mosul police defeating a terrorist attack; like Iraqi citizens turning in terrorists...you know, all the news that isn't fit to print because it doesn't agree with the MSM/DNC/American left story line about Iraq.

Take off the rose-colored glasses, this spewing of false hopes is getting annoying.

Don't forget Iraqi army officers collecting money for soliders that never report to work. Don't forget Iraqi police being killed while on duty or standing in line to sign up for work.

Bombings, shootings kill 33 across Iraq - Yahoo! News

In other violence Wednesday, gunmen on two motorcycles assassinated Col. Qassim Abdel-Qadir, administrative head of an Iraqi army division in the southern city of Basra, said a police official who did not want to be named for security reasons.

U.S. Army helicopter goes down in Iraq - Yahoo! News

Abizaid was being generous. Iraq isn't headed for civil war; it's in the initial stages of that war. Rather than focusing on fighting American troops, the Sunni and Shiite insurgents now are focused on killing each other; power over all of Iraq is the prize they seek. That's why Abizaid recently ordered 3,700 troops from Mosul to Baghdad: The Sunni-Shiite violence in the capital city had gotten out of control, and Iraqi forces were incapable of dealing with it.

Editorial: Is it time to end U.S. Iraq adventure?

The targets were one of Baghdad's main taxi and bus stations busy with people travelling out of the city, and Iraqi police officers stationed nearby. Nine people, all civilians, died. Eight people were wounded.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | No let-up in violence for Baghdad

U.S. officials seize on a recent decline in attacks as a victory for military strategy, attributing it to the greatly increased visibility of Iraqi soldiers along the road. My contacts in the insurgency offer an alternative, equally plausible explanation: there are simply fewer U.S. patrols and convoys on the road than before, fewer targets to attack.

CNN.com - Baghdad diary: life in hell - Aug 6, 2006

These are tense days in Baghdad, full of anticipation and fear, marked with the faces of men drawing burial wraps around their heads in preparation for an unspecified death. The sense of conflict is pervasive and entrenched, and it is coupled with widespread feelings of bitterness and frustration at the Iraqi government's inability to establish security.

Iraq: Militias Flex Their Muscles - Newsweek The War in Iraq - MSNBC.com

It is apparent, too, that security policy seems to be moving in a direction opposite to that suggested by President Jalal Talabani. In the months after the new government was installed earlier this year, it joined the Americans in concentrating forces in Baghdad to try to tamp down the violence. That effort has failed.

Now, President Bush has announced that even more American forces will be concentrated in the capital. Though we hope that effort to stop the violence succeeds, we see no reason for confidence that it will.

The apparent need to bring even more American troops to bear in the capital does not suggest that Iraqi forces taking on the security job themselves. In fact, it suggests otherwise.

Salt Lake Tribune - Wishful thinking: There is no military solution to chaos in Iraq

TOP AMERICAN generals acknowledged this week that Iraq could be slipping into civil war. This realistic appraisal departs from US commanders' previous statements, and it ought to prompt the Bush administration to bring in new policy makers and reassess its thinking on how to end the war.

Guess the Generals are lying?

The generals' worry - The Boston Globe

In the longer term, generals concede that tying up so many U.S. resources in Iraq makes it more difficult for the military to confront extremist terrorism around the globe.

A Reality Check on Iraq - Los Angeles Times

the calamitous war in Iraq is an apt ending to eight years of a flawed and failed presidency.

Clift: Holding Pattern on Iraq - Newsweek Eleanor Clift - MSNBC.com

Pipelines unbuilt. Hospitals half-built. Electric power stations unrepaired. This is how the waning days of America's effort to reconstruct Iraq are turning out. Next month, the last of the $20 billion that the United States is spending on projects there will be committed, and the result is coming up woefully short of the promises and plans made after the invasion of 2003. From now on, it's the Iraqis' problem.

What are the dimensions of the failure? Of the electricity projects that were planned and financed, 30 percent were never even started, according to the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction. Only 38 percent of the oil and gas projects have been completed. The picture with drinking water is better, but 45 percent of that work is nevertheless unfinished.

Broke, and still broken - baltimoresun.com

Originally Posted by Milkman

The fact that you are cut and pasting reinforces the obvious fact that you know very little about what's goin on in Iraq.

If that were truly the case then that post right above you from surasak must have you rolling with laughter, right ? I mean ... sheesh that's a pretty long cut and paste.

Milkdud ... I mean really what is it that qualifies you to admonish my opinions ? You only seem to support one side of the story so how exactly is it that you're displaying your broad view of what's really going on ?

Hand picked books you buy from amazon.com doesn't exactly support your alluded to position that you're well read. Turning "red" as in commie ... is more likely.

More proof that Iraq is actually going well:

TIKRIT - The Iraqi Army took an important step forward Aug. 8 by marking the halfway point for division headquarters to take the lead for security operations throughout the country. The 4th Iraqi Army Division assumed control of their area of responsibility, encompassing regions spanning three of Iraq’s northern provinces, Salah Ad Din, Sulaymaniyah and Kirkuk provinces.

Its area of responsibility includes the cities of Tikrit, Kirkuk, Bayji and Samarra, as well as the major oil and electrical infrastructure in northern Iraq.

The 4th IA Division is the fifth of 10 Iraqi Army divisions to take control over Iraqi units in their assigned regions. In addition, there have been 25 brigades and 85 battalions assuming operational command and control to date.

"Today is a day of dignity for us Iraqis who are loyal to the motherland," said Lt. Gen. Abdul-Aziz Abdel-Rahman al-Mufti, commander of the 4th Iraqi Army Division. "We will not stop or look back," he said.

quick question.....where's osama?

you know, the guy responsible for the deaths of over 3000 americans? wanted 'dead or alive' , etc...

^ SSSHHHHHHH!

Dont ask embarassing questions.

Didn't you hear Bush saying that he aint worried about him that much now??

Originally Posted by raycarey

quick question.....where's osama?

you know, the guy responsible for the deaths of over 3000 americans? wanted 'dead or alive' , etc...

I think he's with Elvis. You might want to ask Jerry Granville.

Is that a serious answer SK??

Are you tryin' to piss me off ?

Jesus no.

Why would I do that??

Just askin that were you serious when you replied??

I always be talkin' serious square biz cuz.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by raycarey

quick question.....where's osama?

you know, the guy responsible for the deaths of over 3000 americans? wanted 'dead or alive' , etc...

I think he's with Elvis. You might want to ask Jerry Granville.

actually it's glanville....and the white house didn't say a former football coach was responsible for the deaths of 3000 americans.

i wonder if the families of those 3000 dead americans would find your 'joke' funny.

Originally Posted by raycarey

i wonder if the families of those 3000 dead americans would find your 'joke' funny.

I don't have to wonder ... I'm confident they wouldn't find your comments humorous at all.

Bush said.............
The evidence we have gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist organizations known as al-Qaida. They are some of the murderers indicted for bombing American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and responsible for bombing the USS Cole.

I think he is talking about Al-Qaeda and who is Al-Qaeda's Leader??

And then he says :

Bush downplayed concern on the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden, saying the accused terrorist mastermind is on the run and "I truly am not that concerned about him."

and I think he is again talking about Al-Qaeda's leader.

What a fokwit leader you have SK.

Maybe he didn't really do it?

Then who did it??

Now dont tell me it was Saddam cos I think Iam gonna go crazy if thats gonna be the answer.

Originally Posted by Mhz

Then who did it??

Comrades, do you know who is responsible for this? Do you know the enemy who has come in the night and overthrown our windmill?
SNOWBALL!

What if America and Britain had spec ops in Iraq to create instability? You know, a few soldiers dressed like Sunnis or Shi'ites driving around in cars with bombs to set them off making it look like 'the other side' caused the carnage? After all, if Iraq were stable then we wouldn't need troops there any longer. Is it better or worse for those in power to keep troops stationed overseas? Doesn't it justify more expense if troops have to be kept overseas? Does it benefit the MILIND complex to keep producing weapons if weapons are being used?

First it was Agent Orange. Then came Gulf War sickness. Now soliders might be getting sick from DU:

Is an armament sickening U.S. soldiers? - Yahoo! News

It's bad enough that the DoD cares so little about the soldiers it sends to senseless wars. It's even worse that the executive branch of the U.S. government sends them there in the first place.

in case you missed it.....

july was the DEADLIEST month in iraq since the invasion.

nearly 110 people per day.

here's hoping the US can get it under 100 per day in august!

Iraqi Death Toll Rose Above 3,400 in July - New York Times

^^ Yes, there have been some articles on DU:

Exposure to Depleted Uranium.

And as usual, there has been denial and stone-walling.

^ and yes Ray, those are the highest numbers yet, and trying to be objective (if I can), this toll will probably not be getting lower soon.

Iraq is foked it is so badly foked that even if the U.S stays there for another 500 years it wont be stabilised.If the U.S leaves there would be a civil war and some foked up,mass murderer will gain power but thats not it there will be more attacks on American soil as the APE says cos the APE foked a whole country and created generations of hatred.

Shameful:

Bush also urged patience about the rebuilding of New Orleans and other gulf communities ravaged by Hurricane Katrina a year ago. The federal government has committed $110 billion to help. "I also want the people down there to understand that it's going to take awhile to recover," the president said. "This was a huge storm." He suggested the federal government had done its part and state and local officials should move faster.

We're spending more money on a useless war in Iraq than helping our own after last year's disasters.

Bush says Iraq straining nation's psyche - Yahoo! News